“They Want CHAOS In The Streets"– Ron Paul On Empire Collapse, Censorship & The WAR On Liberty

but you're talking about is so little this is a big problem and you think you're going to change things Congressman Paul why don't we just open up the Constitution and read it do you think president Trump and musk are making progress in shrinking the government today I am not expecting the budget deficit to shrink this year nor the next year because there's too many people who have become dependent on it so there'll be an emergency this year believe me has the Enemy of the State changed and evolved from what it was in the 70s ' 80s '90s to who it is today the people that run our universities are not on our side the education of our founding fathers is unbelievable and uh there were no universities to brainwash them if the situation and the scenario happened that you're claiming to get it to the levels that you'd like it to get to it's a massive disruption to the system no the damage has already been done bubbles have to burst you better be prepared because that would probably cause a civil war you don't sound optimistic no I'm the most optimistic person in the world 30 second did you ever think you were made I feel I'm so tast sweet victory I know this life Adam what's your the future looks bright my handshake is better than anything I ever signed right here you are a one of one my son's right I don't think said this before today we have somebody who has developed and he may not even know it I'm sure he does thousands of Disciples of his because of what he's taught over the years and every time he speaks I was just sharing a story uh with uh Dr Ron Paul earlier about what you and I the first time we sat down together in Houston uh and not stuck with me till today it's a it's an honor again to have you on the podcast Dr Ron Paul how you doing sir thank you very much Patrick good to be with you again it's great to have you on here so question with everything that's going on right now with all the policies that we're seeing where you you're seeing you know the deals happening with the Panama Canal and black rock or Doge the the Elon talking about the hundred billion doll in savings or the Tariff Wars between Canada and uh China and us and Mexico with everything that is taking place what are you most excited about and optimistic about and what are you most concerned about oh boy uh you you know the individual issues that you mention are secondary for me to the philosophy that motivates people to do things so if somebody is a socialist or somebody is a Libertarian uh who motivated what have they read who's influenced your ideas so uh I think right now what we're facing basically is the uh late recognition how much trouble we're in and uh of course they're they're once again saying well yeah there's too much govern we have to cut waste Fraud and Abuse well I've heard those terms all the time over the years and uh nothing really really happened but I think this time it's different because it's bigger and there there's a sort of a conclusion of end coming because the bankruptcy and I used to talk about oh well there's a moral bankruptcy and a financial bankrupcy and I would talk mostly Financial because I was more interested in the monetary system and the debt but uh you know lately I I think I have been moved not that I think there's a big difference between it because you can't separate the two but I think the the moral bankrupt is what uh what exists and has existed throughout all the history you know good versus evil and uh and and and the whole thing about natural law versus government law all these things these are the big pictures and where do people fit in on this uh then I try to simplify and say well you know are you an interventionist or not you know and I can talk to you about you know where you want to intervene oh yeah I want to intervene and do this and that well my view is that we as individuals and especially if you're in government you should be a non-interventionist other than to uh deal with people who are aggressive and causing trouble but uh for for telling people how to live what to do how to spend their money how to draft kids and send them around and start wars and without declaration all this stuff there there's a lot of a lot of interventionists and guess who I think it is I think there's just only two parties you have to worry about Republicans and Democrats because they accept these principles but that doesn't mean I can't see the difference and in some place you know they definitely is a better movement they all talk about you know now oh you got to cut the spending cut the spending but I think I think it's coming to a climactic end uh I think 36 trillion dollars or something and then then I hear schemes like oh all we have to do is buy a couple crypto and they're going to go up in value we're going to pay off the national debt well that's just you know grabbing the straws on solving the problem because the problem is you know a moral approach to no to committing oneself to non-aggression I'm not going to use Force but go everything government does is is the use of force and uh and and that has to be designed there will be some Force we have a National Defense and things like this but uh in individuals our problem I think stem from the fact that most people still in spite of all the violence in the street most Americans would say no you shouldn't uh lie cheat steal and kill people you know that's aggression but what do we do when governments do it we totally ignore and participate it and send the money without the uh without even paying any attention to the restraints in the Constitution I'm thinking you know like declaration of war look look at all the war and the killing that's gone on and all the money spent which is all unconstitutional and it's violent the monetary system it's just an act of violence that that is so so corrupt that that's fraud and abuse and and yet that isn't even being discussed today how how terrible that is uh but you know you or I Patrick if we did it that we'd go to jail for that and they still know that if we steal and hurt people that's bad but if you look at it stupidity and Ill advised people and people who who just want more power and money and in in government they cause a lot of harm and if I compare that to uh uh you you know what people think oh all we have to do is get rid of usaid and things will be okay up for getting rid of that believe me but there's a lot more to it I want to see and and discuss the philosophic principles that allow people to justify their involvement in participating in this violence so so how do you feel about what they're doing with Doge now and if you were an adviser at the highest level maybe even leading the charge what else would you go after next I I wouldn't go after I would still want to attack it in a philosophic way today uh see if you if you have a bad program and right now we're starting to see that they'll have to retain some of usaid and it's the principle if you permit something just 10% of what you think is that's the seed and it'll grow if the Congress could has an argument should this budget be a 100 billion or 90 billion and they set for 95 that's not progress that's endorsing a 100% of the principle that they should be involved in either you know some type of social program that's helping the very wealthy the Pharmaceuticals or the or the uh military industrial complex so once you commit to that principle uh you know then then we're in trouble but if you're looking for one item uh I mean I go back to the item that motivated me to get involved in the D details of it and I would think that uh if if you didn't have this privilege of the very few people who are involved to be able to create the the uh the uh the worldwide Reserve currency the dollar and that would be our Federal Reserve I mean that that is H that's how everything is paid for and that is the most immoral thing in the world because it's a debt I mean it's a tax it's it's a tax it's a wicked tax on The Middle middle class and the poor because they print the money devalue the currency and that is attacks attacks on the people and they they try to balance this and we just had a meeting this week with the fed and they talk about technicality oh this and that and that and and none of that is possible they you can't know those things in economics you so I I just get a biggest charge or discuss to with all the talk about what should interest rates be Ron what would you do what would do interest rate well I wouldn't try to you know you know decide because the interest rates is so important it tells you the price of money and whether the activities that the people are participating in are wise decisions or not so it's uh I think it's that big picture that I want to see and uh I would I would still go if you had to one thing it I some people ask me this I'll say well this let change one law the Federal Reserve cannot buy government de and uh because they buy the debt there's there's a guarantee and we're wealthy and all that but I also recognize that if I was there and I were there and I did that and no more government no more government purchase of debt you better be prepared because that would probably cause a civil war do do you think the philosophies of the libertarian you would still consider yourself a libertarian today yes would you consider yourself a Libertarian yeah I use I use the word but there are ways to qualify you know even within the libertarian party there are libertarian leaning type or or conservative leaning and and uh yeah yes but I still call Libertarians is the best term that I use although because some people think that's a negative term I frequently will use freedom and and and Liberty but libertarian you know as soon as they put the aian on there people are saying oh you're just a Libertarian so I I use it but I know if you said do I call myself a Libertarian I do okay so whenever I see I and at the end I think about Armenians because I'm half Armenian so I think about libertarian uh in in a different way but the reason why I asked that question question is do you think the libertarian philosophies would be very difficult to do for a company as big as ours a country as big as ours where it would be a good philosophy to start off a nation with so even if somebody like you got in it would be very hard to get it to the levels that you would like it to get to because to get it to the levels that you'd like it to get to it's a massive disruption to the system no the the the the reason you give for not doing it and it wouldn't work is the reason why I want it because it is too big you can't manage this government you have see every for me all activity social religious sexual International every re every activity should be voluntary both sides have to voluntary uh have a voluntary agreement to what they're doing that's what happens in the marketplace and there's a lot of that left but there's a lot of corruption in it too because there's so much regulation so this stuff about how do you do it with this mess we have well yeah I I think we have to get rid of it and uh the founders knew exactly what they were doing by trying to prevent this but how many people and how many times you hear them talking about article one section 8 and and uh amendment number 10 uh you know they don't they mention it but uh you know it's it's not very very very sincere I I remember one time after pray a debate on for the presidential thing uh some a student came up to me and he was very pleased he said boy I understand what you mean and all this stuff and uh I said uh well uh he was praising me and I said well you know um and I was curious because somebody at that particular night after me you know he spouted off how dedicated he was to the Constitution and when I look at what they do 98% or 80% of all that happens in Washington we is technically immoral and illegal under the Constitution I said well why don't you uh why why don't you go talk to him he says well I didn't believe Bel yeah you know so he was telling he was fing the Delight of the Constitution but but to hear this college kid I thought it was astounding that all of a sudden he I said something he said something but so that's what I got impressed with young people I think young people have a room in their brain to still accept you know uh some of the some of the newer ideas and understanding or renewal of an idea of Liberty and so I think it's uh I I think it's wonderful that young people will look at it that way but it's uh it's it's terrible I I still think uh it can be bo boiled down to what H what was rily apparent through all of history of natural law and and uh and government law and uh even before we had uh civilization uh the uh there there were a lot of rules what the one the main rules natural law you can't lie cheat steal or kill and that's been known from way back I mean the uh that that was even before they had printing presses they knew those were the laws they were done imperfectly but as is a natural law people know that and they know it now but they overcome it by justification oh but we need it somebody is going to be poor and uh they won't have any food yeah I am convinced that if you want to have the maximum amount of peace and prosper erity you want to have the most minimum amount of government because there's so there's this tendency that people who accept the idea that you can use force uh and it not be something that you're that's immoral they would go ahead and do it so that's why that's why governments grow and you can't shrink them uh they they will end themselves and just like the wars in so you said government's grow and you can't shrink them so how do you shrink to so do you think do you think president Trump and musk are making progress in shrinking the government today I I I think what they're doing philosophically and call and calling all this to our attention is the most important because uh it's already look at the resistance they're getting and uh so uh yes you could have something here and there but the approach right now I said well maybe it'll work with the Department of Education it isn't to just shrink it it's that get it out of the federal government at least that would be moving in One Direction and put it all on the states and say oh would there be terrible education and all this and that's just I just don't buy into that I I think the bigger it is the more centralized it is and if you can't do it at the city level you go to the state level then that doesn't they think that doesn't work because there's too much corruption so they go to the federal government oh then they go to the UN and NATO and and say well the world is too complex you can't let people make those kind of decisions we have to have smart people go to these International organizations and sort things out and all it does is lead to lead to the bad guys taking over but I think what uh what musk is doing is is great but I see it as an educational thing because quite frankly uh I am not expecting the budget uh deficit to shrink this year nor the next year because there's too many people who have become dependent on it they they they want it and there'll be some pain and suffering and that's the where the real problem is so you think it's going to take a couple years nothing 2025 and nothing 2026 no budget cuts there'll be budget cuts but I don't think you I don't think you'll see the deficit go down no I don't think in one or two years it's going to solve the problem but if people have all of a sudden changed things uh people's attitudes have to change one best recent example I think this this point about attitudes have to change is more education and morality was what happened in under uh covid I mean when from my viewpoint as a physician and a Libertarian I thought that was so atrocious in what was done just because the government government bureaucrats was going to deny a lot of people medications that the people decided they wanted to take and well we'll put him in nursing homs and take care of him and then oh finally oh 82% of them died you know this sort of thing so I think that uh I think that we we we have to move in that direction during Co the people woke up the parents went to P PTA meeting and people it was it was to me it was the most ridiculous thing to live through for two or three years we're still self suffering the consequence how much money did uh Trump spin he was the deficits were horrible under those oh but this is an emergency so there'll be an emergency this year believe me there will be an emergency and there'll be somebody that is ready to invade Florida so we'll have to we'll have to mobilize and and and there'll be another epidemic and and that kind of stuff so I think sound optimistic you don't sound optimistic no I'm the most optimistic person in the world because I think we've made our progress is this in this idea of uh understanding what what is going on I mean Austrian economics is really it just came alive since World War II progressivism and uh and socialism oh how about you know the 19th century and and that's been around a long time but uh the I think the mis's Institute and the various institution and that's why I spent a lot of time in education uh more more you know to try to explain this because when the people became aware of what was happening you know that finally happen to change okay what about war how did the people woke up and people finally were you know figured it out that Vietnam War was insane you know 78,000 or 68,000 Americans killed for no reason at all and we're still participating in Wars all over the world and we say well yeah but no Americans died but our bombs are killing people whether it's in Ukraine or the Middle East or or or Yemen it's all our bombs and that's a moral issue because the people sit by and say I don't even know where Yemen is I don't care and I want to know whether my social security check is coming so that's going to exist that's not going to go away but I think the philosophy of a lot of people outside our University system whether it's the mises in Institute or the other various groups because there's a lot of good group I think that uh I think there's a big a big positive thing when I went even in the last uh uh two or three decade when I went to Congress in 70 1976 I mean they looked at me and they never what are you what are you doing you're there's two of you up there voting you're voting for with a radical leftwing person but they didn't understand the philosophy of Liberty and why you if you're going to have Liberty you can't have it you know in one area you know social sexualism but not in economic things and I think I think that philosophy is alive and well and when I go to college campuses and the ones I went to campaign I was excited about what is there and is still there and I think you even mentioned a positive thing when we started there's a lot of people and I don't hardly understand it because there's a lot of people still talking about some of those ISS I talked about you know 10 years ago so I I'm very optimistic about that but but realistic about was this an easy battle h no it is not the reason why I said are you optimistic is because you said you're going to see there's going to be an epidemic or there's going to be something that someone's going to need money for us to print money Florida you said watch there's going to be a situation for us to spend money that's what you're saying right that's right because that'll keep coming and that'll keep being our problem and I don't think I don't think non-intervention I non-interventionism uh is far enough along to stop all that because we're too slow we finally stop Wars like Vietnam we finally sto Co but we need to stop that before they start how do you Founders understood it how do you do that well I think read probably read the education of our founding fathers it's unbelievable and uh there were no universities to brain wash them basically and they and they also uh they also uh you know took they didn't have the the system they didn't go to government schools but boy I'll tell you what I am impressed with their their the education they achieved and historically they do something about Greek history and Roman history the whole works and Liberty just hasn't been recently invented but it's evolved over these years and I think we've made tremendous progress in the last three or four decades uh but uh it's a it's it's a long way to go I a realist because and I understand human nature pretty well because there's this over overrunning uh you know uh o overriding issue that people do want a free lunch and if they have the free lunch they certainly don't want it taken away and that's what we're witnessing now there's a lot of resistance out there and the universities are still filled plug with the people teaching the the philosophy they gave it oh yeah boys can boys can go what what is it bo boys can become girls yeah and set set Olympic records well for me as a physician and a Libertarian that's that's sort of nutty no I I I'm with you in that part so this is why I asked you the question earlier uh when I said do you think to fully get the libertarian philosophies in there it's tough to do when America is this big you can talk about it but it's easier to do to start a country and this is kind of where I was going with it this where I was going with and the question I want to ask but hang let me ask the question I I want you to go into this part so for example right now you said this year next year I don't see the deficit moving we're still going to be spending it's going to take a year or two before we get there great so then for somebody from the outside looks and says okay uh Dr R Paul so Trump is president now so then say a person like a Joe Biden gets in in 2028 I'm just making this up I know a lot of people think it's going to be JD Vance and all but let's just say Nome gets in so then philosophies changed so if Elon and Trump do what they do the next four years and they show results and say they drop another crisis that happens in 2028 to get people to hate Trump and musk and they use fear porn and they scare the crap out of America and they go for a person like Nome you're constantly changing the pendulum where philosophies don't have enough time to create momentum I I don't know if this makes sense so this is kind of like Steve Bannon was on Cuomo yesterday and Steve Bannon was telling Cuomo that you know what we need we need Trump to go for a third term and kom's like that's not possible we can't do that and he says no that's what we need we're already working on it I don't know if you saw this clip or not Rob if you got it you know I want you to hear this clip here uh it's it's Bannon with CUO Rob if you can plague this you'll hear the audio go for it well a man like this comes along once every Century if we're lucky we got him now he's on fire and uh I'm a huge supporter want to see him again in 2028 and obviously anybody who uh doesn't like what you say but judges is at a function of a lack of intelligence doesn't know anything about you I don't make that mistake you're a smart guy uh you know he's term limited how do you think he gets another term we're working on it I think we'll have a I think we'll have a couple of Alternatives let's say that we we'll see we'll see what the defition we'll see the defition ter say what the definition of term living is all right well so you're talking about litigating this issue because I don't want people to listen to our interview and say bannon's cooking up an Insurrection Bannon is cooking up you know what I mean I want I want people to get a straight take on where your head is what are you suggesting Chris as you know I've had I've had greater long shots than this we we uh supported president Trump after the election I realize you don't believe the election 2020 so I guess the question I'm asking is in order for us to keep a philosophy of Doge Department of of governmental efficiencies going and really teaching this don't you think you need the same philosophy to be running the country for 12 years so everybody get locks in locked in and saving money because if we keep changing Administration we're losing momentum yeah it's not going to be two years or 12 years how I would ask ask you how long did it take to undermine the basic thrust of the Revolution you know the Constitution and how it was written and what the ninth and 10th amendments mean that was an erosion that took a long long time the erosion came from the universities and they're still there and they preach this stuff so I think the reason why I don't think that uh uh I'm not worried about it not being done in six months or two years or three years is the damage has already been done there's been a you know Dam Damage Done by by bad philosophy but he created a monetary system and a f and a an Empire we have an Empire they don't just but they do disappear and I think that's what that's what's big about what's happening today but in economics if you spend too much money and you have a lot of debt and then then you uh then you have a lot of malinvestment because if you disrupt the interest rate people do dumb things because they think there's a lot of money being saved and there isn't so you end up with bubbles and the bubbles have to burst there's a liquidation period so the sooner people realize that liquidation is good in 1921 there was this crisis that came up but in 1921 they were still not a can they weren't canes in that you had to just print a lot of money and a year and a half the JD GDP went down sharply like 15% was horrible but they didn't have any bailout and uh everything was recovered see what I'm con convinced of patricky is that if I got my freedom and if you had your freedom and everybody had their freedom and you couldn't do any violence that if they took all our wealth everything in the bank is wiped out uh I think that we're we're a year or two uh things would just be so booming just so people could be rewarded for their effort and it would never get that bad there wouldn't be anything there but if people people didn't have an income tax and didn't have to deal with all this nonsense and all this regulation that's what they're trying to do right now uh that's what musk is trying to do but it is it's overwhelming of what it is so I I don't think it'll happen until people understand you know the philosophy of uh of what's going on on economics because if you run up a $36 trillion Deb you say what does liquidation mean we have to declare bankruptcy if you or I had you know $10 million debt and and we had to quit we'd have to we'd have to get another job or declare bankruptcy or something so we could start over but not yeah we're not ready to start over yet we're ready we're ready for the liquidation and that's where the real test will be because the cultural marxis and Marxist said we want chaos in the streets and they're getting it and it's going to get worse and the chaos in the street because they want to replace it with true Marxism I want to replate it with true Liberty oh so here's how I think about what you just said so if we look at that right there 1920 1921 Rob if you can go to the images to just see it I know he won't be able to see but I'll kind of state it so you'll see a big nose dive right with what happens that year in the economy but what happened eight years later the the Great Depression comes and that gives the opportunity for a guy like FDR to say this is why we need unemploy this is why we need Social Security this is why we need this this is why we need that if the situation and the scenario happened that you're claiming uh to happen like let the market crash and go through it I mean you are giving the opposition and the Marxist an easy play to get out there and say you see we tried we tried trumponomics we tried Doge we tried this and look what it did it hurt the small guy it hit hurt Middle America how are we going to handle so this is why I keep when I have conversations with Li I see myself as a Libertarian when it comes down to economics the only thing I see right now is in order for momentum to be created where there needs to be a locked in belief in one system for many years I think that is very challenging to do in our kind of a system and I think that's one of the reasons why you're seeing abandon and some of the other guys talking about we may need to have the same Administration for back-to-back terms even though he can't do it for us to actually show results on what what's possible okay I I think you're looking for a gradualist approach and that should always be you know when they came up with a vote over the years when I was there they put it on attach it to a bill uh let's a let's get rid of uh waste Fraud and Abuse so I was cynical I said you're not going to do it and uh and they didn't but I voted for it so there there is it no but but on on on me setting the stage and helping the Marxist by pointing out this thing's going to get worse well well you don't have a choice if I were there and and posed all these beliefs on shrinking devil overnight you know or no let just say gradualism that's what we're working on right now just think of the reaction they're getting uh uh you know uh Trump and uh uh and the whole group to try to come back they're getting a lot of group group but you don't have a choice the damage has already been done the money has been spent the abuse of the currency has been done you have the foreign policy what did what did Trump say today well what we need to do is take over all the uh all the all the uh uh all the electronic plants all all the power plants in Ukraine oh they have oil we'll take over that well how do we go into the Middle East which I strongly oppose they said don't sweat it you know when once we take over that oil we they'll that'll pay for all this war mongering so they they they always have that but it that the the the the downside you know the the uh The Disappearance of the debt and the Mal investment people don't talk about Mal investment that's all the mistakes that's when they have 2,000 houses and there was only the market said there was only room for 1,000 there has to be a bubble there and you have to have these these correction but uh if you have the the the correction is going to occur yeah the the the people should understand 1921 versus what they did in the depression the Depression was horrible they did they introduced so many programs and and it never worked until oh the war will save us yeah we'll we'll kill millions of people and distract them from the stupid economic policies that we have and we then we keep doing the same thing over and over again and it goes back to the money issue you could do any of thing if you would if you didn't permit fraud by a secret group of people to print money to take care of the special interest well the people the poor people have to eat don't they yeah the poor people in the pharmaceutical industry the military industrial comple none of that would exist if you couldn't print money and maintain an Empire that has demanding and control of the reserve currency of the world that will dies they've die they die over the centuries and this one is is in the is in the death throws pretty soon it will but it won't be because we're tinkering around and cutting a couple dollars here and there nowadays more than ever the brand you wear reflects and represent who you are so for us if you wear a future looks bright hat or value tment gear you're telling the world I'm optimistic I'm excited about what's going to be happening but you're a freeth thinker you question things you like debate and by the way last year 120,000 people got a 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estate and a lot of different properties and good locations so he goes and buys the uh I think it was a Post Office right next to next to the White House builds it up really nice fancy 99e contract land Le he goes to New York does all these great propert he always wants to build nice Trump Towers Vegas all over the place so his mindset is expansion right so you hear him talk about Canada should be 51st a you see him broker in the deal with black rock to buy uh the two uh uh ports on Panama Canal they bought 43 of them for2 $2.8 billion to prevent China from from having control over the Panama Canal he talks about Greenland he talks about what if we build that in Gaza he talks about all this stuff does that excite you or does that make you nervous saying no no no let's just focus on America stop looking at Panama Canal stop looking at Greenland stop looking at Gaza how do you view them when you hear them saying those things well that they're using Force to get what they want it's anti-libertarian it won't work it eventually crash and that's when uh that's when people can gang up on the people who are doing this they're using violence to carry the these things out and how they want to do it so what they have to do they have to own the government that's why you have I mean the best thing that uh that musk has done has exposed you know the amount that us Aid uh has been involved that to me is is really amazing but uh you know most people can understand if I go into your house and steal something from you uh it's still wrong and I can go to jail for that but when the government goes and you have regulators and you're building buildings all over the place and you get special deals and then you get the loans from the government the government this USA Aid shows how the special interest went in a in a circuitous way around all the rules that were there and give money out to their special interest and most of was political manipulation so that that is that has to cease and it will because the money's going to quit working you say well that's a that's chaos yes it is but but when it comes suddenly and uh you have a chaos year then you have Venezuela and the Zimbabwe and that's a lot worse so you want to prevent that but so my position is uh not going to be one where next year you're we're going to have a vote and say oh Ron Paul was right we should cut our spending so we want to we want to only going to vote for people in the House of Representatives that agree to cut 10% of the budget every year and work our way out of it ain't going to happen that doesn't work that way the liquidation has to occur and unfortunately it's very dangerous and that's where we're that's where we'll see the problem and it is it's a contest between who picks up the pieces I want to participate and Advising or encouraging people to pick up the pieces and go for go for Liberty rather than saying what we have to have our cultureal Marxist to tell tell people you know everything in their lives what they can do or can't do and you know one thing that really bugs me is when we hear that uh uh we give some money to a country or some outfit and then they start like a college campus like Colombia the college campus has come along and they start lob or they start expressing themselves you know about the midd East War it's just just expression a voluntary you know freedom of speech oh you can't do that we're going to take your money away so that's a double whammy they first they shouldn't have given the money to the university and the second thing is are you going to take the money away in order to control speech so they destroy several things under those conditions people say well and and and they say Ron do you know what you're endorsing some of these people are terrible some of them are as terrible as January 6 people I mean they were just terrible we're going to destroy the world so that that's why I think that uh it has to be much more clarified and I hope I don't confuse things so but but let me let me ask you this going back to the question I asked so it doesn't excite you that us took control of the two ports and Panama Canal away from China it doesn't excite you that the President's trying to get some of the natural resources from Greenland you know even though it's sounds out of the ordinary or the conversations he's having with Canada that that doesn't excite you you don't look at it and say this all depends how how you do it I mean if it's above board volunteerism both sides have to agree to it but uh if if the Panama if technically the canal was owned right now it's been that way for so many years uh and you ignore that uh that's that's not moral uh both sides it's so easy if you say both sides have to agree whether it's social sexual religious economic both sides everybody knows that about marketplaces you go in if say somebody says this is going to cost $20 well that's too much and somebody said well okay I'll sell it to you for $15 both sides have to agree but not that's not the way it is what they do now is we have a system of government where the lobbyists go to Washington and dictate the sales and what you can do socially when you think about who gets to run in races and all that other junk uh they uh they they they that just makes things that much worse because we allow the government to use force people say well so you have to have Force yes if uh if uh I was I was drafted in 1962 and there were Russian missiles in uh Soviet missiles in in Cuba and uh you know I I wasn't somebody that you know that actually I mean I was still interested in foreign policy but that wasn't my standing ground I mean that's a lot different I do do believe that you have to have a National Defense but uh here here we have see I think uh I think all this immigration stuff was more of a an invasion because we we did something there is we took money from people who were working and uh we subsidized them if you subsidize something you get more of it uh and then we have these millions of people come in that AR aren't exactly our friends and we did we avoided the whole principle of of uh property rights because if you are if somebody comes into your house uh uh that that they say oh well we're short of house I want to live in your house and we have a right to this most Americans would say get you you get out of here but what if you have a town that has a thousand people and they've work for 25 years to have an infrastructure and the government sends them 10,000 more and they put in a hotel you know that's insane but it's a property rights thing there it wasn't voluntary there wasn't two sides agreeing but if somebody comes in and says you know I've worked hard I've saved this money and I want to buy this and that so people just really ought to understand what volunteerism really means it's fantastic it would solve a lot of problems and it's not complicated sir what year was it the first time you got into politics what year was it first year uh well the first minute was uh on uh on U August 15 1971 listening to Nixon giving a speech because I was interested in monetary policy now I wouldn't say I was got involved in politics then but that was when it really excited when he here my that was a that was a moment well but I I wanted to express myself so I ran for Congress and won a seat in in 1976 okay since 71 you you saw Nixon 76 you got involved so you know for someone like you when you know it's it's coming from an economic standpoint 1971 is 54 years ago so you've seen different enemies over the years has the Enemy of the State changed and evolved from what it was in the 70s 80s 90s to who it is today yeah that's where the Improvement has been there are more people understanding what volunteerism is and uh see then the numbers don't bother me too much it's the calls of people but the people that run our universities are not on our side I have a homeschooling group there's a lot of homeschooling group yeah yesterday I can't believe it there was an announcement I think it was uh Illinois they were cracking down on people who were teaching their kids in homeschooling well from their Viewpoint it wasn't perfect we have to protect them we have to make sure what they're going to learn no that that's that has to stop but it it's an educational thing that's where there is a lot of progress there's a lot more homeschoolers one thing is is when you we had that horrible time under covid the homeschooling group grew you know tremendously so they're out there but uh the fact you say well that's only 10% well I'll tell you what there wasn't uh there wasn't 90 there wasn't 51% of the people who endorsed the uh Revolution back then but the leadership of our country the founders of this country uh were what count they were the ones that really counted so I think that uh I think there's a lot of positive things on it and besides it doesn't require me to argue that well Patrick what we need to do is get all our kids to learn how to shoot straight and kill all these people because uh they're not killing the right people so let's go invade Greenland that's so I no I I think yeah you say well I I know what's going through your mind I'm assuming that this is this what you're talking about is so little this is a big problem and you think you're going to change things by nickel and diming it no I think an idea whose Time Has Come cannot be stopped by armies and and I believe this I an idea whose time has come and I would like to help the idea of Liberty to come where the American people will stand up to it and really change things sir has the president and Elon Musk asked you for help indirectly but not directly they they did some positive things for me on X they would repeat some of my program I think the early on when this started I put a thing up that stopped all 4 and a and made my case for it and I think it was reproduced you where I might get uh 50 60 70,000 people to look at my stuff I think had millions of people when musk put that up so he was supporting it and they even me mentioned they they they've tried to be friendly and you know we talked but you know I recognize the the significance of of what they're doing and what I do I I can't be a very significant person yeah I I work in a different area changing one mind at a time changeing it to the point where people get excited and I I think uh I think that's what excites me because one person whose mind has changed and starts something and that's why I mentioned what people ask me what to do just do whatever you want to do but do it and somebody will use you somebody will take it there you don't force yourself and if it's an idea whose time has come you will be used in a positive way last question and before we wrap up is who who concerns you the most today you know when I think about the Federal Reserve when I think about who has the most power is it the president is it Federal Reserve is it the technocracy these social media companies is it the richest people in the world who who who would you say is are the most powerful people in the world I mean we know about the rotschild when we read about Federal Reserve and some of the involvement they had who do you look at as somebody who is very well read that are the most powerful people in the world today well as a group authoritarians they think they know what happens and they can tell people how to live and how to spend their money because they're the opposite of a voluntarist and who says that you can't do anything unless both sides agree and uh I mean most of the people that I would look up to uh would be you know uh free market Austrian Economist who de who write this out explicitly mises was a great influence on me Leonard Reed was a influence on me from the foundation for economic education but they taught this and I read those books and I understood the issues and that's what I think is important so whether it's 10% or 15% it's it's not a big deal for me I mean if you if you just have the ideas out there because the people go along most people go along you know to get along because you know do you think the American people right now are worrying about uh Greenland they they say well that's a joke or somebody say oh that's a good idea and and why would anybody say such a thing so I I I think that it's I think there's a lot of positive things and all I know is it's spite of the fact that there's a systemic attack right now by most politicians in Washington one way or the other they attack freedom of expression that's dangerous when I left Congress I gave a little speech and I said that's our biggest threat if we mess up on the first amendment where we can't express ourselves and believe me uh both sides are are doing that and uh and that that is going to be rough uh but like I also believe that if if you if you're working with an idea whose time has come you cannot stop it what idea do you think Time Has Come Today the concept of Liberty what ideas Time Has Come Today you're saying you're saying specifically Liberty Freedom yeah in my case it's liberty and understanding the difference between Liberty and uh chamber of Commerce free enterprise you know who I I had to talk to them and all they wanted was come up in lobby for money you uh not Lobby for Liberty but there's more of that now but I found my encouragement came from people that uh actually I was shocked because people that were still in grade school understood this stuff as far as I was concerned and they were excited about and they're still communicating with me when they were in grade school and high school and and they're out there and I don't know who they are and we never know we never know who the remnant are is made up of and they're the people who keep things good and keep the ideas alive the ideas are only that count but uh the ideas of uh using government to use Force now I don't think that what's going on now to cut spending some people say well that's using Force they cutting off my check but no there's a lot of serious people I give as much uh positive messages about what the uh uh commission is doing trying to cut spending as I can because I I know there for the most of part their heart is in the right place but I'm just trying to be a realist and say well you better be prepared for there a lot of anger out there and people are going to be upset because they think it's they have a right to these things you have a right to life and Liberty but you don't have a right to somebody else's stuff and right now there's too many people who still believe that uh they have a right to somebody else's stuff but when the stuff runs out we better be prepared to uh patch out the holes with something more positive uh do you remember where you were at the day President johnf Kennedy got assassinated I wrote it into my little pamplet on that not too long ago uh yeah I was I was drafted in October of 62 uh I was in my residency so they took me out of my residency at tenders for hospital and I was inducted into the military and that was over the Cuban crisis but I was inducted by January and of 63 and Kennedy was uh and I was a flight surgeon I was a head flight surgeon at that particular day when Kennedy Kennedy landed at Kelly Air Force Base the b day before he was assassinated and I had a theoretical responsibility which was just theoretic it was believe me nothing nothing special other than the fact that he was there and they told me about it I was to be aware of it if anything went wrong I watched the plane take off I remember that vividly and then uh the plane I think stopped in Houston and then the next day it stopped in Dallas and that was it so I I knew exactly where I was the day before and the day of the assassination and uh with my little booklet I've written recently uh I I talk a lot more about that because my personal experience was the fact that uh I was close to it the day before he was assassinated how H your your impression of what you think took place and if you've been following any of the stories with the 880,000 documents that have been released has anything been shocking to you well I didn't read There was 80,000 but uh I think today they said well we were going to redact it all but we didn't we are not going to do that uh no my my pamphlet my little story about it is I think uh matter of fact I I I date that the 1960s as the as the decade and the assassination as the installation or the ex the recognition of a coup because that's when the FBI the CIA and others just think uh Jack Kennedy and and Bobby Kennedy assassinated Martin Luther King assassinated other uh other civil rights leaders were killed and I yes i' I've read every book I could read and I firmly convinced that it was it was not a lone killer 80% of the American people say they don't believe the government now that's that's really healthy that's wonderful because because because oswal oswal nobody believes it anymore and people too many people you know that was one thing they always had jokes about of uh in in in the Soviet Union they always made jokes about you know the government because everybody knew what the truth was but everybody knew they had to lie you know it filed so I I think it's a but I do I I date the 60s as as a conversion into what the CIA has done and is a you can you there's a lot lot of people who are very well versed in this and there's a lot of books on this and I happen to believe a lot of that stuff to be true do you believe when you say a lot of this stuff a part of it the fact that he he wanted to end the fed and that was one of the things that they were not too happy about is that one you believe in or not necessarily I I believe that I've seen some people that uh uh might not be would they just disagree and say oh no there were other things no i' listened to that but uh no I I think I think it was the monetary issue uh and uh that uh that Kennedy wanted to stop the war but he he except he uh uh you know increased the war in Vietnam and that was uh but later on there's a story about his friend that he was living with at the time converted him to a pnck and he he was he had announced it will be different after the election last question I've said this twice now you've been married 68 years what secret sauce what do you have that you can share with the rest of us oh be be be tolerant be inv voluntarist agree on what you're GNA do uh no I I think it's uh I think sometimes it's just being courteous to people you know but uh I don't I I don't know I don't have one magic thing to do but uh mostly it's uh just basic decency sometimes that the decency is not revealed very often but uh no no no special things but uh I think that's plenty that's plenty Dr uh Ron Paul thank you so much for your time it's always an honor and a privilege to speak to somebody like you that has the wealth of knowledge and I'm I'm glad to see 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