The Truth About Demonic Influence, Spiritual Warfare & Light Work w/ Shawn Chester

There seems to be a pretty overt demonic influence in our world that's infiltrated government, pop culture. The Epstein saga is just a fraction. It's not new and it didn't just get here. The dark ones run the material world. But the very positive side of that is why is it doing that? is doing that because there's a lot of good in the world and a lot of people standing up and rising up and doing the spiritual work that's necessary to start living a good life and teach better things to our young ones. True wisdom is divine wisdom. It's not man-made. It's not written in a book. Everything comes into the soul into the heart. When a person is damaged of old trauma, the mind can't fix it. Somewhere within us is the poison that still infects our system. So you can come and tell me what you think you're dealing with. I have this problem. I have this problem. Maybe the problem is you're infecting yourself. >> Fear is the mind killer. And the moment we're in fear, the dark forces have us by the ring and a bull's nose. And they're just pulling us around. I think for some people, the change that they know can feel very overwhelming. They think they don't have a chance. It's too much. And they get drowned in their own misery. What we do is pump ourselves with good, pump ourselves with light. So the focus is on the heart. Don't focus on the anger. Don't focus on the lust. Do something positive. Do something beautiful. And receive the divine wisdom within us. I've always had a deep affinity for you. Our history goes way back cuz you were a person who possessed a certain type of personal power and gravitas. However, the personal power and gravitas of your past is far different than the personal power and gravitas of your present. And I invite anybody who wants to go down memory lane to go watch our first podcast and hear crazy stories of I mean crazy stories. It was wild. You were a prince of Las Vegas at that point in time. And it's so you've been explaining to me it's such a distant version of yourself that it's almost like who am I going to talk about? Like you're almost going to be telling stories about a different individual. But I've watched you go through and been a part of, you know, this massive transformation which I maybe opened a door here or there and then you just started running through that corridor towards God and it's led you on this medicine path and now I consider you one of my teachers. You know, someone I come to when there's a spiritual challenge in my life. That's a pretty dramatic transformation. you know, like you could solve certain problems in Vegas like because of your raw power and the kind of it was almost all like you if you dropped the name Sean Chester in early 2000's Vegas, whatever you wanted happened. It was a crazy It was a crazy former life. And now I call you in for much different reasons. when things get a little hectic and a little heavy in an iawaska ceremony or another psychedelic journey. But that transformation is pretty remarkable and I think it's a proof of possibility of what's possible for transformation that you can transform one form of power into a completely other form of power. One devoted to self, the other devoted to God. Mhm. Well, first of all, thank you. It's good to see you. >> Good to see you, too. >> Uh, it's nice to be back here. Nice to be in Texas and out of the jungle for a little bit, even though only a day. Um, you certainly opened the door for me. It was very lovely. Um, no one could have done it. I would have never listened to other people. I wasn't a very good listener. But um I I look at uh anything about my past and uh believe it was the only uh training for me to be able to do what I'm doing now. Um we all have past. Everyone has a has a past of some sorts. And um for whatever mine was, I felt that um there was something I was missing. No matter how much I tried to um fill myself with um fun things and simple pleasure things, whether it be money or or just fun in general. But um thank God there was something inside of me that was never settled. and I knew there was um something more for me and a better path. And so when you uh opened the door for me to come and come with you into Peru, it was a perfect timing. I was already trying to make some type of transition in my life. And I knew that I wanted to move in a more healthier direction for myself and for those around me. Um so with that you brought me into the jungle with you and um met the great Don Howard. >> Yeah. >> Who was very >> blessings to his name. >> He was very instrumental in in my my change and still I think of him often. uh he became the the the hard and difficult words that I needed at the time. And I think of him sometimes now when I have to use those difficult words with others that it was his strength and also his calling me to my own accountability that made a difference. >> Mhm. >> So what were those words? Cuz I remember the words that he spoke to me. I remember one one time I've told this story before. So, you know, I won't belabor it, but I got some kind of intestinal issue that is not particularly uncommon when you're spending a long time in the jungle. I was down there for 2 weeks about 10 days in something something went wrong and I'm just like really struggling and I'm on my fourth fourth round of Iawasa with Don Howard and Dom Rober and I'm just [ __ ] exhausted. I've been tracking this dark spirit that lives within me and beyond me. And I didn't have a name for it yet. Now I call it my anti-U. But I didn't understand it yet. And I'm fighting. I'm battling. I'm struggling. I'm fighting it. I'm sick. And I'm like, "No [ __ ] way am I drinking Iawaska today." And Don Howard looks at me before I could even tell him that I wasn't going to drink. And he looks me right in the eye and he says, "The warrior's heart beats his one little brother." >> I'm like, "Fuck now. How am I going to back out of this now? It's like fine, fill her up. Like, let's go. You know, what did he say to you? What were what were uh you know, what were what was one of the words that he said to you? >> For me, it was when we were drinking um wuma. >> Mhm. >> And um I drank the cup and um um I wasn't feeling it enough. Even though I was feeling it, I wanted more. And I was very um I was being selfish and I was being a little aggravated and I pulled him to the side as we were hiking and um I told him it's not working. I need a bigger cup. Uh I was a little aggravated that I traveled this far to the jungle. And um he looked at me and said uh uh you didn't come here to get high, Sean. um you need to think about yourself and think about what's happening with you right now. So, I want you to leave the group and go walk ahead of us and go sit on top of the hill and really think about yourself. And um um he said in in the next time that we drink um I want you to walk up with your hat in your hand in your most humble way and be thankful for anything that happened. And so I u stormed off and I was a little aggravated. And I was like, "Screw this guy." You know, who does this guy think he is? This old man. And I went sat up on the hill and I was sitting so mad and I was looking around. All of a sudden, uh, I realized how beautiful everything was and it was really kicking in. Yeah. >> Pretty good. >> Yeah. >> And I realized everything was so beautiful. And then I just got so disappointed in myself. And then um I kept hearing like I don't know is my voice, my thoughts or it was a voice whatever it was telling me the war is over. And I started um uh crying at that moment thinking uh just shameful. I felt shameful, you know, traveled this whole way and I wasn't acting like a good person and I wanted me me and it was me me and uh what am I really here for? And um I think at that moment is where I decided to start becoming much more accountable for my actions. >> Mhm. Um, so it helped helped put me in life. >> Yep. Did you ever have a a grandfather in your life? Like someone who was like an elder or Cuz I didn't even have I never had a grandfather at all, period. Both my actual grandfathers died before I was born. And I very much would have liked to at least meet my grandfather, Aubrey. My grandfather Marshall seemed like he was pretty pretty brutal on my dad and my and my uncle Dave. So maybe blessings that I didn't have to interact with him, but you know, and who knows? But I never had a grandfather. And when I met Don Howard, it was like, "Oh, >> this is grandfather energy. This is an elder. This is a man who's gone through all the phases of life and accumulated wisdom and grown stronger from it." >> Like I didn't even know that was possible. >> Well, I did not. my my mother's grand my mother's father died when uh I was very young and I didn't have a relationship with the father on my with the grandfather uh on my father's side and I think that's why I work so well with the grandfathers I work with now >> uh because I have met these great Titus and these great medicine men uh that live secluded in the mountains and are so wise they know everything you need to know you know We we think we know what wisdom is until we listen to one of these men speak. And uh true wisdom is divine wisdom. It's not man-made. It's not written in a book. Uh these men are hard workers. They take care of their families. Uh they have energy like you've never seen. 70 years old and they work all night and then they're cutting wood all next day. And so I think as I grew into the medicine, I really looked at the grandfathers as great role models. And um you can't help but to naturally want to model yourself after them. >> And they're patient and they're happy and they're joyous because uh now I know why they wear all the giant teeth and all these these great things that we think is a costume. It's not a costume. This is a uniform. This is how they go to battle and this is how they uh >> they go in. that they've had so many difficult times that they've overcome. There's a reason they wear these things because they're strong and they're true warriors and they're warriors of light. Uh the warriors of love. They're always laughing and happy because uh nothing scares them anymore. And so every um every instance can just be funny. I've seen them go through um troubles in a ceremony where they may be vomiting for like 20 minutes and you think, "My god, I would die if I was that man. and it sounds like he's dying. Is he going to be okay? And then they come out, they play a harmonica, and then they tell a joke, and everybody laughs like it never happened. So, I really love and respect the grandfathers I work with. >> Yeah. You know, it's uh unfortunately the trajectory and the way that our culture is is not a lot of older people become elders. It actually they calcify in their beliefs and their stories and their ideas, their personality gets stuck. They're not on the constant path of evolution and transformation. And the path of evolution and transformation, it doesn't happen automatically. It happens via choice. You have to continually choose to put you in the crucible of the fire of calcination. Burn away that which is impure. So the truest form of who you are >> can ultimately emerge. And so like the flame of an elder is so pure if they've if they've walked that path in the best way. >> I found that um in the jungle and in the medicine communities and the indigenous communities that I work with um the grandmothers too. The grandmothers are the they're the greatest medicine women. They know everything. They take care of the children is always their main role to make sure the children are growing and living healthy. But the grandfathers when they take you in, um, they give you a lot of love and they're friendly and they're funny. Um, but they train you and and you either train with them on their level or you you can't. And they train you for a reason. They're always trying to make you stronger. They're always trying to make you wiser so that you can continue advancing in your levels of the medicine so that um when the time comes for something to be difficult, you can overcome that time and still be able to help another person within the area. If not, you get uh drowned in your own misery and your own difficulty. So, the grandfathers train us much harder when it's just us working together versus when we're actually working with other um groups and people. >> Yeah. You know, I I can't help but notice that, you know, you brought with you a companion who's been down with you two times now to the jungle to >> to drink and to transform and to evolve and to clean. Uh our brother Salvador from Fit for Service. And that whole idea of fit for service came from my spiritual grandfather Don Howard who said in order to be of service you have to be fit for service. >> And so the process is you become fit. Why? So you can flex on your [ __ ] Instagram story. >> Like sure if you want but like that's not the point. That's not the strength that you're trying to cultivate. You're trying to cultivate a fitness so that if somebody needs you, you're like, "Here I am, Hani." Like, "Here I am, God." You know, like that's the [ __ ] point. Well, um, everything that I've seen in my training in the medicine relates to the regular life. There's nothing that I have seen or do that does not directly relate. uh we are working in the medicine and it's very intense and there are moments that uh may seem like it's specifically for the medicine but who you are in the medicine is who you are in the world >> and um there needs to be that same type of training for young men, young women, for everyone because uh um life is not rainbows and ponies. Okay? And uh we all know that and the medicine is not rainbows and ponies and we know that. And um we need to be able to to stand up and understand where to draw the line and what is good and what is not good and uh how to teach our young ones and how to protect our friends and how to protect our families. Um so you should always be training we should train our everyone around us the best that we can. you know our work in the medicine even with the patients and the people that come um we're training them and we train them from the very beginning how to use correct form how to work in the medicine so that when their moment comes which it comes for everybody every time you work in the ceremonies there will be that one ceremony where your moment will come and it's going to be your difficult moment and so you train each day so that you're ready for that moment and when that moment comes you use the tools that you've been taught in the training training to overcome that moment. And when you overcome that moment is what I call making um you're ceiling the new floor. When you overcome that moment, this is now who you are. >> You've been able to clean yourself of whatever that difficult moment was. >> I find that there is nothing that compares to actually coming face to face with the hard stuff. Like my biggest weakness is ease and comfortable times. I'm much like much more likely to veer off track. I'm much more likely to forget my practices to just be sloppy. Mhm. >> But when it gets gnarly, like when it gets gnarly, like night three with Maestro Alberto when we were drinking the last time that we had a shared a cup together and he filled that filled that to the brim and he brews a strong brew >> and obviously different tradition than the Titas, but he has his own form and his own way and >> and it was so gnarly and it was so difficult that the Aubrey personality could not actually withstand it. So a technique which I learned for that difficulty was to actually no longer identify with the Aubrey but to actually identify with the soul that had incarnated many different Aubrey like personality structures and it was and so I remember Vi came over after the ceremony. How are you doing? And I go, "Well, that depends on which eye you're referring to because Aubrey is all blood and broken glass. He's a mess, but I'm good. I'm good." And she's like, "What?" Like, "I want to know how Aubrey is." He's like, "You don't like you. He'll be ready to talk when when he fixes himself, but for now, I have to identify with my soul. I have to identify with the unborn and the undying essence of who I am. that spark of the divine that lives within me. >> Well, part of that is is u what you honestly call um a healing transformation. You know uh that transformation is real. Sometimes you have to break apart uh because you weren't together, right? Sometimes you have to >> you have to break apart and use that um >> foundation that you've been working on to now uh put the new armor on and bring yourself back together in a way >> uh that can continue advancing. And you know it's very important to um catch yourself when it's getting easy. Um we're taught to always be ready. So, we're always training >> and um >> but it's very necessary to tear yourself apart sometimes. >> Totally. >> And um and that breaking apart is where the new beginnings happen and it's time to put it back together the right way in the way that you're working. And also because you've been working in the medicine for so long. That's your advancing. You know, when we advance, it gets only harder as you continue to advance. And so when you get to that next ceiling, um it's hard to break through. >> And sometimes in that breaking through um can shatter us in a million pieces. >> Uh but then we break through and and in that moment where we start finding out who we are, who we want to be >> and we get to that next level in our life. We are in unprecedented times and the first thing that arises is a need for safety. How do I ensure my own safety and sovereignty so I can protect myself and my family and also contribute to a better world? And so one of the things that I think is really important is to recognize where you are holding your value. And right now a lot of us are holding our value in cash. What is cash? Cash is promises made in paper or plastic from governments that we know we can't trust. But what has real value? Precious metals. And this is why I created the mint metalmark.com mtlmrk.com. Precious metal currency. I believe it's the future. 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Lastly, I just want to say like I understand the stress that everybody's feeling in these uncertain times and really focusing on financial sovereignty is going to be a big part of my message moving forward. I've had the blessing of having taken a beautiful ride. Me and my family are safe and well and we're able to support those that we love. I want you to be that person as well. So, I'm going to be talking about that a lot more. So, make sure you like and subscribe to the channel and follow me on social media, Aubrey Marcus. Thanks for your attention. We're in this together. All for one, one for all. Let's go. There's been periods, you know, even relatively recently where I realized there was a a lot of momentum of Aubrey that had been built up and the foundation of that momentum was absolutely unconditional mother's love that brought me my goodness, right? Like and I was riding on that momentum and there was also some other things. I had a beautiful and complicated relationship with my father, but it was also pretty solid. All things relative. Obviously, the the end of times was very difficult, but and there were some traumatic moments in between, but at a certain point, there's a decision to be made. Who am I? And it's not about figuring it out, looking at a [ __ ] star map, deciphering your astrology. Blessings to all that. It's a [ __ ] choice. Who am I? Let me decide. Let me write it out. Let me write down the ethos of who the [ __ ] I am. And then let that be who I am. Like that's the thing that I think both of us stand for is the sovereignty >> of the self that can choose, that can really say whatever the past was. In my case, it was relatively awesome and it and it gave me a lot of momentum, but it wasn't enough to take me where I need to go. >> I had to rebuild that thing from scratch. >> Mhm. >> And just say, okay, this is this is who I am. And now that I'm about to be a father, >> it's also, okay, what is a Marcus? >> You know, like what does my I'm going to pass on a name. I'm going to pass on a lineage. >> What does my lineage stand for? And am I the exemplar of that lineage? And if so, what does that mean? You know, and that's been a [ __ ] cool process. >> Yeah. Your job just got really important >> for real. >> And it's also a bet on the future, right? Cuz I'm going to have a baby girl. Like, I'll do anything to protect that baby girl. >> Well, the best way you can protect the baby girl is to uh fix yourself. >> 100%. >> Keep fixing yourself. You know it's very difficult to say that so much because oh gez it doesn't matter who you get are who who you are but it gets so exhausting sometimes it gets tiring but um um the path is not easy if you choose to take it and um you have to go really deep within yourself because the the information you gather is not psychological. Everything comes into the soul into the heart. Uh your connection with yourself is not you and your mind. We even teach in the medicine. Um um it's very difficult but you have to remove your mind from the medicine because the great divine information comes into the heart. >> Your mind can't hold it. Y >> it's not strong enough. It's not big enough. You're not smart enough. It doesn't matter. Okay. >> The mind you release the mind noting smart, >> right? Um the mind works for the heart, works for the soul. The soul is what powers the body. >> It's what powers the mind. >> So in the medicine you have to learn to keep the mind strong. And it's important to keep the mind very clean, keep the mind protected, keep the mind calm. Um just as you do with your body, you have to clean the mind. Clean the body, clean the mind. But then you hold the mind steady and you allow all the information to come into the heart because what comes out of you is what matters. Not what comes in. What matters is what comes out. >> And bad words or anger, aggravation, but what comes out of you is connected directly to your heart. So if your heart is not clean, you will not be clean. You won't speak clean, you won't act clean. If you want to be strong, strengthen the heart. If you want to be kind, be kind to the heart. But clean the heart. This is where all the information comes. This is her power source. >> Yeah, that's the that's incredibly important wisdom. And also when you look at somebody and their patterns and pathologies and you see the mind behaving in certain ways, you have to recognize that this is a this is a symptom of an underdeveloped heart capacity, right? like and so if you're reactive in a certain way, you know, and and that's something that's been really beautiful that I've witnessed in myself is as I prepared to be a father, it's put some it's put a shock clock on this transformation >> and it's like if Bana comes emotionally, I I used to get reactive like you're going to come point some knives at me like watch me shinobi this [ __ ] you know? I'm a habachi chef. Like let's [ __ ] let's dance. And now it's a whole other thing. And it's calm and it's just loving and straight still like with a with a straight steady line. It's not becoming a doormat, >> you know? Like >> once you take a beating, you're not doing justice to your heart. >> Exactly. So it's like it's like the right boundary but with the right amount of love. And it's that it's that >> kind of dialectic between boundary and love that is the energy of the father. Mhm. >> And so being able to practice that and actually recognize my evolution. I'm super hard on myself. >> I mean, I see every mistake that I make and I'm like, >> that's difficult for me. But also, I'm fair enough to recognize, okay, I've done some things well. I'm way better at handling, you know, when when there's some emotional situation. And I think it's because there's been a a strengthening and a cleaning over the years. I I speak a lot on the heart because um what I share is is I'm I'm no longer neutral. I I say this because um >> I don't I don't uh in my learning I I don't believe that everything is okay. And I also know that there's a certain system and how you can go from where I once was to uh where I am now. And I watch many people go through very very deep transformations. So the information that I hold for myself and that I give is not one of opinion but one um that works. And when a person is damaged of old trauma of whatever that trauma is the mind can't fix it cuz the mind's not damaged as much as we want to think it's not. It's not in the mind. Uh the mind's holding on to it, but somewhere within us is the root, is the cause, is is the the poison that still infects our system. >> And therefore, when we go through a process in the medicine, we're looking for that root so you can come and tell me what you think you're dealing with and what you want to work in. I have this problem. I have this problem. Um I have a problem with my wife. You know, whatever it is, I can listen to that. But as we start moving through the the system of the medicine, certain things will start opening up. And that's where your intention may be thinking one particular thing because you psychologically think you know the answer. Well, the problem is cuz I had this this particular trauma and this person treated me bad. Uh but once we start opening up, we go inside the heart. Well, maybe that's not the problem. Maybe the problem is you're infecting yourself. Mhm. >> The problem is you're you're um trying to save yourself and you're an alcoholic or you're taking drugs or you're in pornography or whatever it is, you're poisoning yourself. Even though you think that is the problem, you're now the problem. And so you're able to go in and clean this stuff out of you and you'll be very surprised how the other gets released. But as you go deeper into yourself, you'll start finding that the the things that you thought the problems are no longer the problems. And that's why it's important to release the mind to use the tobacco to focus on the mind to ask for wisdom to use the rape to clear the mind so that way the heart can open and then we can hear the heart. When we use all the other medicines properly around the iawaska then we're able to really clean ourselves so we can hear the heart. Now we can actually have our own conversation um and receive the divine wisdom within us. And then when we are able to connect into our heart and receive the divine wisdom, then we're able to consciously connect then. So then the mind listens what the heart has to say, okay, here we are. This is what we're doing. This is what I've learned. And then at that moment, you're able to finally am I finished with it? Yes. No more of this infecting my life. And then there will come you'll find yourself vomiting. Mhm. >> And I'm able to connect that and understand that because I watch people very closely and what I learn about them that I already know and watch them each day. I can watch them maybe 20 minutes before they vomit. They're working on something. They're coming to terms when they vomit. I can almost feel it. Oh, that was the ex-husband. Oh, that was the abuse. Oh, that was the anger. >> And then you can talk to that person and they'll know. They'll tell you what came in and what they were experiencing in that moment before they vomited. And so it's very important u to connect to the heart. So you have to get all the other stuff out of the way. Get all the clutter and the mind as as much as it is for us. Um it can also uh stand in the way. >> Mhm. >> But what comes out of the heart is who we are. Yeah. >> The words, the messaging, the meaning and the feeling out of our heart. This is you. So therefore you know where to clean and what to clean because this is the this is speaking from the divine wisdom. >> I had a funny experience. Uh I was speaking at Envision Festival with my wife. >> Is that in Costa Rica? >> It was in Costa Rica. big spiritual crowd and uh we were giving this talk and it was the talk was going well and then we open up this Q&A and this woman stands immediately up. She was super eager and she says, "I have a message for you from Jesus Christ." And I go, "Can I come on stage?" And I was like, "No, I think maybe just stay down there in the audience." you know, like I had enough discretion to know, like, you know, she's got a microphone already. I think you're good where you're at. That's a bold claim. >> It's important. >> And she starts shaking with anger. >> And she says, "By not choosing Vana completely, you're not choosing Jesus completely." And and she's just losing it. And then and then Vi is like, I'm pregnant and I have a boundary here >> and I don't need to hear any of this. And she like her fierce lioness came in and the person who was passing around the microphone went to grab the microphone >> and then she's like fuming with this rage and she goes >> she goes to cast the devil out of me. She goes I cast the devil out of you off you Marcus. I was like whoa. And then I go just calmly. I said, "Any message that's coming from Yeshua, that's coming from Jesus Christ, it comes with peace and it comes with love." >> If it's a clean message, >> if it's a real clean message, like it comes, it comes with a certain frequency. >> And I think a lot of people obviously she was appealing to authority for something that her ego was clearly telling her that had probably her own story with it. But like the message of Christianity is the flaming heart. >> Mhm. >> Like that's the real symbol. It's it's actually quite odd >> that we use the symbol of empire torturing the innocent man as the symbol for this religion when really it's about the flaming heart. >> It's about the a heart that knows discretion. >> He knows when to flip over the tables. >> But also he knows when to say leave this life of sin but also knows how to unconditionally love. And like that is the that is the true message and there's a great piece that comes from that. And I think you know you can look out on social media or wherever you look and you see people who are not speaking from the heart. >> Well the the the greatest um thing there is uh judge not. Judge and you'll be judged. >> Yes. Um the hardest part and this is very hard I'll tell you um this has been very hard for me over the years and um the more you work in the medicine the more you're learning a lot but somehow you still have to relate with that western world you know it almost feels nice if I could just go up in the mountains and and work with myself and the medicines and I understand why those titans never leave because they have to uh stay very clean very sharp very strong for what they're are very connected. Um but as a a person like me that has to work with the westerners and see it's become very difficult to learn what I learn. And then the the biggest one is to not judge to not judge because um the non-judgment is what's very important is what breaks down the barriers and um everyone expects to be judged because they're judging. When you judge another, you receive it. >> And I found that >> because I would get people of different kinds >> and and if I would feel a judgment, it it would automatically u set up a difficult conversation. And I find when we can completely release the judgment of another and not judge a person on that person, however, we can still not agree with the actions and the words and the thoughts. Not judge that person because >> judgement. >> We don't know what they know and they don't know what they don't know. Okay? So people react. So a very difficult challenge is to non to not judge another. And when we stop judging others, we'll be very surprised how we don't feel the judgment of ourselves anymore. >> It goes two ways. The more you release the judgment towards another, you don't feel the judgment for yourself. And there becomes a calming tension. You can walk into any room and the second you look around and judge one or two, you're catching it. Am I dressed right? Am I looking right? Do I feel right? Am I acting right? But if you walk into the room and just bring in light and warmth, there's not one person in there judging you. It breaks down their barrier. They have none. >> Paul Celig, who's probably one of the clearest channels of cristic energy that I know, he one of the things he repeats the most often or the guides repeat through him is you cannot put someone into a cave of judgment without going in there yourself. Mhm. >> Like the moment you go in there, you've already judged the the body of the of the whole Christ, >> you know, like and Yeshua said that which you do to the least of us, you do to me, >> you know, which is the recognition of the wholeness and and so that paradox of boundary like the sharp sword of >> Mael, >> you know, like this is this is where we draw the line, >> but that you don't have to not love the other on the other side of the line. >> You love your enemies. How hard is that? >> Yep. And even if you have to wield the sword against them, you can still love them. And that's the paradox. >> Yeah. >> And that's in the old Bushidto samurai code. It's in the it's in a lot of different traditions where they've solved that paradox, but it's very hard for the contemporary mind to understand non-judgment with still full discretion. I have found myself um in a couple of rare ceremonies where um someone was having a very hard time and let's just say a man for example um became very aggressive and I found myself wrestling with this man all over the ground. I'm trying to hold him and keep from hurting himself and um hurting me, hurting anything he can. He was letting um the medicine was getting the best of him. has happened on several occasions and this isn't to scare people but it's also to uh make people very mature and realistic to what we're doing here and this is difficult work and um as I'm wrestling that person um it's very difficult because the whole challenge is for me to wrestle them with kindness and love >> and I've had people I've had to literally put my forearm in the back of their neck to hold them from biting me or for fighting me but it's very important in the Titus to teach me and the title sit there and watch me and I have to do it with kindness and love. So sometimes in the wrestle I find myself singing. This person might try to bite me or anything. I'm just going to smile. >> Sometimes the tit may laugh, play as harmonica, but it's it's it's like what you're saying. It's um >> um if we have to fight aggression, we fight aggression, but it doesn't mean we have to uh stir up anything but love inside of our heart. >> Do whatever we have to do. manage yourself, manage the job, but do it with loving your heart, you know, and it's a beautiful message by that because um it can help us with arguments with our wives or friends or anyone. Uh we're not always going to agree and sometimes it can come at us hard, but we can put the fire out or we can fuel it and sometimes uh it's not a doormat. We just rise above and be strong enough and take your beating. >> Yeah. >> Keep a warm heart and then it's over with. Right. And and so all too often that I mean the the idea the metaphor is is the dragon bothered by the mouse like really if the mouse is trying to like bite it it's got scales. Does it does it roar up on all of its on all of its thing? And does it spend all of that energy to blow its dragon fire on the mouse to toast it to a crisp and then roar into the sky? No. It's a [ __ ] mouse. Like and actually if we recognize our spiritual power, if we realize that we're in the house of our father, our father god, and we're surrounded by all of that, all of that power, the power that created life itself, the outbreath of yah, the whole universe unfolding, the intimacy of every molecule bonding. We're participating in that. Like yes, there may be some insult to your ego and and of course if it's a if it's a threat to your physical flesh, there's a response that's necessary, but you're still in your father's house. >> And like that's the place to respond from. >> No, it's a practice and we all practice it. Um we should be practicing it more, but um the practice is just to be kinder and you know uh there's ways to do that. It's just not so easy to say it because sometimes we have things inside. And that's why for us the importance is to continue cleaning yourself. You know, it's hard to live well when you're contaminated. And so you clean yourself and you live well and you you catch yourself when you're reacting wrong because again, you always go to the heart. Uh it's your fault no matter what. And no matter what anyone does, if you find anger inside of yourself, that's you. That's you own that. you're creating that person didn't create that madness or that anger or that aggression. >> Um so even in the medicine we teach >> you don't yell you always control yourself. So even in release you you uh you manage yourself always to try to keep your composure so that way you work with the medicine. The second you start losing uh control of yourself and you think it's okay to yell because you're purging, that's not a purge. That's a stirring up of bad energy and you're creating bad energy for you and for everyone in the in the ceremony. >> And uh that's a lesson that that many people now are hearing and they can uh keep that. Okay. It's very important um in your purge to understand that in ceremony is no different from life, but we're all working together. And it's very important in ceremony the energy that we're creating as a system inside of the place. So no matter what we're going through, we're feeding off of each other's energies, off of the title, off of the medicine, off of God, off of the nature, off of the fire, off of the tools that we're given. >> We manage ourselves well, and we allow the uh purge to come out in the vomit or the poop or later. >> But we learn to manage our emotions and control our emotions at all time versus let them control us. And that is the training. So therefore, if you yell and release that way in a ceremony, well, obviously that's what you do at home. If you're kicking and screaming and you're fighting in your hammock or you're kicking and moving around, it's not the medicine causing that. >> It's just this is who you are. Start recognizing and the next one you practice. >> Keep yourself more steady. Keep yourself more calm. So you start learning every action that you do, this is who you are. Recognize it. Accept it. accountability, >> adjust. >> What do you think is the difference between a necessary catharsis, so let's say someone has repressed frustration? They've allowed themsel to be a doormat. They haven't roared. >> Like they've they've been a lion that hasn't allowed themsel to actually express any of their personal power and they need to they need to find a place to roar. or they've held a lot of sadness and grief but have been told to keep it together and they need a good cry. What's the difference between that kind of that kind of I would say easy way to kind of slip into your old patterns versus a genuine catharsis because I see that a lot in breath work too. >> Yeah. Uh, I see that with breath work also. And I see it's even advertised as that as that something that's supposed to be healthy. Seeing someone on their back screaming bloody murder like they're getting something out of them, but all they're creating is bad energy inside of themselves. >> Because it doesn't matter. You don't fight bad energy with bad energy. And there's a difference of crying and there's a difference of screaming. There's a difference of crying because I'm mourning. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And I'm releasing because I'm sad and um it hurts and I'm allowing it to come out naturally. >> And that natural is soft, it's beautiful, it's deep, it's sincere. >> If it comes out in a and then the roar, it's not roaring. What you're doing is um you're contracting your body and you're keeping the bad energy in. And so in that which you're yelling, you're only yelling bad energy. and the release and the calm, the sadness is good. Sometimes a cry is so beautiful. There's nothing actually more beautiful for any of us. Okay? I found myself several times whimpering in my hammock trying to keep myself trying to keep myself covered saying, "Oh my god, I'm so embarrassed. I hope nobody can hear me. I can't stop." Okay. So, because there's u this is um >> coming from the heart. It comes from the heart. >> It comes in different different ways. >> Yeah. I think that's the that's the key. It has to come from the heart. It has to be real. And so the the practice with us is no matter how painful or deep it is, that's for yours to face and you face it and you accept it. And uh the way that it comes out is in a beautiful way. It can come out either in a vomit or a poop or you're going to make it through the moment without that big scream and without that big yell and it's going to organically come out the next day in the poop or in the day. Um but in the power of overcoming the difficulty is in overcoming it. Mhm. You know, I think one one of the ways that I'll draw like a subtle distinction that is I don't know if you were there with us on that trip where we were drinking with Mad. I know you know MOD well. He was part of even your first journey. He was out there with us. We were laughing our asses off on that first Wuma day. Great photo of us just just having the best time. But I remember, you know, he quietly left the Maloco and he took a good walk out into the woods. He took a deep breath and then he let out a real roar >> by himself to the woods and it was like, "Wo, that's the roar of a man. That's the roar of a king." And and then quietly walked back and went back down and found himself, you know, like laid back down. And I think there is a place for that type of thing. >> I I would like to say that uh that came straight from the heart. >> I agree. >> There's a difference. There's there's a difference. >> Were you there for that? Do you remember when he walked out? He might not have been there for that. >> I do not. >> But uh I understand what you're telling me. And uh by the way, I only understand because I've done everything wrong a million times to get to West Friday. I know. >> So I've released those yells to have to have the talk with the grandfather. you know, the next week he'll wait a week and give me time to settle down and talk to me and and to talk about um fighting negative energy with negative energy, you know, doesn't work. And and how to uh come to terms with our emotions, no matter who and what they are, is how we clean them. Um but certainly there's that uh the roar of the wild, okay? And it's when to do it and how to do it. That you're not disturbing another, but uh there's no nothing more beautiful than walk out in the jungle. And >> you know, that's a that's a battle cry. That's a thank you. That's a thank you, God. Thank you. You know, and everybody does it in different ways. And it doesn't matter if it's a man, girl, child, whoever it was, okay? That's that's coming directly from the heart. That's different. Um, in the ceremonies, we all have a responsibility of harmony. Okay? Harmony is how we run the ceremonies and we don't want to disturb the harmony. Now, we may have a strong vomit and it may be loud and your vomit may be loud and we may have some rough moments and we let that happen and you can feel the energy shaking in the room and then we come through with the harmonica and harmonize the room. >> So, we're always working to keep ourselves in harmony and everybody loses it. That's what we do, okay? There's different times where the wheels fall off and it sounds like a a war zone in there. There's people there's like uh grenades popping all over. People losing in a hammock over here, losing a hammock over here. But it's important for each person to uh rise to the occasion of themselves and don't let it go because um the medicine never gives you more than what you can handle. So the more you're letting it go, if it's outrunning you, it's cuz you're letting it outrun you. But it's because you haven't had the practice of learning how to bring it back in, how to catch yourself when it's outr running you. And no matter what's happening to you, your whole body starts coming back and you take control of your emotions in the situation. And that's what we constantly uh teach. I go by people many times and I start whispering and I talk to them in the very beginning. Uh do we trust each other? Are we good? Yes, we're good. then you need to hear my voice and when I speak to you I want you to do what I tell you and we practice the breathing. So no matter what's happening and even our brother Salvador can tell you I had a a moment with him in his uh second ceremony first time there where he was very deep in the medicine and started out running him and you can feel it running and I can hear it and see it out running and I go over to him and whisper Salvador you got to breathe catch your breath catch your breath and he first it was a little shaky and then he got in his breath and his system started just flowing beautifully. Um so that's kind of the practice and why it's important for us to understand that um there's a way to do this with correct form. >> Okay. And it's important for us to train to have these ceremonies and to train before we come into our first cup and to train by our second cup. Train by our third cup and in between the whole time we're training. What did we do last night? So we go over strategy that we can change up a little bit into our second night. That way we learn what we're doing. this isn't a thousand years old. Um, and you just think you're going to figure out by drinking a cup and land there. Um, so the training is very important for us and to learn how to manage ourselves. And by the way, that's how we become very productive. So instead of having the ceremony where we decide to scream and lose ourselves, we'll have the same person catch themselves and pull back. And that's when consciously they are able to know that's who I am. That was their trigger. So when they go back home, they know they start to lose it and they catch themselves. I've been here and they once they overcome it that one time in the ceremony, that's your practice. That's your practice. Um and it's very important to catch these moments and this is who you are. So if you're here to learn, >> bingo, we just found it out. >> So that's what you work on and that's what you work on next in the rape. And then I turn the rape up and you turn the dosages up. Now we're going to test you a little. And so once you develop the system and you find out that weakness of what you are and what it is, then that's your practice. And the second you overcome it one time, you feel good and you feel strong and you know that you're capable of over overcoming that difficulty that you had and that's how you become productive in the medicine. That's how you evolve uh and transform. >> Yeah. I think we told this story on the last podcast, but it was a big teaching that you gave to me and it and the funny part was so I I always have you on a mat next to me whenever we're drinking Iawaska together. That's just I want you there, you know, right right by my side, right? You know, it's just part of it cuz we're we're both going deep. And you were going deep. You were there as a patient. You weren't there as a you weren't there as the shaman, you know, you were there just >> I could have used someone talking to me. Totally. But >> you're going to use me a couple times. >> So, you know, I'm in a conversation with Iawaska about when when I can purge because whenever I've tried to rush it, you know, I'll even get up there and then I'll go to purge and force it and she'll be like, "What do you think you're doing, boy?" >> Like, lay back down. I didn't tell you you're ready yet. So, I've learned enough. Like, don't argue with mama. She knows. So, I'll be in a dialogue. I'll check in like, "How about now, Mom?" She's like, "No, I'm not done with you yet. You know, just sit back down. stop asking questions, you know, I'll let you know. And then I finally, you know, at a certain point, I'll get the green light like, all right, you know, you've you've gathered enough, you've held enough, you're ready to purge. And one of the things that helps that come smoothly is getting a good bolt of rape. And so with you next to me and an incredible rape facilitator with some of the best rape I've ever had in my life, I would kind of nudge you and you give me the rape and then I'd have this beautiful like delicious purge, you know, not in taste, but just delicious energetically. >> It would just kind of come out and but so I got the green light from Grandmother Iawaska and I was like, "Sweet. I'm going to nudge Sean." And you were in deep. And I was like, "All right, but we'll figure it out." I was I felt you coming too deep. I was trying to get myself together. >> You were in so deep. And then I come to you and I'm like, "Bro, I'm ready. I'm ready for some rape." And uh and you kind of gather yourself, pull yourself from some other dimension that you were in. >> And you just start breathing with me. And And I was like, "Okay, this is what we're doing. We're breathing." And it was going on so long. And I was like, "Man, like we're really breathing a long time." And then I start and then I realized like oh actually as soon as you got the green light you became so anxious. It was like you were just ready, you know? It was like you were ready, like you got the green light, now you're ready to do it. And and every moment thereafter and then you just kept breathing and breathing. I was breathing with you until finally I was like, "All right, we'll breathe as long as we need to breathe." Like, um, and know this will happen when it'll happen. And I thought you were totally doing that intentionally. And I came up to thank you. I was like, "Bro, that was amazing. like you really could tell that I was like really anxious to get my purge out and you just held me there breathing. You're like, "No, I was mostly just keeping it together." But I'm glad that I'm glad that worked out for you in that way, you know. But it the medicine works like that, you know. It's like the perfect lesson. >> I mean, there was there's definitely a little of both. >> Yeah. >> But I I wanted you to catch the system, you know, there's there's a breathing system. um how you can remove all pain and you can remove any need and any want and um it's especially important to come when you well I um I don't suggest for beginners to try to hold it cuz they'll they'll hurt themselves. They'll blow out. But as you practice it's important to uh um as soon as that vomit wants to come to to hold and to breathe and you're not fighting the vomit. See that's the difference. It's going to go when it's time to go, but you don't quite know, am I just getting triggered to get this up? Because then what happens is you'll vomit half the story. >> Yeah. >> Or you vomit three quarters of the story. >> Yeah. >> But if you go into the breath and can comment in the breath, it means it's not time. So now it's allowing it to get deeper and further into your system. And so then when it comes out, which I think it did. >> Oh, yeah. Right. So when it comes out, >> it's coming from your toes, >> you know, not just I'm ready to vomit and I get a little. So then everything you went through probably over the past 3 days was able to really uh pull out. So you want it to be able to sink in you and the more you calm the body, which is the importance of the breath because everything stops. The mind stops, the body stops. There's no um there's no toss and turn and you don't um exchange energies with the medicine. You just that's what full surrender is is to be able to go deep into the breath. And as you go deep into the breath, you loosen everything up. So nothing inside is holding on to nothing. Everything is palms up. And so then when the medicine is able to finally come out, it comes out from the deepest place possible. It's everything. >> That's it. That's it. Do the titas that you work with, we're entering unprecedented times and I think we've kind of felt this coming, but it's it's just escalating and accelerating like things are getting >> things are coming to the surface to be transformed. There's like a collective we're in like a collective IASA ceremony globally. >> I feel it, >> you know. And do the Titus share any wisdom with you about what's going on in this time and any guidance about like how to find our way through? Obviously preparing ourselves is of utmost importance, but what else are they saying about this collective period? >> Well, um there's a lot that they don't know. Okay. Um they don't understand anything about the western world. They don't know what's going on in the west. They don't know the the things that you and I know, the war or or just even the day-to-day clutter. They don't understand quite um all of that on the psychological level. Okay. Um because it's not important um um their whole purpose is to stay uh completely connected to God, to completely stay in the medicine at all times. you know, the Titus don't they drink three to five times a week whether even if they're got to be by themselves they're going to continue drinking um so that therefore they can manage the person that comes in what they have said is the people are feeling very dirty it's very difficult cleaning these people uh that I'm bringing in from the west and um you know I laugh and I say tit these are the good people like these are the best the people that come here I get the most beautiful nicest people that are and trying to be good family people and these are the best of them. Okay. Um blows his mind. Okay. He like confuses him what's going on, why it's so bad, but he feels the difficulty that's cleaning these people. These these energies are getting stronger and harder. Um um we talk a lot in that way, but that's the only thing I've heard from him is he feels the energies that are a lot stronger in cleaning the people. I feel it too. Um I feel like the um the spirit realm has become very cluttered. Um um it's a little distorted. Sometimes you can move through the spirit realm um a little more comfortably. Now it has felt very distorted. The energy itself is is distorted. um which brings more important for us at work in the medicine to really be sure about who we are. So we have to be everything that we talk about is what we have to do. >> So it's very important and the Taito is always talking making sure that we're clean in the heart make sure we're strong in the heart make sure we leave no room for doubt therefore we have no confusion and the distortion can't hurt us. So we can sense it but we can't become part of it. >> There seems to be a pretty overt demonic influence in our world that's infiltrated government pop culture and I think the Epstein saga is just a fraction of what is actually happening. And >> there seems to be like these clear signs. I mean, I even saw a compilation of different events from the Olympic opening and closing ceremonies since 2012. >> And there's really clear representations of Moolok, who is a god who has worshiped through child sacrifice, the burning of children in oil. And it's a bull and this bull is like parading around with like fume coming out. And then there's children in beds and this ghoul that's going I mean this clip is insane. Maybe we'll show it on the podcast here and you know give credit to the guy who compiled it. But it's like it's almost like they're putting it in our face and daring the warriors of light to say no. Like no. And it it really feels like there is a there is a a demi urge a out yald the boath moak some type of demonic force that's captured like a good amount of the world that's now becoming overt instead of covert in like a very very interesting way and I think people are kind of catching the vibes that this is happening. Yeah, I know about this. I know about it in in several ways. Obviously, I've seen it um I've seen it in the public like what you're speaking of in the social media and different things, but I've seen um this in the spirit realms. And I only believe in the way that I've been working with others, there is a very very big true awakening happening. People aren't quite sure how to do it. That's why they're going to Iowa, maybe going to church more, maybe whatever they're doing. Um, but this is not new. >> Yeah. >> This is what's been controlling the world for a long time. just no one believes it. They think it's conspiracy theory or it's made up. But the dark ones run the material world. Okay? What's material? That's why it's important for us to be doing the spiritual practice cuz this is how you overcome the material world. The material world is being ran by darkness from the top. Whether you want to admit it doesn't matter. What's what's being shown now so many people are seeing is horrifying. This goes back to the beginning. You can read about Mollik in the Bible in the Old Testament. They've been doing this for a very long time. >> It's just now what's happening is there's a lot more light coming up. And so what I see is that they're just getting louder. It's just not hidden anymore. It's in your faces. It It's It didn't just show up in music and show up in movies. Who do you think started Hollywood? who created NASA, who created, >> you know, everything that was created behind it. Find out who they were. You do a a little human research and you'll be a little blown away to see all of these Satanists at the top that are developing all of these systems that many people are living by now. And so now they're putting it in your face so much because a person has going to have troubles cleaning themselves when they see violence on the TV every day. a person is going to have a trouble cleaning his his inside correctly when he sees pornography out in the open and it's normalized and you have young people on Only Fans and this is all this is all that of the material. This is coming from a dark place. So the more that it can be put in front of you, the more they can keep you from finding the light because it's hard to find the light if you stay cluttered. And so that's the importance of of us protecting our minds. And we don't need to go see horror movies. Unfortunately, if you like them, I get it. But I'm only saying that these horrible images infect the mind. >> Okay? >> These things infect the inside and then they infect the body to where a person no longer knows what is right and what is not right. We just think everything is kind of okay. It's up to you and it's up to your feelings. That's why I don't feel this way anymore. I'm I'm no longer neutral. I say that a lot. I'm not neutral. What's good is good and what's bad is bad. And I think um many people know that and they just don't come to terms with it themselves and they allow things to happen. And the more we allow things to pretend like they're okay, then the more that they'll do it. And so I just see a um a loud noise that's trying to raise its voice. It's not new and it didn't just get here. But the very positive side of that is why is it doing that? It's doing that because there's a lot of good in the world and a lot of people standing up and rising up and a lot of people doing the spiritual work that's necessary for them to rid themselves of the past and to start living a good life and and and teach better things to our young ones. >> Mhm. So >> yeah, you know, it's it's interesting. It's like the as they say, you know, Satan is the father of lies, you know, like constantly deceiving and just and with these justifications. And >> I think recognizing poison for poison >> and then I really feel more and more called to drawing harder and harder lines to poison. So let's take a simple example. Like if I'm going out to an ordinary restaurant and I want to I'm feel like I want a salad, but it's not an organic salad. So I know it's just packed with glyphosate and that's there's poison in my salad and probably it's been monocropped and there's not a lot of minerals and so I might get some fiber but I'm ingesting poison but I'm like [ __ ] it. I'll take the Caesar, you know, and you kind of normalize like a little bit of poison. And I think there's a place for that. Say like all right, a little bit of poison. I'll have a little bit of I'll have a beer here. job this year and and I'm I'm generally pretty comfortable with that. But I think there's places where we don't realize the poison. And I think pornography is that for many men in particular, although the numbers of women who are watching pornography under 24 is getting closer. They're narrowing the gap to men. So this is not just a men's problem. But I think there it's easy to go like, "Yeah, you know, I'm just watching a little porn like whatever. Everybody's doing it." And I don't think people are really aware of how poisonous these things are. Or a horror movie, oh yeah, I filled a, you know, felt a little thrill, you know, I felt alive for a moment. I got scared. >> But there's like there's things that are actually infectious in the way and they seep in deep, you know, and then you take a good break from them and you start to feel what your life is like without poison and you're like, whoa. But I think a lot of people are ignorant to the degree by which things are poisonous, you know, and and the the challenge with pornography is it leads you on an escalating path towards cuz your hedonic tolerance, your the the the place where you feel turn on and pleasure, it always gets escalated, escalated, escalated to something more and more transgressive until you're one step away from a [ __ ] snuff film. You know what I mean? It's like it's like this it's this insatiable it's this insatiable thing that's happening and it's like I think there's this is we're coming to the time where yes I believe in generally libertarian policies and I think people need to be educated on once you start the path of poison like you have to be very very [ __ ] careful. Well, the general public has always been poisoned and and not everyone is going to get it. There is a difference of eating a organic salad or not in that first off it's hard to get an organic salad that's real nowadays. So, uh you're going to have to make exceptions. You know, if it's something you're taking in and you're taking in food, well, I always um what matters is what comes out. Okay? At some point you're going to digest that something like pornography is coming from um lust is coming from a dark place that's not the light place. Right? So >> anything that comes from a dark place can lead you from I think even you said this once you know u it can lead you from I'm not happy all the way to I'm jumping off of a bridge. Depends I'm angry to I'm murdering someone. you know, as long as it's coming from a dark place. And we teach in the medicine. When you're working in the medicine, people want to know what is it that I keep and what is it that I let go. Well, it's important to draw a line. And on one side, what is me and what is not. So when you feel things and bad energy that is not and bad bad visions and bad thoughts, uh you understand that's how you separate it. So you keep the positive that comes in. This is what's teaching what is good for your system. If you're a person that has been into pornography and so many people are addicted to it, it's it's an evil. It's very harsh. It comes out in ceremonies. People see this vulgar type sexual stuff in the ceremonies. >> And you know, therefore, you're able to it's not my opinion. Don't you don't need to care what my opinion is. But the second you start seeing it or feeling it and you see these nasty sexual visions even for a moment, well, it's telling you, that's your heart telling you it needs to be clean. This is poisoning your system. >> And that's why it's important to draw a line. And it's and that's why we come from the heart. Is is this that I'm doing hurtful? Is this that I'm doing uh divine? And it's not saying I'm perfect or you're perfect and we're always going to make mistakes and that that's silly. But we should have at least the compass heading and that compass heading needs to be set correctly. And that's with a clean heart. >> And I think many people are learning that. I see people that come through our program when they finish in the end, they just say, "I've never felt so clean. I didn't even know what the word means." You say that word all the time. What does that even mean to be clean? And now you know. And when you're able to clean yourself well, that's your new heading. So you know when you're not feeling well the next 6 months or a year later, you're able to feel yourself and know that you don't feel where you did. So you know how to bring yourself back in line. I bounced off my path. Okay. Well, what's what do I need to do? Let's do a self- measurement. Well, I'm feeding myself bad. I'm drinking too much. I'm in lust. I'm being promiscuous. Whatever it is, I'm infecting myself. So you're able to actually pull yourself in. So after you come through the work in the medicine, you're going to be shown these things that's infecting you. There's no hiding. And the thing with being shown is uh you can't pretend that you don't know anymore or you're just you you're going to end up way worse than you started. >> Yeah. >> Once you come and if you search and you're looking, how do I help myself and clean myself? Once you learn these things, you have to do them and you have to remember them >> or you're gonna end up worse than before you started. >> Yeah, that's the >> be careful what you ask for. >> It's that because it you're absolutely right. Once you know where the line is and you turn the face and you know the the lineage of Solomon, they call it sitra. It's the turning of the face from God. You turn the face from your soul and God who you know if you looked face to face and asked like >> should I open this Pornhub incognito window or not? I'd be like >> no. Like what the [ __ ] are you talking about? You even going to ask me that? Like it's obviously a no. >> You know, but you don't. And you just know that you're just I'm not just I'm just not going to listen to my soul. I'm not going to listen to my heart. And your heart goes all right fine. you know, like I'm gonna check out. And and one of the things that I feel is that when you make those choices, you lose what the Hawaiians would call mana, which is like your spiritual power. It's like the gravity of of your character. You start to It's almost as if your soul just starts to check out like, "All right, this one doesn't want to listen to me. No worries." Like, I'll go I'll go back to the back to the source. But when you start making those positive choices, you build mana. You like build you build something that builds your personal gravitas so that you carry a weight. >> It's a weight that's beyond the material armonic measured weight. >> It's like a cristic weight, you know? Like there's no doubt in my mind that when Yeshua entered a room, >> people were like, "Fuck." cuz I've watched mystics enter a room before, the current ones, >> you know, and I could only imagine what that level of mystic was like, but you just feel it. It's like, wo, like there is something potent here. And it's it's that mana. It's that life force. It's being fully insolled, >> you know? And I think we can take our soul for granted. But I think our soul, yes, it's always tethered, but it it gets it touches us lighter and lighter and lighter the more we give away and the more we turn away from it. >> You know, I think it's like the more you stop a conversation with somebody, the more it stops a conversation with you. And it doesn't mean that it's going to give up on you, you know. And I think that's the beauty of these stories of redemption. >> Like Yeshua and your soul, they're never going to give up on you. And it's time to look face to face and have that conversation and make those sacred vows. >> I think for some people the the change that they know can feel very overwhelming. They think they don't have a chance. There's too much and they get drowned in their own misery. And it's important for everyone to know. Uh, everyone has an opportunity and sometimes it's just tiny little tweaks. So, you don't have to beat yourself up, but it's little at a time. You have a temper problem. I lost my temper. Let me just start working on it little at a time. Catch myself. Catch myself. I lost my temper. Oh, I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Okay, forgive yourself. Ask forgiveness. Be gone. I'm good. Next thing you know, oh God, here I am again. I lost my temper. Okay, I'm back. But I don't want it. I don't want it. You know, whatever those things are, they're very little. If you work on little at a time and little at a time, then you start building that uh light energy that you're talking about. And that light energy doesn't want it. So the difference is the more that you try to strive to go towards good and towards light and towards God, you don't have to work so hard to get rid of the bad stuff. You won't want the bad stuff. So the focus is not on the bad stuff. And and that's another thing that I push very hard within the medicine is just because you've had some very dark stuff doesn't mean we're going to revisit that. That's not how we work in the medicine. What we do is pump ourselves with good. Pump ourselves with light. So the focus is on the heart. Warm the heart. Warm the heart. The more you bring yourself closer to God. The more you bring yourself closer to your true heart, the other stuff will fall out. So the concentration is only on the good. Don't focus on the anger. Don't focus on the lust. Do something positive. Do something beautiful, >> right? Focus on the the because the good is the only way that wins. So, if you focus on the negative, you're going to be in a total power struggle and it's you against that and it's going to outstrengthen you because you got nothing behind you >> except you. >> And it's important for us to know that um we can't do it on our own, right? There's a a strength behind us that we can get by focusing on our heart. And having God behind us will give us the courage and the strength and the wisdom that we're not capable of having on our own. And that's the super strength. You don't have it. I don't have it. I would have gotten washed out a long time ago if I kept trying to do it on my own. only until I personally built the foundation um with God and with my heart and with what I want to be good, all of a sudden I was able to get through things I never thought I could get through. Yeah. >> And you start feeling that. So then it feels good and you it's it's a chain reaction. >> So the more you feel good, you want to do good. I want to be clean. People come through the program when they arrive, if they prepared for if they prepared correctly for the three months before they came, when they get to my program, they already feel better than they felt in a long time and then were able to advance in the medicine and not go backwards and clean up the clutter they should have done 3 months ago. >> Mhm. This is really about it's about a commitment and there is a radical responsibility that we all must have like this is this is on me and also you're never alone and that's a bit of a paradox which is like this is on me and I'm never alone. >> Mhm. >> And I have opposing forces but it's it's like it's on me and I got help. And I think when we realize that, then I think that can turn what seems like when we look out at the world like, "Oh, we're fucked." But when you realize that the algorithms aren't counting for God and all the intercessors and benevolent beings that are here to help, >> like that's not measurable. You can't run that through a quant. You know, chat GPT is not going to read out what the archangelic influences are going to do to the predictability of the mathematics of where we're going. And it doesn't mean that some things are not going to transform and it's not going to be hard, but they're never going to turn their back. It's not what they do. It's not in their nature. You know, like the good wants to serve the good always. And it's their pleasure and their delight. I think a lot of times we think of like the angels or the archangels or God as if like, oh, I don't want to go. I don't want to bother God with this helping me out. Like that's what they loved most. >> That's right. >> You know, like that's right. >> That's what they love most. You're doing them a favor, you know, like call on them. They're like, >> he doesn't wait until you're good. >> He wants you >> He wants you at your worst. Okay. Totally. >> He wants you at your worst. And that's like that's the that's the beauty of it. And I think we have we and that's when we anthropomorphize and say like well you know I'm thinking of it like my powerful uncle or my powerful who you know I don't want to bother the powerful CEO. Like I don't want to bother him with my time. Yeah. In the human world time is limited. In that world they got all the [ __ ] time in the world. You know, many people overlook that about the the calling of God and asking for help because uh there's such a separation of material knowledge and divine wisdom. And why do you think people talk about it so much? Because they've done it. So how many people have stories when they were at their bottom and they asked God for help and he helped, you know, millions and millions and millions. They never end. Uh that that is a way. So, uh, it it's interesting that some people have the doubt because I have seen and we've all seen and there's a million stories that's um, ask and you receive. You know, it's very important. It's uh, that's why it's important right now with all the noise that's happening. It's all material noise. Material means nothing. Okay. Spiritual divine wisdom is the knowledge you need. It's the strength you need, the courage you need. Um, >> yeah. And and then with that fear starts to starts to disappear. >> Yeah. >> Like there's and fear I think Dune had it right. The Benzes, fear is the mind killer. You know, that little virus. It's It really is. And the moment we're in fear, the dark forces have have us by the by the ring and a bull's nose and they're just pulling us around, getting us to do whatever they want, it's from fear. And if we can rid ourselves of that that virus of fear by knowing that we're always in our father's house and we'll never get kicked out, >> you know, that we're always there and and yes, you should respect the house and also help, you know, help clean the house and and all of that. All that's true, but it just changes things. >> You know, it changes things fundamentally. And then from that place, I think we can operate without being subject to so much fear. >> Well, Sean, I'm glad you exist, bro. I'm glad you exist. You are one of the great characters >> in this whole, you know, in this whole grand story of life. Like the story of Shawn Chester, I'm certain is one of God's favorite stories. It's uh it is truly a hero's journey. >> Well, you know, >> I I wouldn't be here without you. So, I got to tell you, I give you uh prayers all the time. I think of you uh many times. I'm in my ceremonies and I just give you a shout out. I think of you. Thank you, Aubrey. Thank you. Thank you for opening the door. Uh thank you for what you're doing. Thank you for your messaging. you know, I've seen you transform so beautifully. I love uh I love this guy that I'm sitting across from and uh I love you because I respect you >> and um we're on the same team. >> Yep. >> So, thank you. >> Yeah. And that's uh that's also another beautiful thing is like when you put out a clear signal of who you are, you'll attract those people who are resonant with that signal. And that's the best feeling, you know, to have that. For me, it's, you know, kind of consecrated in a necklace of beads and I know which bead is the Sean Chester bead. It's actually so heavy that it pulls itself into the middle of my necklace cuz it's great has a gravity like you do. But, uh, it feels really good, you know, to my brothers and sisters and those who I know that whatever the battle, large or small, like you're there. And I think this is going to be so key cuz then you'll never feel alone and you'll know that whatever comes like you got you got a squad. And uh so it's an honor to be on your squad. Um people who want to go down and experience this journey of transformation and possibility, where is the best way to find you? Well, you can find us uh my website is the nativguides.com and Instagram at the nativeguides. I have plenty of content and our content just shows you exactly what we're doing. >> So, if this is something that resonates to someone, I look forward to speaking with them. >> I'm here. I'm here for all of us. >> Salvador, how did you find your way to Sean, bro? >> From you. >> Yeah. You saw you saw a podcast. >> Absolutely. Yeah, saw the first podcast and pretty much knew within the first five minutes of of hearing him speak that that's somebody I wanted to work with. >> You glad you made that choice? >> Oh my god, it's been unbelievable times there so far and we're we're planning the next trip. We've got a full group of people for August. >> I have seen a an incredible evolution in Salvador myself. >> Yeah. >> Well, a lot of props to you too, Aubrey. Yeah. >> Changed my life, brother. >> Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, brother. I appreciate that. >> Love you, bro. We all need the messenger. That's it. No doubt. >> I love you, brother. >> I love you, everybody. See you next time. Thanks for tuning in to this video. Make sure you hit subscribe, follow me, Aubrey Marcus. Check out the Aubrey Marcus podcast available everywhere. And leave a comment. Let me know if this video resonated or what else you would like to hear from me in the future. Thank you so much.