"The 9/11 Commission Was A FRAUD" – Curt Weldon EXPOSES CIA Cover-Up, Able Danger & Deleted Evidence

911, the biggest event that cost the most American lives ever. Why do we only spend $15 million to investigate that? The whole thing is a cover up. And that's why I'm here. And I know the game. You know, they have needles they insert in people that give them fastmoving cancer. You can do that to me, but it's not going to No, I'm not. Come on. I've had two staffers that both work for the CIA. One was threatened. I was working with him when he died, but that's not right in America. Yeah. You know, it's interesting you say that because I had such a good conversation with him. I said, "Do you mind coming back a month later?" Months later, Rob tells me he passed away. When I came back from Afghanistan, I want to talk about Able Danger. I was immediately suspended. And so, what I'm going to tell you now is what I told them. Two of the terrorists on 911 were on the payroll of the CIA at the time. Now, look, I'm not accusing anybody. All I'm telling you is stop this This is America. Let the people know the truth. He was in the middle of all of this. All I can tell you is one of the first calls at my home that night was from Joe Biden. Unbelievable. And he said, "Kurt, I'm sorry what they did to you. Did you ever think you would make it? I feel sweet. I know this. Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever saw. It's right here. You are one of the sun's before. [Music] Okay. So, we got a special show here today in regards to 911. A lot of people are saying, "Why are you doing this?" Because the last five years, the only strike we ever got on YouTube the last five, four and a half years was when we interviewed Richard Gates. So there's a there's a risk to having this conversation. But we have a you a lineup of people that are qualified to talk about this. Kurt Weldon, the younger generation knows uh Julian Assange and they know Snowden. But prior to them, uh the the main guy I would say a lot of people who would say that, including even you a couple presidents, but one of them being Biden. There's a clip of him being very complimentary of you when you guys went to uh Iraq together on Memorial Day. We have that clip we'll play later on. Was Kurt Weldon. 20 years you served in the Congress. Uh former fire chief. You've been in that space. You were very vocal about 9/11 and from there there's been a lot of different conversations about it. So it's great to have you here. And then also uh Tony Schaefer. Tony Schaefer, retired Army Lieutenant Colonel, Defense Intelligence Agency officer, key leaison for AEL danger connection to 9/11. He went public in 2005 as a whistle forblower stating that Abel Danger had identified Muhammad Ata and three other 911 hijackers in 2000 but attempts to pass the information to FBI were blocked by military lawyers. We'll talk about that today. Yes, sir. Thank you for your service. Great to have you here. And then Eric, former US Army major and intelligence officer as well connected to 911 Able Danger. He was uh tasked with overseeing data mining and charting operations at land information war warfare activity and worked closely with a able danger team. He testified before Congress that he was ordered to destroy the 2 and 1/2 terabytes that we've all read about. We've seen this, right? The two and a half terabytes of data including references to terrorist cells due to concerns over legality of holding information on US persons. Is it fair to say this the first time you guys are doing a show together uh live? Yes, absolutely. First time. Fantastic. So, look, we have a lot of topics to go through and we'll put the link below, Rob, to this uh presidential commission on 9/11. We've we had a commission before, but it wasn't a presidential commission. So, President Trump could ideally do a presidential commission if he chose to want to go a little bit deeper to find out what happens here. The link to the information is going to be here for everybody who want to go get it. You can get the PDF and read through it. But I'm a business guy. So I got a business question for you and I'm going to start off with you and we can go any direction you want to go. As a business guy, when you run a company and you're managing risk and where resources go, things happen and your team will come up to you. Let me tell you what just happened with compliance d here's what we're facing. These guys could take, you know, $30 million of business away from us. If we do this, the risk here is $30,000. If we do this here. Okay. So, whatever is the biggest risk that's the biggest damage to the company, you give the most resources, lawyers, re research, forensics to go investigate, right? That's business. I'm thinking from a business lens, but for me, the part out of everything that we got on 911 commission, and there's a lot of them, Monica Lewinsky, okay, when you look at what happened in uh, you know, January 17, 1998, January 26 is when he said, I did have relations with Monica Lewinsky. They spent $30 million to investigate this incident that happened. The three-year relationship between Monica Lewinsky and the President Clinton at the time. Nobody died. No one was physically hurt. Matter of fact, people probably got healthier because of the three years of whatever happened, you know, but it's not like somebody got hurt because of it. 30 million there. 911 happens. 2,977 people die. that leads to a war that taxpayers spend roughly $8 trillion war on terror due to 911. Outside of the 299 2977 that died, there's another 4,500 people that died due to effects of it afterwards. And this is documented. We can read it everywhere. So for Monica Lewinsky, we spent $30 million. For 911, more the biggest event that cost the most American uh lives ever, more than Pearl Harbor, cuz that's 2403. 200977. Why do we only spend $15 million to investigate that and only spend and spend $30 million for Lewinsky and nobody died here? Why do you think that is? Well, after serving in Congress for 20 years and representing all the firefighters at the same time, I can tell you the reason. It's because the deep state was heavily involved in the 911 coverup. And the deep state didn't want the information out about the truth. Uh the deep state's experts at creating the spin that they accused other people of doing. Uh and the deep state, when 9/11 happened, diverted all of our attention to al Qaeda, uh to the need to send our troops overseas. I took that very seriously. Then I found out that Bin Laden wasn't even in Afghanistan. That's another topic we can talk about. But the deep state controlled the spin. The media played right into the deep state. Now, let me tell you, I five years ago, I had a private meeting with Seymour Hirs. You know who Seymour Hirs is? The number one investigative reporter in the country. Dennis Cassinich, a liberal Democrat, asked me to meet with him. Seymour Hirs said to me, "Congressman, you have one hell of a story." I said, "You have no permission to publish anything right now after what they did to my family." He said, "Okay, let's meet four months from now." We met four months later. and he said, 'Ive verified every fact and detail you told me. Brennan and Clapper wanted you not to assume the role of chairman of the Armed Services Committee. They went to Mueller and asked Muller to do a favor and disrupt your election. It was all about keeping me from becoming chairman to have unlimited subpoena power to ask the questions that you're going to ask today to give the American people the answers to what happened, what do we know before 911, what happened at 911, and what do we do with Bin Laden after 911. This whole thing and answer to your risk management question was controlled by the deep state. Who was the deep state in 01? I can't I can't push push to any one person, but I would tell you that Brennan Clapper were in the middle of all of this as as the leaders of the agency. He was in the middle of all of this. Well, I I I can't again I only talk about what I can uh take a polygraph and take a um a a lie detector test over. All I can tell you is what I was told is by um Seymour Hirsh that Brennan and Clapper did not want me to assume the chairmanship. Both parties, my party Republican, they had three weeks before my election, they ordered a raid on my daughter's house. And listen carefully, they raided my daughter's house and never talked to my daughter. Never. Ever. No one ever. They carried boxes out of her home with TV cameras from across the country there. FBI agents sent from DC. This is long before Donald Trump. Donald Trump wasn't even around in 2006. They raided my daughter's house, carried boxes out, never talked to her ever. No one. The same day they did that, they raided a lawyer's house right near my home. The lawyer at the time was working FBI counter intelligence against Russia that I had arranged two years earlier. When the agents from DC arrived in his office, the counterintel agents were already sitting in his office. So he had two sets of office and his agents in his office at the same time. And when they found out from DC, the first question was, "Well, Mr. Gallagher, aren't you related to Congressman Kurt Weldon?" And Gallagher started laughing at them because my wife's maid name is Gallagher. They have been given bad information. And I know who gave them the bad information. There's no relationship. They apologized to Gallagher. But they did want a file he had. And I'm going to tell you what that file contains. It contains information about our top spy in the Russian Far East named Douglas Kent. John Gallagher took the case because a 20-year-old Russian uh child named Alexander Kashin was broadsided by a drunken State Department employee in Vladivvastto. That kid became a quadriple, but he had relatives in Philadelphia. They contacted John Gallagher, asked him to take the case. He took it pro bono. No money involved. I helped him. John as a file 6 inches thick. That's what they wanted because when that person, that senior State Department official, who was our top CIA agent in the Russian Far East, Douglas Gent, when he was hired by the CIA, he was the vice chairman of the American Nazi party. And there are photographs of him in uniform and a Nazi uniform when he was hired by the CIA. That's what they wanted. Had nothing to do with me, but they ruined my daughter's life and career to stop me from becoming chairman. And in 2000, both Donald Rumsfeld and the number two uh leader in the Defense Department, Deputy Secretary of Defense John Hamry, wrote one-page letters endorsing me to become chairman of the Armed Services Committee. And three months after they ruined my election, George HW Bush, the former head of the CIA, did a public tribute to me, which I said to your staff. You can play it on your show in front of one 2,000 people in Washington. George HW Bush, the former head of the CIA, said, "Congressman Walden, you're the kind of leader leader that America needs. A leader that leaves America stronger." He's saying this. You had the tape. This is in 2005. No, this is in 2007. 2007. Three months after they did my election, my career after his the son who had no clue, the people around him were in running this show. Not not not the not George Bush. I'm convinced of that. It was the people around Bush. So you So okay. So indirectly from listening to you, I don't hear that you're saying George W. Bush was part of deep state. I don't think he knew about it. I I I I don't have the highest respect for him. He's not the brightest star in the sky, but I don't think he did it. I think it was a combination of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove, that group of people and the intelligence agency. That group of people. What what Sai Hurst told me, he said they could never raid the vice chairman of both the defense committee and the Homeland Security Committee, which I was right three weeks prior to an election unless the White House approved it. Three weeks prior to my election, the White House approved the Department of Justice raiding my daughter's house and they never talked to her. And then three months later, George HW Bush does the tribute in front of 2,000 leaders in Washington. And I would just encourage you uh Patrick to play that for your viewers to listen to what George HW Bush says about my career and the legacy that I left for the country. Rob, do we have that clip? I will grab it. So So was that is that on YouTube? Is that something I can Yeah, they try to take it down. Uh four year five years ago they tried to take it down. I got active now. It's all over the place. There are thousands of hits. They can get it all over. It's It's George HW Bos sitting in a chair and he's never done this before for any other member that I know of giving a public tribute to me. I have it. I have it, Rob. I'll send it to you. He's sitting in a chair. It's not a uh It's in front of 10 2,000 leaders in Washington, including members of the House and the Senate. Okay, go for it, Rob. Is this the one you're talking about? Good evening, all of you. This one. In 1989, I had the honor of addressing this audience at the first annual National Fire and Emergency Services dinner. I can recall looking out at the audience and seeing over 2,000 fire service leaders. It was an impressive sight to say the least. And now, as president of the United States, I naturally assumed that the audience was there to hear me speak. But the following year, you packed the ballroom again, as you've done year after year. Why not so much to hear from presidents or vice presidents, but to hear from your leader of the past 20 years, Kurt Weldon. You often heard Kurt speak of the fire service as the sleeping giant. When I was president, if it appeared that I wasn't giving proper attention to your issues, I could always be assured of a phone call from Kurt. I'm sure the other presidents would all say the same. To his credit, the fire service was never a partisan issue. It was a personal issue based on his own experience as a volunteer firefighter. He's the reason why both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue have heard the fire services voice and answered so many of your calls. He's the reason why you, the fire and emergency services, was awakened 20 years ago and has become such a political force in our nation's capital. is the goal of every political leader who is blessed with the opportunity to serve the public to leave behind a legacy. A legacy that in some way makes our nation stronger, better, and safer. Kurt, you've done just that through your dedication and your commitment to our nation's 1 million. This is this is some would say he was the deep state. A lot of people would say he's deep state director of CIA. So for former director of CIA and becomes president VP a lot of uh uh uh things that uh he's done. So for him to say that he's saying that in 2007. Yes. 3 months after they ended my career. When did you blow the whistle? Oh I I blew the whistle all during my time in Congress but especially on 911 after June 1905. Is that pretty accurate? Oh I published the book here in 2005 where I took on the CIA. But but I George Bush knew I supported a lot of the things he did especially in in uh that's why so but the reason why I'm asking this question is the timing sequencing is what I'm trying to find out. So 911 01 Yep. You blow the whistle in ' 05. No, I blew the whistle starting immediately. Not 05 was when the report came out. When did you get public about it? Oh, right away. Like how right away? Uh, I gave as soon as they took Tony Schaefer out, I started um harassing the DIA. Said this is a Biscano bigger than Watergate. Yeah, DoD overall. The DoD overall. It wasn't just DIA, but we can cover that in a bit. So, I was I took on the system saying this is wrong. So, if if the if the deep state he is one of the pillars of the deep state. Oh, yeah. Okay. You're saying oh yeah. So, he is one of the pillars of deep state. There is no way in the world if the five of us that are running deep state deep state are talking to each other and we're like look you can endorse him like that no way in a million years should you do that George think about it don't do it don't endorse him that way I'm sure they told him that okay so then there's another clip from uh another president who wasn't a president at the time Biden Rob if you have that clip president Biden at the time also in this hearing that's taking place he goes for a few minutes but I'll just play for the clip for the first two minutes here's President Biden he talks about how much of a staunch Republican you are. This is this is about 9/11. When is this taking place by the way with you being there? When is this? 2005, I believe. September 2005. The first test of the first hearing on this is the first testimony in front of the judicial correct the Senate. Okay, let's let's hear this one here, Rob, if you don't mind. Go for it. For two reasons. One, my high regard for the congressman. he's over the uh years uh in the last uh nine months uh shared information with me. Some of it seemed preient and turns out that a number of the things he said have been uh I was unaware of have turned out to be the case and uh I thought this morning we were going to get be able to get to the bottom of some of this. Only a couple people didn't show up. I know uh as you know better than I do to testify. So you were I was there. You were there. Did you testify first? But they done keep going Rob because I want to see Republican. I want to go to camera because he still hasn't said the name. I just want to see the face. Has no political agenda here other than trying to figure out what uh what we knew and didn't know and what uh why we didn't know it. Um, and my staff uh indicates to me that uh representatives from the Department of Defense had confirmed uh that an internal investigation identified on five Able Danger team members who who claimed either seen a picture of a or had seen his name in a chart prepared in 99 by the Able Danger team. And the defense investigation found these sources to be credible but didn't uncover uh um the chart itself. Defense officials have said that the documents associated with the project have been destroyed in accordance with regulations regarding collection, dissemination, and uh destruction procedures for intelligence gathering on people inside the United States. And so I thought we were going to get a chance to clear some of that up this morning. Um for the life of me, I don't understand why. Uh this is very weird. As I understand it, I stand corrected if I'm wrong, but I understand the witnesses we assumed we were going to get to hear from from the defense department have been pulled. They may You were one of the ones that they cannot testify. Um, and to be fair, you and him, you can pause it right here. You and him traveled together on Memorial Day to Iraq. Joe has traveled with me. He went to Libya with me. I I took the first delegation to Libya in 25 years. Joe went with me on my second trip when I spoke to Libyan people. Joe spoke after I did. Joe and I grew up one mile apart. My son graduated with uh Joe's daughter. And uh when my son died partly because of what they did to me, Joe drove three hours as vice president and stood in line at the funeral to console my family. And when I lost my election in November of '06, one of the first calls at my home that night was from Joe Biden. Unbelievable. And he said, "Kurt, I'm sorry. what they did to you. The other person that called me was Stenny Hoyer, top Democrat in the House, and he said, "Kurt, I'm sorry what they did to you." Both of them called me because they were friends of mine. Still are friends of mine, even though I'm a Republican. Let me say one more thing. In 2000, people were pushing me to become chairman of the Armed Services Committee. Donald Rumsfeld was the top leader on defense issues. He writes a one-page letter endorsing me for chairman. The top Democrat was the Deputy Secretary of Defense, John Hamry. He writes a one-page letter endorsing me. I have both letters I'll give you for your show endorsing me, but I would had to have jumped over four other members, and we didn't do that back then. So, I waited. I was next in line. But when not and I would have become chairman had I been elected in 2006. That's what it was all about, stopping me from becoming chairman. But here's the thing you asked about the hearing. I requested the hearings as the vice chairman of the defense committee and the homeland security committee and I went to Donald Rumsfeld who had endorsed me in 2000 and his assistant's name was Steve Cambone and they said no way Congressman we're not letting anyone from Able Danger testify. I said oh yes you are. The American people need to hear this. They said no we're not. I have a letter that I'll provide for you for your show that I produced signed by 250 members of Congress. There are only 435 members in the House. This is what year it was it was immediately after 9/11. It's the the hearing that you're talking about where I testified. 250 250 members. I I would say this to you right now. Probably eight of those members signed that letter are in the Senate right now. People like Roger Wicker and Lindsey Graham and Shelley Moore Capital. They were all House members. 250 members of the House signed the letter with me. People like Jack Murtha, people like Dick Army, senior leaders of both parties saying, "We want this team to testify about what they knew." But the deep state didn't want them to testify. And Rumsfeld wouldn't let them testify. They sat in the audience. I testified at a public hearing and I showed the charts that you have now. That's the first time those charts were ever shown. The whole thing is a cover up and that's why I'm here. But but Kurt, so 250 at the time were on your side to want to find out what's going on. I could have got more. I only had a couple 250 members of the House. I have all their signatures. So now So now for for and gentlemen, I'm going to come to you as well. I'm just trying to get this part because I'm going to come back and find out what they told you that you can't get in there. we have we still haven't find out. So let me let me ask this. So Joe Biden at the time would you consider that Joe Biden the eloquent speaker the way he was speaking right there being able to break things down. Would you say he at the time was part of deep state? No. But you know he wasn't in a position of being the president where you have the ability to control the deep state. The leadership in the white house controls what the deep state does and who they are. And the only reason I can say that one more time. Who controls what deep state does? Well, the leadership of the White House. So, the president controls what the deep state does. And the only reason I talked after 18 years and then that's George Bush, though. What? Because Donald Trump took on the 51 people when he denied their security clearances. They're the deep state. All of those 51 were involved in creating a false scenario about Russia inclusion with Trump. Yeah. And I figured I'm going to talk now that Trump's in. And look, my partners today are ex-federal judges, former heads of the FBI. And they all know my story and a lot of military officers know my story. So they can't get away with knocking me off and I know the game. You know, they have needles they insert in people that give them fastm moving cancer. They have ways that they get get you out through accidents. You can do that to me, but it's not going to No, I'm not. Come on. I've had two staffers that both work for the CIA. One was threatened by a former top CIA official worldwide. My st from Florida, John Quirk, who was in charge of anti-money laundering, got a call from this senior CIA retiree, and he said to him, "Why are you helping Kurt Weldon?" And John Quirk said, "Because Kurt Weldon's a patriot." A year later, John Cork died of a fastmoving stomach cancer. Now, I can't prove that they did it, but that's not right in America. Yeah. You know, it's interesting you say that because we had one guy, only one guy I've had on the podcast that I had him on 30 Days Later, and it was Peter Pride. Peter Pry was my staffer. Peter Pry worked for me. Peter Pry wrote this book with me. Peter Pry was my person. I brought Peter from the CIA after 10 years of analysis to work for me. He was my person. Everything I did, I did with Peter Pry. He was the leading guy for EMPs. If I wrote the MP legislation, I credit the MP commission that Peter headed up. Peter Pry was my person. I was working with him when he died. We had Peter Pry on the first time. He looked perfectly healthy. He was healthy. I had such a good conversation with him. I said, "Do you mind coming back a month later?" We had a second conversation with him. Months later, Rob tells me he passed away. Two of them died. They both ex CIA. Now, look, I'm not accusing anybody. All I'm telling you is stop this This is America. Let the people know the truth. There are good people in intelligence, Patrick. I have to say that. I have good friends that do great work for our country and I respect them. But there are scumbags that are sitting on big bank accounts that are making big money and they're making it off the backs of dead soldiers and dead firefighters. I wear this jacket because Ray Downey, the chief of the fire department in New York who got vaporized at 911, gave it to me in 93. I will not stop until those 343 firefighters that were vaporized are vindicated along with the 2,977 other victims and the thousands more that died from our sending troops over to Afghanistan when Bin Laden wasn't in Afghanistan. This madness has got to stop in this country. It's out of control. And I want to get to that on uh where Bin Laden was uh uh when we're going back and there's a whole story with that as well. But if you don't mind, you know, uh, Tony, yeah, for you, you're a, uh, uh, uh, lieutenant colonel. Okay. One of my biggest heroes when I was in the military was a man named Lieutenant Colonel Peacock. He ended up being a general later on, but he was one of my favorite guys I ever worked under when I was at the 100 Airborne. Lieutenant Colonel is a very high ranking place to be, and you've seen a lot. You've talked a lot. You have a lot of things that happened that day. Then Senator Biden today, ex-president Joe Biden says five of them were not allowed to come on today. You were one of the five. I was. What were you told that first you were invited? Who invited you? And then what did they say that you can't come on? Well, let me give a little bit of background context. So, um, being a lieutenant colonel is a bit of this misnomer. That was a part of my cover that happened during the time I was outed by DIA. I'm in something called the military intelligence accepted career program. We go back and forth between being civilians. I'm also a retired GS-14. You can look it up. This is unclassified, but I'm just saying. So what happened was Pat is that um when I came back from Afghanistan after I disclosed my role in the Able Danger operation, I was immediately suspended by Defense Intelligence over nonsense over Who suspended you? Uh the Defense Intelligence Agency. This was in uh the beginning of 2004. Who was the shot caller that did that? Who called the shot? Yeah, it was um major general. I'll think of his name in a second. And uh he was a Marine Corps general. I I'll think of it in a second. Two star general. Two star general. He was the the the the do the director of operations. And at the time the director was Admiral Jacobe. And um when I got suspended, I had some time on my hands because nobody knew what was going on. There was three nonsensical allegations which by the way the army resolved in my favor and I got promoted to lieutenant colonel. You don't get promoted if you have standing at potential adverse actions over you. So the army saw them. It's like congratulations you're being promoted. Defense intelligence used the three same allegations to suspend my clearance and get me fired just saying how wacky that is. And think about that from the business perspective. You're looking at facts and army says yeah this is nonsense. Defense Intelligence who I have the issue with suspend me and fire me over the same allegations. Think about that. We can go through them in greater detail at some point. But Tony, you have to tell the story as to what they were done in Afghanistan when Mueller came through. Well, I'm I'm saying so explain that. So, um, Zelico had Zelico. Zelico, uh, had met with me in Afghanistan. Philip Zelico. Philip Zelico. And who is he? He is the staff director of the 911 commission. Kurt mentioned him earlier. Okay. So, and and when I was undercover, again, this this is hard. This is a bit complicated. When I was undercover in alias in Afghanistan being the director of operations for the clandestine operations in Afghanistan in 2003 is when Zelico came through Bram and he was part of the 911 commission. He and several staffers came through and their task, this is the 9/11 commission task was to do research on uh events before, the day of, and after the 9/11 attacks. They basically wanted to talk to people with firsthand anecdotal information. So, I raised my hand. It's like, "Hey, um, they've probably already heard of this, but I want to talk about Able Danger." And that's this was October of 2003. Um, and so what I'm going to tell you now is what I told them. Able danger was an entrepreneurial concept that was created for the for the purposes of targeting a non uh geographic target, al-Qaeda. Uh, you had Eric Prince on a year ago. Eric's concepts I love Eric. I consider us friends. I hope so. um he believes in entrepreneurial concepts. We did that internally. We were trying to figure out the best and brightest way to go after al-Qaeda in 1999. This is a PMC model. It's it's it actually is a PMC model. I've talked to him about it about it. So, what we did is that um as a reservist, I know you're going to laugh at this. as a a major I was down in Tampa and the DIA rep Al DS uh said go talk this is a major reservist going to brief the commanding general Pete Skoomaker on my on my civilian mission Pete Skoomaker. Pete Skoomaker. General Pete Skoomaker who was commander of special operations command in 1999 to 2000. There he is. So imagine if you will and people have a hard time wrapping their mind around this. A little old reservist major goes in to brief the commanding general of SOCOM on what I do in my my my civilian DIA job. Out of that meeting, Pat, General Schomaker says, "I get him read in to able danger." And I had no idea what that was. Uh so the next day, I think this was August of of 1999, I'm brought down into a secure Yeah. You you guys have your your thing in a bank vault. Well, skiffs are like bank vaults. They're secure facilities within secure facilities. I go down and I'm introduced by to Captain Scott Philpot who's in a lieutenant commander or a commander. And I'm given this big old binder. The binder is about five inches thick. He says, "There you go." And I start reading it. Scott Scott Philpot. Okay. And I start reading it and it is like the e ticket to Disneyland. We're going downtown to go after al-Qaeda. This is a suite. This is a concept to go and and conduct offensive offensive operations against the growing threat. Remember you talked about the value judgment of of what you invest in. We had already been hit twice in Africa from al-Qaeda. And there there was a recognition that that was a growing threat. So secretly, General uh Hugh Shelton, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, you can bring him up. Hugh Hugh Shelton was chairman of the joint chiefs in 99 had tasked Pete Schoomaker with Able Danger. Able Danger was a a campaign plan. You you're a business guy. So you guys do campaigns, right? Figure out resources. You figure out objectives. You sign them. You sign uh resources to tasks to potential outcomes. That's what Able Danger was. It was all an entrepreneurial concept that Yes. So the the so when when did able danger start? 999 late 99 it was so it has nothing to do with 911. No. Well it gets there. Let me get you there. So Able Danger was the offensive concept off the books. Remember you see in the movies all the time the euphemism of off the books. We were off the books operation. But if I'm not mistaken was under it was under Eric Kleinmith's No, no. I'll get to Eric. I'll get to Eric. Eric had no idea. He is, a matter of fact, he's never been read into everything we did. So my so I'm right into the project and my job is to develop access for purposes of weaponized technology. This again, think offensively. This is before 9/11 and we're tasked to go kill al-Qaeda before 911. Think about the Now this is the problem with the whole thing. Prevent preventative measures. Bingo. Yes. This is this is why they want to distract with the chart constantly, Pat. We This is why they were upset with me testifying. Uh you remember the Israeli OP, the pager op, Pat? Of course, they weren't the first ones to think about that. Just saying. I have to be careful about where I'm going because we have to I'm still trying to get permission from the Pentagon to talk about my role. My role in Able Danger to this day has never been disclosed. I've been said to be the coordinator. I've been a reservist. My role was so highly classified, he probably remembers this, I was waved at in closed hearings with Kurt. I was waved off by the staff director of the House Armed Service Committee because I couldn't talk about my role. He was literally in the back of the room saying, "Don't say that. You can't say that." So to this day, they've we have never talked about and I'm still trying to get permission to talk about it. Anyway, suffice it to say that what I was doing in my civilian job was what we wanted to introduce to the able danger operation as one of the offensive options. And this is the key. This wasn't about waiting till something happened. This was about us, Pete Skoomaker, putting together a team, the best and the brightest, to put together options for the chairman of the joint chiefs, Hugh Shelton, to go do something before 911. And those that was the whole project. That was the concept. This the idea was Pat, we knew they were coming. We put together a team that would be invested in doing things that have never been done before. And oh, by the way, how do you target something that's never been targeted? How do you do something relating to a non-geographic target, a a a transnational target? Data mining. At the time, nobody knew about it. Remember, this is 99. This is before anybody understood the power of the internet. So when I'm tasked to to help them figure out how do we go about targeting all the ranch Pete Schumaker called it the ranch the special operations command ranch that includes the secret army of Northern Virginia Delta you know rangers it's the options that were available for us to do something and oh by the way the other thing key about this this was Able Danger was the first time special operations command was ever the supported sink this is important because that means they were the lead they were the ones asking the other regional sinks to help them. It was huge. This was groundbreaking. I just pulled up and I asked, "What was the original purpose of Able Danger?" Mission objective number one, map al-Qaeda's global network. The team used open source intelligence, public records, website news, and advanced data analysis to tools to construct link charts of suspected terrorists and and their connections. Number two, identify terrorist cells in the US. Able Danger reportedly flagged individuals later tied to 9/11 including Muhammad Ata based on behavior patterns, travel records, and communication metadata. Number three, provide operational intelligence to military planners. The goal was to preemptively disrupt terror plots through actionable intelligence passed to agencies like the FBI and the CIA. That's it. So, so I got this task and it's like, what do I do? I knew Leewa was experimenting with data mining. And I'll let Eric talk take over here because we had no way to map al-Qaeda. So, this is a long way to answering your question. I know Pat, but you need to understand the picture of what got us into the room. I guess what I want to know is who told you you can't be in the hearing. Who called and said you're out? The Senate. So, DoD leadership, Army leadership said you can't go in. I was the Senate is the one that How far before How far before the hearing did they say that? an hour before, a day before, that that morning that morning I was in you can pull up pictures of the hearing. I'm in uniform standing right next to the ch right next to the charts there, right? If you if you if you bring up if you Google uh able danger Senate hearing 2005, it should come up with a number of time life pictures that show all of us together. Uh where I'm in the back row next to to JD Smith who's going to become Yeah, here we go. Right there. See, I'm right there. I see you. There's Russ Queso. There's Kurt. There's JD Smith. And I think you you're there somewhere, right? I'm hiding behind one of the maps. So, so, so we were going to lay out everything I'm laying out to you right now. We were going to lay out in great detail. And then so this is where to answer your question, what I was going to do is build the case of why. And by the way, Pat, one key thing to remember, we weren't supposed to find what we found. We were off the books. We were looking at al-Qaeda from a fresh perspective. None of us were experts on on on this issue. I would argue that we became a dangling participle, an inconvenient organization that saw what the deep state was doing and that's why they came after us. Did any one of you at the time have a relationship with the president? President Trump currently president? No. No. Did you have a relation later before you show anything? The reason I'm sharing this is Rob, do you have a clip of President Trump on Morning Joe Scarbor? I don't know if you guys have seen this or not. Morning Joe is doing a show and they're talking about a book that he wrote that came 19 months before 911. And just listen to Morning Joe's reaction to this. Go for it. BuzzFeed dug up an old quote from Donald Trump. Talking about a largecale terror attack 19 months before 9/11. In his 2000 book, The America We Deserve, Trump wrote, "I really am convinced we're in danger of the sort of terrorist attacks that will make the bombing of the 1993 trade center look like little kids playing with firecrackers." Trump also mentioned the mastermind of the attack, writing, quote, "One day, we're told that a shadowy figure with no fixed address named Osama bin Laden is public enemy number one, and US jet fighters lay waste to his camp in Afghanistan. He escapes back under some rock and a few new cycles later, it's onto a new enemy and a new crisis. Trump, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay, hold on a second. Is this really Trump before 9/11? Have you read this? It's 2000 in his book. Are we making somebody Did you make this up, Ma? Nick, I did. Did you make this up? Nick, tell us it's over, right? Because about everything. Ma, stop. Got it. I think it's over. What's that? What's the rage? This is real. I think it's real. What do you think about the fact that Robbie can posit? What do you think about the fact that the president said this 19 months before 911? I I think wise people understood what was forming because we were told by the chairman of the joint chiefs to go look at this. And one of the notable things about this, now full disclosure, I know President Trump. I was a national security adviser of the Trump 2020 campaign. So I do have, you know, and I did meet him way later in 20 I think 15. But I think he had a sense like many of us that something was brewing. And and and to continue your point to answer your question, when I was the the coordinator of trying to pull the team together behind the scenes, I took the able danger team to land information warfare activity at Fort Belvore, Virginia. And that's where Eric comes into it. They were doing an extraordinary job of again, look at the time frame 998 999 2000. Pat, nobody knew the power of big data. And so we were the first operational unit to actually use a combination of open source, closed source. Part of my job was to actually combine the top secret piece. My one of my deputies, Theresa McWain, Lieutenant Colonel McWain, brought the NSA database down to Garland, Texas to combine them together to do this overall targeting to combi, you know, basically combine things. This was a major effort. And again, before I let Eric One second, before I turn it over to Eric, remember we're talking about a massive investment of resources as you as a businessman would recognize as a priority. Yet somehow they they they reduced it down to a map that of a chart they couldn't find to dismiss everything we did because they were so desperate to focus on one thing and push us away. Okay. Okay. So now, Eric, where you come in here as an army major intelligence officer, you're the one that was at you testified uh before Congress and were ordered to destroy 2 and 1/2 terabytes of data, right? So, you know exactly what's in that data. It it was well, yes and no. Because before the destruction, we were giving a cease and desist order down through DoD to stop what you're doing because you're violating intelligence oversight rules on how you collected that information, which is not true. Well, there was no violation. Right. Right. There one of the problems that Yeah, that was me much a much younger me. Nice time. But what you what we what we learned again we were running several different operations. This was a very you uh young organization. It only it was only I think two years old by the time uh this this start this started up. Uh I was the first military chief of intell chief of the intelligence branch. So it's an operational unit designed to help the army or support the army in in fighting information warfare, information operations, psychological deception, operational security, that kind of thing. So we had operational teams but I had a 24 person intel branch within that group and we were getting because of the power that we were given with these new data mining tools and and I'm telling you they were bleeding edge. it was we were we were doing a lot of things that we were making mistakes along the way. Um, I got called in one morning because apparently I had uh conducted a denial of service attack against DIA and then then now NGA, their their proxy server shut shut the whole thing down only because we were we were we were uh we were training a harvesting tool to to pick up different information and it hit DIA on a classified network and started harvesting the entire agency. And so, you know, denial service, they shut the whole thing down. So I got blamed, you know, I I got called out on the carpet for that one morning. That's that's what I mean that like the types of technology we were trying to wrestle with and and and figure out once we had gotten those down and it was a great combination of of the data that we were bringing in, the tools that we're using, but also more importantly the people and the processes that that we had put in place and the folks that that I was that I had uh assigned to different tasks. We had first done an operation using data mining to show Department of Defense how our technology was being stolen uh specifically by China and some other countries and we were able to map it out by using a single technology as a sample. Um that became a firestorm because it was it had gotten leaked that we were doing this work. Uh we received a subpoena from Congressman Dan Burton that he wanted all that information. So we spent a weekend making 30,000 copies to deliver it by, you know, a a data set on paper to do that. But that got us on the map and that's where why Tony came to Is this anywhere? Is this two and a half terabytes anywhere right now? Does anybody have access to this right now? No. And and here's 100% no one has it. No. I think it may I think it may exist. Here's here's the rub because I it was myself and and one of my warrant officers, Warren officer analysts who was on the team. Um, we had to have a deep discussion because we were told, you know, if you're collecting information that has that has information about US persons from an intelligence standpoint. I mean, they beat this regulation into your head every every year as a requirement. So, we were warned. Oh, by the way, all this stuff that you had collected, and it wasn't just one chart, it was dozens of charts. We had dozens of connections. We had cells in northern uh northern Africa. We had cells in the Middle East. We had cells in the Far East. And then we started seeing sales pop up within the US. My hometown of Plymouth, Michigan popped up as a potential operation, a a a front organization that was using my little hometown outside of Detroit to funnel money into the organization. So it was more than just al-Qaeda al-Qaeda. So it wasn't just operatives. It was an entire support. Is there But is there enough information here where you know who was behind 9/11? Well, can I add something real quick? Yeah. We were we had a person that was actually monitoring global movement of in individuals of interest via mosques. All the mosques. Okay. Eleand uh Moguliner. She did a three-hour interview for my oral history which has ever been released. I'm the only one that has the interview. And the DoD IG in interviewed her and then basically proceeded to not ask her a single question about what we're about to talk about. Eric was provided via uh Orion Scientific as the source detailed data about individuals moving between mosques. So it wasn't simply big data. It was the fact that we were targeting down to the mosque level which makes it hugely controversial. You and I can agree that there's a bigger story here. The bigger bigger story in the Congress is that I was funding their program as the chairman of the R&D subcommittee. I would go down to Fort Belvoir because all the services were standing up information dominance centers. The air force, the navy and the army. The armies of the Fort Belvoir. I was impressed with what they were doing. They were using software like Starlight and Spires and others that no one else was using. John Hamry was the deputy secretary of defense. I suggested John, you go down and see what your people are doing. He went down. They'll tell you he went down because of me. He looked at it and he said, called me and said, you Mr. Chairman, you're absolutely right. We need this capability far beyond what the army's using it for. We need this capability. I proposed establishing a data fusion center that would not just be for the army or DoD would be for the entire government. So John Hamry suggested to me, Congressman, I will support and manage it either at the White House or at the Pentagon, but you've got to convince the FBI and the CIA to allow us to use their raw data because of the big behemoths. There are 33 classified systems. So on November the 4th of 1999, a date I'll never forget, I had John Hamry in my office, I had the deputy director of the FBI, the deputy director of the CIA, and I handed them a proposal to create the Noah, National Operations and Analysis Hub, Policymaker and War Fighters tool to deal with emerging transnational terrorist threats. I didn't write that. Friends in intel wrote it for me. John Hamry said, "It's a great idea. We need it. I'll manage it." I said, "I'll get it funded." The FBI said, "It's great. we'll support it. And the CIA said, "We don't want it. We're doing something called CI21." The big question for 911 is why did the CIA not want to be a part of a fusion center that the defense defense deputy secretary of defense wanted? I was going to fund FBI was supporting a two years before 911. The biggest criticism after 911 was the lack of fusion of intelligence data. That's what they were doing. And that recommendation was two years prior. And that recommendation was based on what these folks were doing. Eric, Tony, Eileen Pricer, Scott Philpot, and all the others, JD Smith that were a part of the Able Danger team. That's the big story. And he didn't know about us. I didn't know the details until 911. They brought the charts in and I took him right to the White House. You don't know about Abel Danger? I didn't know that. I didn't get rid of the program. I didn't need to. I knew they were using software. We to do uh you know. So you got When's the first time you guys met? Uh when I Oh, so I was I knew who they were. I was down there several times. Yeah. Well, you didn't. Well, let me explain. So, we were under SOCOM. We were using the army and Eric can explain. The army wanted to pull out. By the way, army did not like the fact we were using their technology for our operations. So, um why why wouldn't they? Because well I you want to explain that part of it is when you're doing data mining you're harvesting everything for to intelligence collectors are very restricted I mean on what we can collect when the US persons comes up but when a tool does it it gets everything and so you have to you you have to be able to go through that and excise all the information about US persons this is a throwback from Vietnam days and pike and church committee 75 that kind of stuff so They wrote these regulations for intel collection, but they never updated them. Well, again, because we were the first data mining operation, we weren't intelligence. I know this is going to sound weird. We were doing our effort under title 10. Title 10 is known as traditional military activities. That's why I went to Kurt as armed services, not intelligence to ask for money for the Navy. Well, you didn't come to me. Yes, I did. No, you didn't. I was funding it through the RD later. Yeah. Later. I mean, so so and I plused up their funding wherever they wanted, but I didn't need to get read in. It wasn't until 9/11 I get these frantic phone calls on my cell phone from him, from Eileen Pricer, from Scott Philpot. We have to meet you right away. I meet with them on 911 and they roll out the charts. That's the first time I knew that they had identified all the al Qaeda cells in advance of 911. That's when I found out. I took it right down to the White House to Steve Hadley. I called Rice's deputy. I said, "I've got to see you right away." I said, he said, "We're under attack." I said, "I have to see you." I took Dan Burton with me. Dan Burton was chairman of the oversight committee. And I took Chris Sha's I rolled out the charts and Steve Hadley, deputy national security adviser, said to me, "Where did you get these from?" I said, "Steve, I've been telling you since you came into office in January, that this team was the cutting edge. The Clinton administration ignored it. You didn't take any action on it. And this is what developed by them." And he said to me, "I've got to show this to the man." I said, "The man, who was the man at the time?" the president, George Bush. He said, "I've got to show it to the took the charts." And when in subsequent questions of Steve Hadley, he has acknowledged that I gave him charts, but he says, "I can't remember what those charts were." When I met with Seymour Hirs, Seymour Hirs told me those charts are still on the hard drive at the NSA. That was five years ago. Hi, I'm Kurt Weldon, uh teacher, firefighter, uh father of five, family man, uh who spent 20 years in the Congress after serving as mayor and county chairman of my county in suburban Philadelphia. Uh my intent is to give experiences and information, knowledge about the 104 countries that I led delegations to during my 20 years in the Congress and all of the work that I did on behalf of America's firefighters and first responders traveling around the country. If you'd like to connect with me, connect or connect and I will get back to you. So my point to I'm trying to make to underscore what Curt is saying. We were an operational unit that was designed to go do something. We weren't an intelligence unit. Although we were intelligence officers, we were doing operations. It's it's called J3 versus J2. And that was one of the controversial points because we didn't recognize the limits on US citizens because we didn't have to traditional military activities. Title 10 is what George Washington did during the Continental War, the Continental Army, what they did. And so that was one of the controversial points. But the bottom line is Kurt funded the advanced technology that we SOCOM figured out how to get and use. That technology then used by by Eric put together the the the series of charts which then became the basis for the plans we were using. Are those the charts? Those are some of the charts. Yes. Those are the two primary charts. They're they're in they're not they're the charts that I was given by them. The original charts went to Bush in the White House. So what conclusion did you guys come up with? Because we still haven't talked about it, right? What conclusion did you come up with what happened? Here's the best example. Read this book. This is not them. Forget them. This is this is the book about our one of our top military generals who was on horseback. He had like 9,000 soldiers under his command. And this book, Keith Labor, I never met General Lambert. I don't, but I may be admitted him. This book was a New York Times bestseller and a movie. On page 27, he's asked, "What were your thoughts when 911 happened?" And General Lambert says in his own words, you can read it. Within seconds, I knew who had done the attack. I don't involve Muhammad Ada because I have been briefed on a top secret army intelligence program. That's Able Danger. None of that's in the 911 commission report and that proves that what they were doing identified Muhammad. It it basically calls everyone else a liar because General Lambert says it in his book that he knew within seconds Muhammad was involved in 911 and Louisie Free said afterwards that if he'd had the information we could have prevented 911 from happening. By the way, he was one of the individuals that the IG the dodig refused to interview. Why? You're you're you're a guy that has to make investments. If you have someone who's a principal actor in a company uh who has a major role, wouldn't you go and interview them before uh anything else to figure out what's going on? He was Lambert was the chief of operations and they refused they DODIG during the time that he asked them to investigate our claims. They refused to talk to Lambert to this day to this day. So, so on the evening of 911, we were all on the phone with each other because we knew it was coming. We had deep conversations. the entire time we were running this operation that we knew something was coming. So 9/11 happens, we're all talking to each other and the watch phrase was so it begins. We knew this was coming out and that was you know you knew this was coming. We knew it was coming. We were trying to you knew 9/11 was going to happen. We knew something we knew something was coming. They were coming offensively and they they had already established a deep footprint. What were some of the things that you guys were speculating that could take place? Well, was it 9/11? You wouldn't you you wouldn't sit there and say, "Guys, someone's about to attack World Trade Center." Was that it or was it No. Someone's going to attack White House Pentagon. Did you guys have the 510 targets that you thought they're going to attack? We knew where the cells were at, right? We knew where they physically were hanging out. We linked them. They different clusters. One was New York, one was Maryland, and the other one was Florida, as I recall. And they were all clustered. We had individuals linked to the al-Qaeda leadership. Those are the top three. New Jersey. New Jersey. New Jersey. New York, New Jersey, DC, Florida, Florida. Let me add one more thing, Pat. One of the top FBI international leaders confirmed to me in writing that two of the terrorists in the 9/11 attack were on the payroll of the CIA at the time. Yeah. I'll repeat that again. Two of the terrorists on 911 were on the CIA payroll at the time. And after 911, there were between 40 and 50 employees that were reprimanded. Why has none of that been told to the American people? Why was none of that investigated by the 911 commission? Why is this cover up occurring when all of these the biggest loss of life in American history on our soil? And it's like we're a bunch of fifth graders. It's outrageous. Has it been documented that they were on payroll? Like because I know the internet is going to say no. There is no evidence that the claim that the terrorists were on CIA. While it's true that CIA had information on two of the hijackers, Nafal al-Hazimi and Khaled al Midhar before the attacks and there have been criticism of how the CIA handled information, but there's no indication that they were important to come out and just tell that on the record without some congressional investigation. I mean, cut me away. There's a Well, there's an Let me add something to the picture that we can't I can't talk about in detail yet. I'm trying to There's three things I'm trying to get declassified by the Pentagon right now. my specific role enable danger relating to what we're talking about. I still can't talk about it, believe it or not. The other thing is there's an investigative organization that's run by DoD that has found the link you're talking about here to the CIA guys, and they're I'll let them speak for themselves, but they're they're they're working right now to to get approval to come public on what they have. and and I've talked to their senior investigator and he has said they have confirmed the link between uh uh Almadard has has has whatever his name I'm terrible with names to the CIA. The only solution is a new a not a new a presidential commission to investigate everything about 9/11 and on that commission no politicians no members of Congress. It's got to be people with integrity who are willing to take it to wherever it goes because we're only scratching the surface. So, let me tell you what I did because again, I want to know when when you think about stories like this, you go and and the stuff that we know. What do we know? We hear the story about Larry Silverstein, right? We've all heard the story about the fact that he buys a massive insurance policy that in case two planes or, you know, attack the plane, he gets two times the amount of whatever it is and then he gets $3.5 billion. And the day that he always has breakfast on the World Trade Center, he doesn't end up having breakfast that day. and how much money paid out to uh him when you pull up the number it's public info you can pull up five billion I think I I saw three and a half 4.55 billion so Larry San Francisco released the World Trade Center just six weeks before 91 received a 4.55 billion auto insurance payout following the destruction of the world trade center and added a cause for terrorism in the insurance policy yeah insurance dispute 911 service argued that the two planes impact constituted two separate terrorist attacks thus seek seeking doubling the policy limits court ruled the battle Uh the legal battle over whether the tax counted on one or two occurrences lasted years. In 2004, a jury ruled that some insurers had to pay double while others just paid one final payout $4.55 billion. Yeah, that we know. Huge money. That's strange. Okay, that doesn't include building seven either. That doesn't include building seven. The other thing that's strange is you talk about George Bush. You know Epstein when they go to his house, there's two paintings that they see there, right? The painting is the one with uh Bill Clinton in that blue dress which is Monica Lewinsky's dress saying I got you or something like that. Then the other painting they see is Rob. If you can go to the other one which is kind of weird is this one with President Bush right there. He's playing Jenga and they're down and he's holding one plane and the other one is already down. That's a weird painting. Who would have a painting like that in their house? That's a very strange painting. Right. I think I think it's a clue. I think it's a clue. What is these people don't do this stuff without a reason? Think about that. Is it the clue or is it to say that I own the two of you? Is it Epstein's way of saying I own two of you or is it just a clue? Because both because if I'm a if I'm a friend of Epstein, I'm like, what are you doing putting a painting like that on the wall when people are coming to your house, they're seeing a painting like that? It's it could be it's not mutually exclusive. It could be both. It could be true a clue. I don't think we should speculate about paintings. I think we should focus on facts to get us a new commission. All I'm saying that's why people will say that this but but the part but the to the average person this is either a very dark painting which it is this is either you have two presidents who had the two biggest controversies during that time Monica Lewinsky and 911 and you have a painting on the wall and you're epste and the claims about bribery and how much stuff you had on people. It's kind of weird. Let me continue a couple. So I went on chat GB10 and I asked the question. I said tell me the strange facts in the 911 commission that we all know about strange facts that they had in this big ass 911 commission that they had. I give you the 15 million versus 30 million. 15 million they spent on 9/11 even though 2977 people died and ended up costing us $8 trillion. Monica 30 million. Well they don't mention the Gilmore Commission at all. Do you know what the Gilmore Commission is? Tell me about it. After 93 attack and I was up at the trade center and I got a call from Mario Cuomo. thanking me for my work. I wrote the legislation creating the Gilmore Commission. Virginia Governor Jim Gilmore chaired the Gilmore Commission. Jim's a man of integrity. Ray Downey was on the commission. The Gilmore Commission wrote five reports. Five reports before 911. Those reports were the bulk of the recommendations made by the 911 commission after the fact. The Gilmore The 911 Commission doesn't even talk about the Gilmore Commission. That was before 911. This is the one that was presented to Clinton, Bush, and Bolton. Rob, can you pull up that one story? I wrote it. Do you know the article from ABC News that we have? Yes. Have you guys seen this one here, which is kind of a you like if you wanted to create an instance to go to war. They wrote the playbook of what to do to go to war. Because the other argument is what? $8 trillion, 2.3 at Afghanistan, 2.3 in Iraq. And don't forget when who was it that told us they're missing $2.3 trillion in the Pentagon's money? Don Rumsel said that. So it's so funny that 2.3 is Iraq, 2.3 is Afghanistan, and he says 2.3 trillion is missing. Those, you know, the, you know, those three numbers shouldn't be matching that correctly. This is it, Rob. This is Donald Rumsfeld talking about the missing 2.3 trillion the day before 911 on September 10th. fail to adapt and the fact that they can fail and die is what provides the incentive to survive. But governments can't die. So we need to find other incentives for bureaucracy to adapt and improve. The technology revolution has transformed organizations across the private sector, but not ours. Not fully, not yet. Rob, can you go straight to the 2.3? We are, as they say, from floor to floor in this building because it's stored on dozens of trillion dollars a little bit back estimates. We cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions. Kind of weird to say that, right? Gilmore, the Gilmore Commission, Rob, that ABC story. Do you have that? Yes. So, this is this is a were 1998 memos a blueprint for a war? This is ABC News. I don't know if you've seen this or not. This is an article written in 03. In March 10, years before George W. Bush entered the White House and years before September 11 attack set the direction of his presidency, a group of influential neoonservatives hatched a plan to get Saddam Hussein out of power. The group's project of the new American century or PNAC was founded in 97. Among its supporters were three Republican officials who were sitting in out uh sitting out with President Bill Clinton, Donald Rumsl, Dick Cheney, and Paul Wolf Wolfitz uh in an open letter to Clinton. In the GOP congressional letter uh uh the next year, the group called for the removal of Saddam Hussein regime from power and a shift towards a more assertive US policy in the Middle East, including the use of force, if necessary, to unseat Saddam and in report just before 200 election that would bring Bush to power. The group predicted that the shift would come about slowly unless there were some catastrophic and catalyzing event like Pearl Harbor, like a new Pearl Harbor. This is ABC News. Go a little bit lower, Rob. This that event on 9/11. By that time, Cheney was vice president. Ronto was secretary of defense on Wolfeitz was the deputy of Pentagon. The next morning before it was clear who was behind the attacks, Rumsfeld insisted that a cabinet meeting with Saddam Iraq should be a principal target of the first round of terrorism according to Bob Woodward's books D and you know the rest. So, let me add something to that comment. But that wasn't a Gilmore Commission. Those are two separate things. So, totally totally totally nothing to do with each But uh January of 2001, the options for us to go after al-Qaeda is briefed to the chairman of the joint chiefs, Hugh Shelton. That is to say, every all the culmination of our work is briefed to the chairman of the joint chiefs. We are directed to stand down in January, right as Bush the Bush team comes in. When Bush comes in, the Able Danger project is stood down. Right. When Bush comes in, the Able Danger project is put down. That's right. I have to jump in. Now, you're saying something that he's gonna dispute. No, I'm gonna say there's data that and Eric, I think, will confirm this. The data removal in Garland that you talked about earlier was I think partly caused by the fact that when John Hamry went down at my request to get a view of what they were doing, John Hamry tked them to run a special profile of Chinese acquisition of our technology. Am I right or wrong, Eric? Yes, that was before before AEL danger. So they did a run off the for for the deputy director of defense. Um and that information now listen carefully came up with the names of Condisa Rice and several other prominent American leaders. Am I right or wrong? Yes. When that came up, Washington's beltway shook because here was the Able Danger team coming up with data in their data mining system regarding China that American officials had helped steer the Chinese to acquire our technology. Dan Burton, chairman of the oversight committee, issued subpoenas. That's when they told Eric to destroy all the data. Am I right, Eric? No, that that was a different effort. That was we had he had subpoenaed it so we had to make copies of it and send it to Capitol Hill. It wasn't but the rest of it you destroyed I guess but the yeah then in November is when the able danger started. It was in March uh spring the next year that we were given the cease and desist and while that was going on when you collect information about US persons even if it's incidental which is the tools you know you don't you know you can't read two and a half terabytes first with data with the human eye in that time. So 90 days hits, we're required to delete all that. And since we were given a cease and desist order, the clock's still ticking. The 90 days hit. I had a lawyer come down from my command says, "Hey, here's your day. Delete the data or go to jail." And I had to sit with one of my warrant officers. We had a deep moral discussion on should we hide some of it? Should we just put some on a removable hard drive and hide it in a file cabinet? And we ended up deleting all of it. And that's that's about the worst day you could ever spend in the military knowing now in hindsight that you know you you're now the guy that could have prevented 911 and there was also some sensitive data and names that came up in the work that you done for right and so here's so here's the issue and this is I'll give you an example for what we did when the the FBI came down we're talking to about able dangers we gave them a car dealership in Morocco that was used as a front organization We gave them here's a car dealership was who was them? Uh the FBI we had some FBI agents that showed up. They said we want a car dealership in Morocco. Right. So it was just you know the front was the business but in the back we we were we knew the people that were associated with were funneling information in. The first question the bureau asked is or the agents there is like well where'd you find this? And what we showed them was well here's the hit that we got on unclassified information. And it was this really wild Michigan militia conspiracy where theorist website that said, you know, the the FBI is trying to arm the KGB in northern Michigan and take over Upper Peninsula. Chelsea Clinton's real father is Webster Hubble. And then there's this car dealership used as a front organization. And so, you know, this is what I mean by raw. It's all it was all in the same who Chelsea Clinton's real father comes out. Yes. Story we've all read about the the web page that the tool hit had this on the page. And so we're showing this to the bureau and this is all this is what I mean the difference between raw intelligence versus what comes out of an agency which has to be peer-reviewed and edited and screened and then produced into a a very slick product. We were feeding raw information out to you know Congressman Weldon out to pay out to all who filters it out to get credibility. What's that? Who filters out the raw open source to get credibility? I had my own I mean I had a small shop of 24 analyst. So we were doing it on a very small level but it wasn't the you know the size of you know we're not the 40,000 people that work at NSA or or whatever. So we got 24 people working in the second floor basement of this organization. So the bureau looks at this and says, "You guys are a bunch of cracks." Even though we were able to show additional information that corroborated it and showed them right there, it didn't matter. It was the fact that we, you know, you just squandered your credibility because what you saw as the tip off got it came out. So So did you end up finding out if Hubble is the real father? You know what? Yeah. I don't even We We don't We don't touch We didn't even touch that stuff. That that was and again that's the problem is when you go after stuff with after the patriot everything's on the table now. So so so so but but going back to it again. So here's what I just did. I went online and I said what was Dick Cheneyy's net worth before 911? Okay $19 million. What was Rumsfeld net worth before 911? $50 million. I don't know what it is today but when you think about the financial motivation Dick Cheney Hallebert and Ties he was a CEO of it from 1995 to 2000. owned a ton of shares, had a lot of shares in a blind trust that he couldn't sell while he was serving, but he did sell it afterwards. How much money was made? I'm sure a lot. Yeah. Millions, right? Millions. And then when you go look at Donald Rumsel ties, you see the ties that he has served on boards of major companies. ABB, a defense contract, a Guild scientist, a pharmaceutical company with government ties, and a Rand Corporation was which is a defense think tank, right? And you see how that money is made because you want a change story? Go for it. I took the first delegation bipartisan to Libya in 25 years to support George Bush when he said that Gaddafi wanted to give up his weapons. I took three Democrats and two other Republicans and the state the the White House tried to stop me. I was going to visit the troops in Iraq but we we got a plane and we went to Tripoli for two days. Uh our meeting with Gaddafi was always at the end and I met with him three times. But on that first trip, they took us out to this man-made reservoir where Gaddafi had built this water system of pure water for the people in the desert. That's me. I was printing an American flag on him after I gave the speech to the entire country. Joe Biden came with me on that trip. He was with me with me. Wasn't his trip. It was my trip. So, um, they showed us this man-made water system and I said, "How did the pipe was like 14t high?" I said, "How did you build that pipe? You've been our sanctions for 25 years. Oh, Congressman, we didn't we didn't build that pipe. Well, who did you buy it from? You've been under sanctions by the US and Europe for at least the last two decades. Did you buy it from Russia? No. Did you buy it from China? No. Well, who'd you buy it from? We bought it from a company called Hallebertton. You understand what I'm saying? They bought it from Hallebertton while they were under sanctions by the US. And while Dick Cheney was a leader of Hallebertton, I served with Dick Cheney in the House. What was he like? Well, all I'm telling you is I'm disgusted with what I found out about Dick Cheney by now. And for him to come out and say anything about Donald Trump is an absolute disgusting joke. Look at all the money he has. And his daughter ought to go out and talk about that just like he canceled the V22 for the Marine Corps. I led the fight to save that platform, which is why I was so close because Al Gray came to me, the commod of the Marine Corps. And General Jim Jones had me flying the first V22 with him when we delivered to the Pentagon because I was the leader to save it along with Carl Lean from Illinois, a Democrat. These people that make money behind the scenes off of decisions that kill US troops and kill US firefighters are disgusting. And somebody's got to stand up and say, "Enough's enough. Let's take back control of our country. And again, I'm not saying a blanket thing about all intel. I'm saying it about the people who are out for themselves. But what do you think happened on 911? What do I what I what I know happened on 911 was we could have prevented it. And number two, what happened all I work very closely with the architects and engineers. You've had them on. Yes. I work closely with them with the families of 911. I work closely with the firefighters. The most poignant story, you ought to show it on a tape, is when fire deputy chief Oreal Palmer, one of the most decorative firefighters in the city, takes his his unit to the first building. He climbs, he gets in an elevator. He's got all his equipment on, 40 pounds of gear with his team. They go up 40 floors in an elevator while the planes have already hit. He gets off the elevator and you hear him say in the microphone, "We're on the 40th floor. Everything's okay. We're going to walk up. He gets on the 50th floor. It's okay. We're going up higher. He gets on the 60th floor. It's okay. We're going up. He Oreo Palmer, Battalion Chief, reaches the 78th floor. The floor of impact, comes out of the stairwell, and you hear him say, "As clear as day, we're here. The floor of impact. We've got two fires and we can handle them. And the building collapses in within one minute. Get out of here. No, that's true. Every American needs to listen to Oreo Palmer. Is that the video? The video is on Bravo 7. Can you play that, Rob? Yeah. Listen to his voice. We'll meet up at you. You get over to the help operation one 79. We're about the stairs going up to 79. All right, I'm on my way up. 15 ov to [Music] 15 operation tower one in the elevator in the elevator shaft. You're going to have to get a different elevator. We're chopping through the wall and get out. Maybe I'll be command with that tower one. [Music] Think about it. Everybody down. Holy What happened? Oh Oh my god. The whole Oh my god. The World Trade Center just fell. The whole world the firefighters in New York deserve better than this, Patrick. Yeah. I mean, there's no question about that. So, you were saying that, but again, question. Why did 911 happen? I I don't want to speculate. I think it'll become it already is the biggest nightmare in the history of the country. Can you can you at least do the following? Can we at least for the viewer Tony, whichever one of you guys is comfortable doing this, I'd want to look at it like this. When a crisis happens, we sit there and we say it's either this, it's either this, it's either this, it's either that, or it's either this. And we tie percentages to it. I think there's a 40% chance it was this. I think there's a 3% chance it was this. I think there's a 13% chance it was this. What are five things, Tony, you think it could have been the reason for 9/11? Let me ask you a question before I give you the five things. Why would you stand down a cuttingedge black special operations unit in January of 2001, right before you know there are threats from that very target located within the United States? Why would you do that? Who who is you? The inbound Bush administration, Bush 43. Why would the Bush administration in January of 2001 as they're coming into office stop because there's evidence because of the basically what um I I'll answer your question, but I want to make sure you get we get this into the conversation. when uh what's his name? Went to the National Archives and took stuff out in his socks. Sandy Ber stole When Sandy Burger When Sandy Burger went into the National Archives, he stole a bunch of things, put it in his underwear, in his socks. That he stole he stole five documents. He stole five documents. One of those documents was regarding the existence of able danger. I can't prove that. I don't think any I have we have I think we have a source. who was President Clinton's adoption going to plead guilty Friday to taking classified documents from the National Archives and cutting them up with scissors. Now, he stuffed them in his underwear and socks. He he he stole five documents. He got outside. The inspector general for the archives called him and he lied. That's a felony. He committed 11 felonies. One of Clinton's lawyers cut a deal. The deal was he plead guilty to 11 felonies. I went I'm the only person that got in the archives after that in August of '06 before they took me out. I said, "I want to see what we think Burger stole." Part of it was the Millennium Afteraction report by John Ashcraftoft, which you can get. We don't know exactly what Burger stole, but he didn't want the 9/11 Commission to be able to include what he had. It may have been able danger. We don't know. But the fact is, and I said this on the House floor, Sandy Burgerer was a traitor. If you stole one archive, you'd be in jail. His, you know what his uh sentence was? 11 felonies and he gets one misdemeanor. No jail time. One misdemeanor. And it was pre 911 intelligence. That's what Tonyy's referring to. It says it right here. The five documents. One of them the Millennium After Review. The second one is uh analyze how the US handled the foil terrorist plots around the 2000 including threats linked to al-Qaeda. The review contained assessment of the US vulnerabilities, intelligence coordination failures, and recommendations for preventing terrorist attacks. Uh Burgerer took five copies of the same document, not five documents, reportedly destroying three of them. He claimed he removed them to prepare testimony before 911 commission not to conceal wrongdoing. The original of the documents remain in the archives. Only annotated or draft copies were taken. I don't believe that. That's not true. I was there. I went to the archives and the CIA told my staff, "Tell your boss uh not to be very careful what he's looking at." And I told him, "The CIA doesn't control what I look at. I'm a member of Congress." Again, why would not why would you not want to have a full investigation of this? Just saying. I would want to, but when you said in January, if you knew the special ops, why would you put a stop to it? Right. So, so Bush gets elected January 20th, 2001. So, the way I would process that, if you're saying in January, that means it's in the last 11 days of January. Is that fair? Because he's not president yet, right? Then he's not making a decision. Somebody else is making a decision for him because what he's doing is he's it's his first term. He's probably asking, "What do you guys think? What do you think? What do you think?" I think he we should do this. You're a rookie that just got in. I'm not saying he made the decision. I'm saying though that when you're briefed on a capability that clearly Condisa Rice and others said, "Oh, we we knew something was coming a little bit." You know, they were they were all these memos. And that's the mystery we've asked to be told too because we were stood down. We were trying to say, as Kurt indicated, something's happening. We need to be on top of this. Captain Scott Philpot was calling me constantly to go around his chain so we could reactivate this. He was actually I had a clandestine location in Oldtown Alexandria. He actually called me one time and says, "Can we use your clandestine location to to to springboard and get this going again?" It's like, "Yeah, if you if you can do it." So why did they We don't know. I want to give you one more one more kudo for this team. I still don't have by the way. I want to know and Eric Eric will uh and Tony will both verify this. And Scott Philpot came to my office on 911. He got very emotional. This is an academy graduate in Naval Academy. and he said, "Congressman, this is not the F in America I swore to uphold and defend." He was very emotional. He said, "We also could have prevented the attack on the USS Cole." You want to talk about that, Eric? The second time I had to we we went up to testify was in February of 2006. And we had, you know, after everything's done, you know, you got reporters floating around the room and everything. And I had one guy come up to me and he was asking me some very personal questions. What are you doing now? What are you doing for work? That kind of thing. Followed me out into the hallway. And I said, "You know what? I'm sorry. I I I'm not going to answer any more of your questions. I don't know who you are. And he goes, "Oh, I'm sorry. I'm Kirk Lipold. I'm the commander of the USS Cole." And I mean, Kirk and I are friends now, but that's the moment. Kirk Lipult. That's the moment that again it hits you that again responsible for the loss of your sailors. I feel, you know, 18 sailors. I have the respons I get to carry the responsibilities for the loss of 3,000 people on 911. The 20th. I I really wish you hadn't played that video just a few minutes ago cuz on the 20th anniversary, my wife found me totally broken down in our kitchen. And it's it's I get to I get to carry that PTSD the rest of my life. And I didn't think I had it. And it got worse and worse. And it gets worse and worse every year. And I feel the same way about the Downey family. These things have got to stop. This is no longer America when this happens. And Donald Trump can do it by putting in place a commission of independent people to do what he says he's going to do. And I support that and I support him. Name an independent commission. Put you on the commission. You have integrity. I've got the five things for you. I think there's five likely events. We'll go through them one by one. First is government incompetence. They were completely just uh nobody knew what the hell they were doing. Keystone cops all the way and the 9/11 report is correct. That's that's one presumption. It's like yeah, it's exactly like they said it. The John Layman wrote the narrative. Everything is accurate. I would say no matter what one is right. I said no matter what and one is right. Well, competence is I think a factor. I have no doubt. Well, my opinion, you're not saying this. I'm saying this. What I'm saying is no matter whatever the five you propose, my opinion number one is absolutely right. What's two? Okay. A controlled operation that went wrong. Uh there is allegations we've talked about in the day that at least two of the uh individuals were under control of CIA. That the FBI was also involved in some level because a guy named Anoir Alawalaki, my friend Katherine Herage did reporting on him. Anoir Aralaki was a controlled asset of the FBI who actually moved two of the two of the 911 hijackers around who later was assassinated as US citizen by Barack Obama in Yemen. He and his son Anoir Alaki, there he is. He he was I would argue I don't want to get off track here, but Anoir Alaki actually lectured at the Pentagon in 2004 uh because he was brought in for but he was actually handling two of the 911 individuals. He actually gave him a tour. He was out of there. So, uh, based on that, there could have been an aspect of the US government controlling individuals and them getting out of control. There's a movie called The Siege, which kind of covers this, if you remember that with Bruce Willis and Denzel Washington. I was once told by a Pentagon official, by the way, in a random moment that, oh, that would never happen, which was a strange moment to look back on at this Okay. So, one, government incompetency. Two is controlled operation that went wrong. Three is uh then basically that's omission. By omission they just didn't they didn't control it. Commission. I think more severe would be then the government kind of knew this was going to happen. They allowed these people to go into place. They didn't adequately provide full-time surveillance and they basically allowed the 9/11 attack to happen with the theory that they were going to try to stop it to the last second. and they were they were they were why would they allow it to happen? I'll be blunt. I think uh we've talked about the profit motives of a number of individuals. I don't believe for a minute the deep state is a a single entity. I think it's a I think George Carlin once said you don't have to be organized if you all have people that feel the same way about things. And if you had a sufficient critical mass of individuals, neocons, I I am not a neocon for the record. I'm a Reagan guy and I've fought most of my life against neocons. I think the neocons both parties by the way this would explain the Clinton Bush connection would allow essentially some level of event to happen per you mentioned it earlier Pat about the the road map you brought up the article about the road map that would be the road map that they kind of let this happen uh and then the last option fifth option is full-blown the government was behind it and planned it those are the five options as I see or another government cooperated with our government. Well, I think another government cooperated in in most of these the same. What other government would benefit? Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia. Yeah. I saw the the the one thing with Saudi Arabia. I don't think we should limit it to any one country. Who else would you add to the list of I wouldn't add any other country because I don't have the facts, but I mean any person with a brain could figure out there'd be other countries that would have a motive to want to see this occur. Possibly China. I don't want to speculate on I don't think they were developed sufficiently as to see us as an adversary in a focused way in the late 90s. When I when I when you say Saudi Arabia report included references to individuals with connections to Saudi government who allegedly had contact with the hijackers. However, deeper investigation to Saudi involvement was left out later addressed in the 28 pages declassified in 2016 which raised further questions about possible support networks. Two things on that. My and my dear friend, late Congressman Walter Jones got that declassified. Walter passed a while back. There was a finding that we haven't talked about in parallel to what we're doing talking about here. Pat, was a finding Alex Station CIA had a finding to assassinate Ben Laden. We weren't part of that, by the way. We were completely independent. As a matter of fact, uh, when I was first read into the special operations command concept, I was asked to go brief the the CIA ex represented the special operations command, a guy named Dave Ralph, Dave Ralph, uh, I read him into the project and he confirmed the existence of Alex Station and the finding and the reason I briefed him into it, CIA, is because we didn't want to have them think that we were trying to go after Bin Laden. So what was going on at the same time we were doing Able Danger was the CIA finding Alex Alex Station that's out there. Uh there's a couple of books on it. What I'm saying is that they actually were targeting Bin Laden directly. CIA was outside of what we were doing. And within the context of what you just said, the Saudi Arabians were helping support Bin Laden. As a matter of fact, one of the assassination attempts was stopped because uh one of the Saudi royal family was falcon hunting with Bin Laden apparently in Afghanistan. And at the time that they were getting ready to use a an armed predator to take him out, they recognized at the very last minute that a one of the Saud Saudi royal family members, the chief of the Saudi intelligence was with Bin Laden. I think this was in 99. So I just looked this up to see to ask a question. And who else was other countries possibly and this is not you saying it Kurt this is Chad GBT saying it so this is we're not uh putting it on you 15 out of the 19 hijackers were Saudi nationals it's one thing that we know to Pakistan inner services intelligence was long suspected of having murky ties to Islamist groups including those in Afghanistan Osama bailana was found in Abu Tabad Pakistan in 2011 just a mile from a major military academy okay UAE two of the hijackers ers were from UAE and the other country was used as financial hub for some of the funding and planning. Iran, no evidence of Iran involved in 911, but the 911 commission acknowledged that some hijackers transitioned through Iran, which I know you want to say something about that without having their passports stamped. This is where Gazan Solmani was involved. Five Iraq, six Israel, and uh you know, seven China. Those are the countries that came up of possibilities of being here. and your facial reaction is very I'll talk to you off camera. Okay, that sounds good to me. But tell me this with, you know, stories linked to Osama bin Laden. Okay, when the events takes place, I'm very skeptical about Osama bin Laden, period. I'm skept skeptical about that we really dropped the guy in the middle of the ocean. I'm like I'm I'm there on on what happened. I don't even believe Why would you drop We've never dropped an ass in the middle of the ocean. Oh, because it's a martyr. you don't want people to go a celebration at his funeral plot and all this other stuff. I don't know. I mean, the the difference is Transformers drops uh Megatron in the middle of the ocean. Then a couple years later, they drop Osama bin Laden in the middle of the ocean. I don't know if it was inspired by the movie or not. I don't want to speculate. Let my creativity go there. You guys don't have to go there. But Bin Laden, stories about where he goes, where he was at, who he met with. What things do we know about Bin Laden? Well, I was very big supporter of uh of when George Bush went up to the trade center. I was there at 911 and he put his hand up in the air. I was there with him with the firefighters and he said, "We're going to get you. We're going to come find you." I figured that it must have been Bin Laden in Afghanistan. So, I got all fired up and said, "I'm with you, Mr. President, all the way." I was concerned about our troops being harassed in Afghanistan the way the way the Russian troops were. I took two other members of Congress and went with Alan Tulli, a decorated Vietnam veteran, New York Times bestseller with intelligence ties. We went to Rome and we met with King Zahir Sha in exile without the US government approval. We went to his family's home and we convinced I have the photos, King Zahir Sha to go back to Afghanistan and convene a lawyer Jorga of all the tribes to accept the American troops when they came in so our troops would be protected. I took every step I could to protect the American troops. Then I doing my job in the Congress because I couldn't trust the intel being provided by the CIA as the vice chairman of the defense committee and homeland security. They would spin the data. I would get better information from defense reporters like Bill Girtz than I would from the agency. So I had my own intel team. These are people that work for the agencies. There were about 15 of them that worked for the CIA, DIA, NSA, FBI. and I would meet with them for breakfast in the capital. They would feed me raw data and they fed me raw data after 9/11. The Rousan bin Laden was seen in a town called Leiz. I had no idea where Leiz was. So I went up the street and bought a map at the bookstore. You have that map right here that I bought 25 years ago or 20. Yeah, 25 years ago. And I looked on the map and I found Leiz 10 kilometers inside the border of Pakistan in Iran in an area called Baluchistan. I then went to a classified briefing for the full committee. Closed briefing. Now I'm the vice chairman of the committee. At the time I was the acting chairman. The chairman wasn't there. And in front of 60 members I said to the CIA. I have information that bin Laden's been cited in Leadiz. What can you tell me? Mr. Chairman, we've heard similar reports. We can either confirm or deny them. I was outraged. We're sending kids to Afghanistan to look for Bin Laden and they can't deny that he's in a town called Lead. Three months later, my royal intelligence people tell me that he's being treated at a military hospital in Tran. I go back to the classified briefing in front of the whole committee and I asked the question. I get the same response. Mr. Chairman, we've heard similar reports. We can either confirm or deny them and I said, "What the hell's going on here? We're now months into this whole operation. and we're sending kids over to Afghanistan and you're telling me Bin Laden may be in Belaluchistan. Then I get the most respected Democrat in the House, Jack Murtha, chairman of the Senate of the AR House Appropriations Defense Committee, former Marine, very wellrespected member and a friend of mine. Murtha sends over Ron Clink. Now Murtha's dead, but Ron Clink's alive. And he said, it says to me uh to Ron, Ron has information from Anak. He used to work for the agency about Iran. And Jack says, "Go see Kurt. He investigates these things." Ron Clink came to my office. And Ron Clink will verify this. He's a man of honor. He's alive. I And he I said, "Ron, how can I help?" He said, "Congressman, I have a I have an acquaintance here. I need you to talk to him." Jack said, "Come." I said, "Okay." He brings this knock in. He said, "Congress weld, I want you to help me go to Iran." I said, "Why do you want to go to Iran?" He said, "Well, that's where I used to work for the agency." And he said, "That's where Bin Laden is." and there's a $25 million reward. You help me get to Tran, I'll leave my credentials there in the hotel and I'll go down and bring you back dead or alive because there's $25 million reward. I said, "I'm sorry. I'm in the middle of a battle with the agency right now. I can't do that." Now, that's the third incident. Then I get a request from the Department of Interior. They want to bring in the head of the International Falconry Association. Now, that's not unusual because I'm the Republican on the Migratory Bird Commission. The Migratory Bird Commission oversees all the wildlife refugees in North America. John Dingle was a Democrat. There were two senators and three cabinet members. So, I figured he wants to talk about birds. Okay, I'll talk about birds. This uh fellow from Maine, Alan Perau, brings in two falcons, million-dollar birds on his shoulders. He's a seek, very wealthy family. He said, "Mr. Chairman, thank you for greeting with me." I said, "Okay." I said, "I've devoted my life to falcons. I worked with the UN on the international falcon treaties. And he said, 'I was in the base camps that trained the children of the royal families on the sport of falconry. I said, 'Well, that's really interesting. I said, how can I help you with these birds? They're beautiful. He said, I want you to help me go to Iran. Now, he knows nothing about what I've been given. I said, why do you want to go to Iran? He said, my falconers are seeing Bin Laden's birds flying in Iran. They'll accept me there. You get me into Iran, I'll tag his birds and take you to exactly where he is. That's the fourth. They take me out of office. I get a call from Michael Shawyer. Michael Shawyer said, "Congress well at my home. Do you remember me?" I said, "Yeah, Michael." He said, "I worked for the CIA my whole career." I said, "I remember." He said, "My job was the director of the Bin Laden task force." Alex Station. I said, "Well," he said, "Bin Laden task force." I said, "What can I help you with?" He said, 'I'm seeing information from the Birdman that I was never shown when I was in charge of the Bin Laden task force. I think he's right. We want to do a film. We want you to be a part of it. I said, ' Not after what they did to my family. I'm not getting involved. Thank you, but no. I hang up the phone. 3 months later, I get a call from General McCannernney, a decorated American hero. And he calls me at my home and said, "Congressman Weldon, I'm working with Michael Shawyer and the Birdman, and we want you involved." I said, "General, I'm not going to do it." In the end, I end up with 10 silver bullets, including two royal family members from two separate royal families that Bin Laden was placed in Iran after 9/11. US has plausible deniability because they arranged it through other countries. The ultimate was a person who's worked for our government for 50 years. He's a knock. He's not from the US. I will reveal his information privately but not publicly and I'll take a polygraph. I met with him and he said m uh through one of the people he handled when he was active. He said you're right about many things Mr. Chairman I respect you. I said well thank you. He said you're right about Bin Lad. He was in Iran and he was placed there with US knowledge and information without the knowledge of the US of the Iranian government. A few years ago, I think it was five years ago, we killed Sulmani. I don't even think Trump knows this. He took credit for killing Sulmani. He deserves credit because Sullemani was a a criminal. I text my friend. Was that the man? He text back within one minute. Yes. The deal to place Bin Laden in in Iran was not cut with Ahmad. It was not cut with the head of the Iranian government. It was cut with the head of the IRG. And if you think back to when the sha was in power, the Iranian intelligence was largely trained by US intelligence. Those friendships never left. When the when the radical regimes took over in Iran, they didn't change their intelligence. And those friendships and relationships continued. The real investigation needs to be what involvement did our intelligence have with Iranian intelligence and was that involved in placing Bin Laden in Iran while we sent thousands of American kids to Afghanistan and 2500 came back in body bags. I mean when you when you hear that story about Iran typ we we all heard what we heard Pakistan you know we heard you know that he escaped and you know poor coordination among US and Afghan troops and you know all this other stuff we hear that but mainly we hear about the city what is that city called Abu Tobad right abbad uh yeah Pakistan so no one talks about Iran however the part about Iran here that's kind of strange Osama bin Laden himself never confirmed to have been in Iran. However, some of his family members and senior al-Qaeda figures did reportly seek shelter in Iran. Absolutely. After the US invasion of Afghanistan, that includes bin Laden's son. That's right. Say bin Laden and others who were later detained by Iranian authorities. And I asked an official for But you're convinced he was there. Absolutely. 1,000%. I'll take a polygraph. I told you I'll take a polygraph on what I know. I'll take a polygraph. I have 10 silver bullet sources that bin Laden was placed. And when the birdman was questioning the Iranian consulate office at the UN because there is no Iranian embassy here, they were saying, "Why do you keep coming to us saying that bin Laden's in our country? We would never harbor bin Laden." But they would go back and, you know, ask the questions in Tran. Why does he keep saying this? Finally, Amad came over to the UN to give a speech. And the falcon, the birdman from America got George Stephanopoulos to ask the question. And I know George Stephanopoulos from when he worked on the House floor for Dick Eart. This the one you're talking when I first went to Congress. George Stephanopoulos. So Stephanopoulos asked Amad the question kind of smirkingly. Some of the wackos in this country are saying that you're harboring Bin Laden. And obviously Ahmad said no way will we ever harbor bin Laden. He went back to Tran. That's when they kicked him out of Iran over to Pakistan. Now, amad I still have contacts to. Now, if necessary, I can bring Ahmad Jad on the show. He's afraid I'll be killed, but he'll verify what I just told you. That's what's wrong with our country. The Iranian people have never been our enemy. That's what my book was about. When I wrote the book in 2005, I said Iran is not the enemy. You see the title of my book? I said, "The CIA is the problem. They're playing games." This book was endorsed by Jim Wolsey. three-page letter, the former director of the CIA. I had him on the podcast. He's a great guy. And and the book was endorsed by uh by uh Jack Caravelli, Al Gore, CIA adviser. One-page letter. They endorsed the book. The Iranians published my book in Farsy on their own. It became a bestseller because it says, "The people of Iran and the US are not enemies. The people in these countries are never our enemies. It's the games we play, not the games. The games we allow people to play. They're out for power and money. We've got to stop that. Rob, can you play that clip with Ahmed? So, here's a clip that you're talking about. Go for it. One final question. Uh, there's a new documentary uh out that says that Osama bin Laden, cocaine, is living in Thran. Is Osama bin Laden in tan? Your question is laughable. Why the US government has invaded Afghanistan in order to arrest Bin Laden? They probably know where Bin Laden is. If they don't know where Bin Laden is, why did they invade? First, they invaded. Then they tried to find out where he is. Is that logical? Do you think this is logical? What I think is that you didn't answer my question. Is he into Iran or not? Our position is quite clear. Some journalists have said Bin Laden is in Iran. These words don't have legal value. Our position towards Afghanistan and against terrorism is quite clear. Is it true or not? Maybe you know, but I don't know. I'm asking you. You're the president of Iran. I don't know such a thing. You are giving news which is very strange. So, let me ask it a different way. If you did know that Osama bin Laden was in Thran, would you show him hospitality? Would you expel him? Would you arrest him? I heard that Osama bin Laden is in Washington, DC. No, you didn't. Yes, I did. He's there because he was a previous partner of Mr. Bush. They were colleagues, in fact, in the old days. You know that they work together. Mr. Bin Laden never cooperated with Iran, but he cooperated with Mr. Bush. I'll ask one more time and then I'll let you go. If you knew that Osama bin Laden was in Thran, which you say you don't, if you knew, would you expel him? Would you arrest him? Would you show him hospitality? Our borders are closed to the illegal entry of anyone, anyone, whoever that may be. Whether it's the three American mountaineers, Mr. bin Laden or anyone else. The borders are closed. Our position is clear. But you deny categorically that he's in Thran today. He is not. Osama bin Laden is not in. Rest assured that he's the first time anyone's I've never talked to you about this in advance and you pulled that up right away. It's exactly what I said and I know the people that got Stephanopoulos to ask that question. I would ask you one more thing to look at. Remember that airplane that somebody captured on the tarmac in Tran that was unidentified unloading pallets and pallets of American cash. Do you remember that story? And no one ever explained it. I wonder why that occurred. Remember the pallets of cash and the estimates? Mhm. We've got to stop allowing these games to be played. The people of Iran are not our enemy. This plane to that plane. I I I can't tie that. All I can tell you is I'm aware of that. That's something I But they're they're they're 15 years apart of the event. And you're talking about the $400 million cash. So there was there was more than one flight of planes into Tran. Let me say Obama administration secretly arranged a plane delivery of $400 million in cash on the same day Iran released four American prisoners and formally implemented the nuclear deal. US officials confirmed. Barack Obama approved the $400 million transfer, which he announced in January. As part of the Iranian nuclear deal, the money was flown to Iran in wooden pallets stacked with Swiss Franks, euros, and other currencies as the first installment of the $ 1.7 billion settlement resolving claims at the international tribunal uh uh at the Hague over a filed failed arms deal under the time of the sha. A fifth American was also released by Iran separately. What is your correlation between the two? The correlation that I can tell you is that um the US um was aware of and helped facilitate the placement of Bin Laden in Iran. They they they they retain plausible deniability. That's the fancy word they use. They they they maintain plausible deniability by using other countries. And well, I'll give you one more story about Iran. I did most of the work for the Congress with Russia. Steny Hoyer was my co-chair. And as you know, the big deal right now is the Iran nuclear program. Well, let me tell you what happened in the 90s that I will verify and give you again a polygraph on. I was very upset when we had evidence that the Russian Ministry of Atomic Energy was helping Iran with a booier reactor and I went to the Ministry of Atomic Energy and I took two members of the House who are today's senators and I'll give you the photograph you can get off my website of me with Roger Wicker, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee and Lindsey Graham meeting with the Minister of Atomic Energy in Moscow, Macau, they called him the Hawk. And I said to him, "We want you to stop helping Iran with a nuclear program at Bushir because this is going to come back to hurt both of our countries." This is in the 1990s. Malov said, "Congressman, uh, we we don't we we can't do anything about these deals that we're doing." I was very outraged and I let the Russians know that. One of the most pro-American leaders in Russia who did the Nonluger program was the head of the nuclear institute in Russia called Khatov Institute in Moscow. His name was Dr. Yvi Velikov. He died in December. He was a very good partner of Sam Nun and Dick Luger. That's how I met him. Velikov became a good friend of mine. When Bush reached out and made that famous speech in 2001 that he looked in Putin's eyes and saw his inner soul and realized this is a man he could trust. You can pull that speech up. That was Bush saying this. I took that seriously and I pressed Velikov to do something about the Iran program. Velikov came to my office and I have a three-hour interview with Velikov in my oral history that's never been released in Moscow. And Velikov said, quote, "P Putin wants to offer to the US a bilateral 50/50 overseeing any facade material going into Iran. We turned them down. We turned them down under George Bush in the early 2000s. I'll take a polygraph. By the way, on a different note, the Federal Reserve is often I used to consult with the the Federal Reserve's intelligence folks. And yes, they have an intelligence program and moving whole plane loads of cash is not an uncommon thing for the Federal Reserve. Just saying. It's a common It's a common occurrence. I I can see that. Yeah, I can see that. By the way, I've had multiple conversations with Ahmed Nat. We've done multiple Zooms with him. He reached out. I was supposed to fly to a country in uh in Europe to interview with him and that was a day uh after the assassination attempt they had on him. I don't know if you remember that when that story came out publicly. He said something. He made a couple other claims. Rob, if you want to play a couple of claims and and what he said and you remember this one here. This is him. When is when what's the date on this Rob? When the speech was given? Uh I'm not sure the date. I believe this is at the United Nations. Uh because the delegates are you familiar with the speech? Go ahead and play this clip. Identifying those responsible behind the September 11 attacks, there were three viewpoints. First, that a very powerful and complex terrorist group able to successfully cross all layers of the American intelligence and security carried out the attack. This is the prevalent viewpoint which has been supported mainly and advocated by American statesmen. Second, that some segments within the US government orchestrated the attack to reverse the declining American economy and its grips on the Middle East in order to save the Zionist regime. The majority of the American people as well as most nations and politicians around the world agree with this view. Third, terrorist, it was carried out by a terrorist group, but that the American government supported and took advantage of the situation. Apparently, this viewpoint has fewer proponents. The main evidence for this viewpoint links the incident with a few passports found in the huge volume of rubble and a video of an individual whose place of doicile was unknown but it was announced that he had been involved in oil deals with some American officials. It was also covered up and said that due to the explosion and fire, no trace of suicide attackers was found. You can pause. Thoughts on that, Tony? Well, I you've seen I didn't never seen this before, but it seems like I came up with a couple of the options. You've never seen this before? I've never seen this before. No. And I it seems like some of the things I mentioned to you track with what he's saying. I've never seen this. I have no I didn't I had no idea this existed. Kurt, had you seen that before? No. What do you think about what he's saying? Uh I'd have to analyze it some more. I have some thoughts. But again, I try to be very careful because what they'll do is they'll pick apart what I say. And what I try to do either I have backed up with my files. I have the largest archives in house history. Or my um my oral history, which is 100 hours of videos done by the past president of the National Association of Oral Historians, or by firsthand evidence. And I I don't know. I my my contention is just that Iran should not be an enemy right now. We we the people of Iran have never been Well, they were good friends of ours under the sha and they're good people and we should not allow ourselves to be sucked into another war. It's a very different country though, Kurt. I I know that. But but it's been very different country before Iran. There's only two countries in the history of mankind that have said death upon America. Y I understand it's North Korea and Iran after 1979. Pre79 Iran had great relationship with us, great relationship with Israel, great relationship with the world. Shad didn't trust Israel because the where they are politically, but he was still able to do business with them, he was able to do business with France, he was able to do business with Europe, but uh the moment the IRGC, the founder, IRGC I had on the podcast here four months ago, he was right here. We had a two and a half hour conversation together. Uh uh him and Kumeni started IRGC and we talked about what happened with all the lies and cineamar. This is not the same Iran we're talking about. It's a very different Iran. But you're not calling for a war with Iran. I don't want no war. I don't want I don't want people dying. I I just I lived there when war happened. I saw people dying. I lived in Iran for almost 11 years from 19 I'm born October 1878. We left July 1589. So think what era I lived in Iran in Tehran by the way. capital. You mentioned North Korea, right? I took all three delegations in North Korea. The the three US delegations I took all bipartisan and I went in there again to support the president. I never went on a foreign delegation because that's not the role of the Congress to do foreign policy. Only to support the president. I I led delegations to 104 countries. I went to North Korea and I went there in support of George Bush in the early 2000s. And uh with Coen Pal's support, Coen Pal was the Secretary of State, a good man. I wanted him to run for president. He didn't want to do it. He was screwed by Bush because Condi Rice wanted to kick him out so she could take his job in the second four years. And she did. I'm aware of that. That's why Coen Pal didn't support George Bush for reelection. I know that for a fact. But anyway, I went to North Korea and I said, "What do you people want?" They said, "Congressman, we really don't trust the Chinese. We don't fully trust the Russians." The person I met with was Kim Guyan. He was our lead negotiator. How many times did you go to North Korea? I went there three times. three times and to Pyongyang. I went there once to payun John to bring back the remains and I went to uh um to Pyongyang and I said, "Well, what do you want?" They said, "We want the respect of the US. We don't know how to get the respect of the US." I said, "Well, the one of the things you got to do is you've got to stop terrorism and you've got to stop your nuclear program." They said, "Well, we're not really interested in pursuing a nuclear program." This is back in 2003 and four. So I said, 'Well, what if we came up with a plan that maybe would allow you to have an alternative source of energy? They said, 'We'd be interested in that.' So with my delegation, again, three Democrats, I can name them, and they'll come on your show, and two other Republicans on the back of an envelope on my first or second trip there, I wrote down six or seven items. It became a two-part plan to create what I called the peace pipeline. Is this it? The peace pipeline. Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's the meeting. That's the meeting. So, um, I said, and I I met separately with Kim Gagwan privately with the members. They were off. I said, "I want to meet with you privately. Let me run something by you because I have to get this approved by Secretary Pal and by the White House." I said, "The six party nations, China, Russia, South Korea, North Korea, the US. Um, what if they all came together and offered you some other way for energy? Let's say the Russian has energy up in the Far East up around Campka. oil and gas. What if we built pipelines from the Russian Far East that came down from Camp Chaka through China down the rail corridor of North Korea to South Korea? And what if Kas and South Korea offered to buy that product and sell it to China to Japan and the other countries and China built the pipeline? Would would you then be willing to give up your nuclear program? And the North Koreans said yes. So I wrote up a two-part 10-point peace plan. Coen Pal had me speak at the monthly secretary of state forum that he sponsored as a secretary in front of 200 State Department employees and he put it on his website. The peace plan was approved by all other four nations, five nations. I I went to Wuhan, China. Wuhan, China, besides being the health problem. Their largest manufacturer of pipe is in Wuhan. They had 500,000 employees there. I went to Wuan and spent a week. I met with the leadership of the pipe company and the party in Wuhan. I said, "Can you get the party leadership to approve you building pipe for a pipeline system from the Russian Far East down through China and North Korea to South Korea? They said, "We'd love it." And yes, our country will support that. I went to KAS. I'm very tight with the South Koreans. I'm Kim, the former defense minister, is a good friend of mine, and I I travel with him to Kazakhstan. He knows me very well. And the president was also a good friend. They held a dinner for me when I left Congress. I said, "Will Kas buy the We'll buy it for ourselves and we'll sell we don't need to China, to Japan." "Yes, Congressman, it's a great idea." The Russians, I said, "You want to sell the product up there?" "Absolutely, Congressman. We'll sell all the oil and gas." All the countries supported it. And the plan was that we would not complete and open the pipelines until North Korea shut down the the Young Bun reactor. That's their main reactor. shut it down and allowed for a transparent multinational review of that site to verify that the nuclear program was totally shut down. Then I told them once that's done and once it's verified then the product will flow through the pipelines and you'll get a tipping fee for every barrel of product going through the pipeline. You'll get income for your country and you'll get to use some of the product for energy for your nation so you won't need nuclear power. The North Koreans wanted to do it. The White House didn't want it. I'll tell you how severe it was and how how childish it was. You know, we have an annual prayer breakfast in Washington every year and I used to go to every one of them and the president speaks. So I was at the time working both Libya and North Korea. I've been to both countries. So the Libyan ambassador in Washington was a man named Ojali. I said, "Ambassador Ojali, will you come sit at the prayer breakfast with my delegation in front of the president to show that Libya is serious about peace with America?" He said, "Absolutely, Congressman." A month before the prayer, I get a call from the two embassy officials. North Korea had no embassy here. They had a consular office up at the UN. Ambassador Han, Ambassador Park, Ambassador Han called me. He said, Chairman Welen, you have some kind of a prayer event in Washington once a year. I said, "Yes, Ambassador, it's the prayer breakfast." He said, "Ambassador Park and I would like to come and bring our spouses." Said, "You want to come to the prayer breakfast?" He said, "Yes." I said, "Well, you know, you can't have a press conference there. It's a prayer breakfast. We pray. He said, "No, congressman, we just want to come and show our presence." Well, I said, "Absolutely. You'll be my guest." I organized the table. It was going to be the ambassador from Liby and his wife, Ambassador Han and his wife, Ambassador Park and his wife, right in the front in the center of the National Prayer Breakfast. About two weeks before the prayer breakfast, I got a call from Ambassador Han. He was very upset. He said, "Congressman Wel, uh, we have to turn down your offer." I said, "Why would you do this to me? You asked me to get the invitation. I get it. I get the table." He said, "Congressman, you don't understand. We're not an embassy. For us to travel outside of New York out of 50 miles. We have to get State Department approval. We applied for the permit and your State Department turned us down." I hung up the phone and I called the state department and the congressional affairs guy whose name I have in my records said he'll say this he'll verify it before I could even say anything he said Mr. Chairman, I know why you're calling and chairman and chairman pal support you. We were called by the white house and told to deny the approval for the two embassy leaders from North Korea to come with a prayer breakfast. What was her fear? Cond is right. She didn't want them in the room with the with the she didn't want to show that North Korea wanted a peaceful coexistence with America. I'll take a polygraph. I get it. But what you're saying is that these neocons, they want war. They want conflict. Why though? Is it pure profit or is it just constant conflict? It's it's Marxism. It's Tat Trosky. If you look back at their roots goes back to Irvin um uh uh what's his name? Oh my goodness. I'm having a senior moment. Um senior moment who does 20 pull-ups, by the Well, that's how I get uh get past senior moments. Uh uh uh Oh my god. Cuz anyway, it's it's a form the neon Irving Zeland. No, no. Irving uh his his son is a big neocon now. He's one of the uh Crystal Crystal. Crystal Irving Crystal. Okay. Bill uh uh Chris uh Bill. Irving Crystal. You know, Bill's dad created the neocon movement out of essentially a trosky concept of using a combination. Yeah, there you go. It's a combination of of uh collectivism, concept of collectivism and chaos. That's why Stalin had Trosky killed because Stalin did not like the idea that some guy was running around there using essentially communism as a method of in insinuating chaos. The chaos they believe philosophically will allow for them to gain control. The the chaos they believe gives them some level of global control. That was and that good that goes back to that makes sense to me. That makes sense to me. We got a few minutes here. I want to go through a couple things before we wrap up. Okay. Judy Wood. How much do you know about Judy Wood? I never met the woman. Uh I know a lot about Directed Energy. Uh, I was the first person to hold a congressional hearing on EMP based on, as you know, and your viewers can Google the term Starfish Prime. That was the first EMP test. If you had Peter Pry on, I know he talked about that. Peter worked for me. When I wrote the EMP legislation, which became law, it created the commission. Peter was the executive director of the commission. EMP is our gravest threat right now because it can neutralize a country by taking out your smart capabilities. But from that, weapons were developed using directed energy. And that's the major thrust to me today. And what Judith Wood says is that those buildings weren't taken down through airplanes or bombs. They were taken down through a massive direct energy attack. Who do you believe more, her or Richard Ga? Who do you give more credit here? Well, I first of all, the architects in I don't compare either one of the two because I'm not a professional in that area. I think they both are credible people. Richard Gage and the 3,000 architects and engineers have risked their entire lives and careers talking about the lies of the NIST and the false report that was put out there. And I can give you a story about NIST. It'll blow your viewers away, but I won't bother you if you don't want to hear it. But I want to stay on Judy Wood here because Judy Wood, interesting background. She got a degree in civil engineering, got a master's degree in engineering mechan mechanics and applied physics and a PhD in material engineering science. She's not politically like involved. She could care less about the politics side. It's not something that she talks about, but her her theory, several observations she claims cannot be explained by official narrative. One, lack of significant debris. She talks about how the debris pile after the collapse was much smaller than expected for buildings as large as the World Trade Center tower. She suggests it was that much of the material was vaporized or dustified by a W by DEW, leaving little rubble behind. That's one. Two, toasted cars. She points to reports and images of cars near the World Trade Center that were severely damaged or toasted in unusual ways, burned or melted without clear signs of typical fire or explosion damage. Wood interprets this as evidence of selective energy defects from a DW. Absence of expected uh sesmic impact. Wood claims that sesmic data recorded during the collapse doesn't match that would be expected from a traditional building collapse. He argues that the DW attack would produce less ground vibration than a conventional demolition. And then the hurricane Aaron connection, which is kind of weird. On 9/11, there was a hurricane. Most people don't know this. There was hurricane Aaron was present in the Atlantic Ocean. Rob, I don't know if you've seen the picture of the hurricane Aaron. How close it gets and what direction it just goes. if you've ever seen this would suggest a speculative link proposing that the storm's energy might have been harnessed or connected to the DW technology used in the attack. It starts and just kind of goes and disappears to the other side. Now, obviously, these are to the average person crazy claims. What do you think about what she says there? Any credibility there? I think we need this. We need to have a presidential commission, right? We get Richard Gage who's done a lifetime of work, Judith Wood, the firefighters, the lawyers, all of the people. We have firefighters who've never been interviewed who heard explosions in the buildings. All of those people need to come together because the 9/11 commission, listen carefully, is a complete fraud. I don't blame the commissioners. I blame the people who manipulate the data, the people who ran it. Well, let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. When the president was getting a doing an interview with I want to say who was it that was doing the interview? She's phenomenal at what she does at Fox. She married um Duff Duffy. Uh Compost. Yes. She's she's great. And she asked, "Hey, when you become president, will you release?" What happened with John FK? Yes. 911? Yes. Epstein? Yes. Well, and then he kind of hesitates a little bit on the Epstein side, but 911 it was like, "Yes." Right. Right. So now, did you see what happened with Cash Patel with Kennedy's hearing just yesterday? Did you guys see that clip or No, I was working yesterday. That that clip was everywhere. Cash Patel's asking about Epstein. Rob, if you can play the shorter one. That's the one right there. Is that the one? Yes. Go ahead and play that clip if you don't mind. And I'm not trying to tie the two together, but I'm trying to I got a question for you here. Go for it, Rob. Person with the brain and a beating heart. Yes, sir. Um, did Jeffrey Epstein hang himself or did somebody kill him? Senator, I believe he hung himself in a cell in the Metropolitan Detention Center. Um, are you going to release all the information about that, Senator? We are working through that right now with the Department of Justice. When you think you'll have it done, Cash? Uh, I think in the uh in the near future, sir. like before I die. Senator, we are um we are we we've been working on that and um we're doing it in a way that protects um victims and also doesn't uh put out into the ether uh information that is um irrelevant for uh production of the public such as CISAM. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Okay. So sir Reed question Mario Cuomo who you quoted earlier okay said you know most people campaign in poetry but they you know govern in pros right like you you'll say all the stuff they want the people to hear and they become in there you're like whoa you know kind of have to do a different thing you I can't do 80% of the stuff that I said most right this is why nobody trusts politicians few statesmen many politicians we know the President Trump, you know, you know, positions himself as a statesman that has the brass to go up after people and he's not afraid. For him to say some of the stuff that he's done takes a lot of brass to do what he's doing. The trade war, not easy. The average person cannot do it. It's a very risky thing to do. He has a brass to do it. We all know that. between the two things to release, what do you think is riskier for them to release and why? Is it to open up a presidential commission, you know, to go investigate 9/11 or release the Epstein files? Because it seems like we were supposed to get this information and now they're just kicking it down and yeah, two more months and two more. Trust me, people are going to forget about it. Two more months and two more months. Do you think that's the deep state that's coming in and saying you cannot release this to anybody? Who do you think it is? And do you think President Trump will pursue 911? Well, I've never met Donald Trump. Um, and I do think he's the only person right now in America that can get us back on a normal track about the way this country was designed when I taught school for seven years in Pennsylvania. Um my personal bias is I want 911 um addressed because it is the largest single attack in US history. It's the largest loss of life in our country. And in my opinion, I don't think it was an accident. I think there was deliberate involvement in what I've seen to cover it up. And I want to know why. Um with the Epstein case, I've not done an investigation. I think that's probably more of a personal thing where the deep state may have information on people that they are threatening people with if that comes out. So you leak it, it's worse because you can't hold them hostage. So you're using the data to hold people down. The key thing for Donald Trump is to take the initiative and be the aggressor and analyze all of those deep straight bad people and what they've done, their bank accounts, what they hold now, their relationships. None of us know any of that. And start to expose that 911. Well, not only that, everything they've been involved in, those people that have made money that have been caused by the deaths of American GIS and by the deaths of American citizens and firefighters, Donald Trump should take the offensive. That's what I would do to pursue and finding out what was behind 911 and be but also what people working for our deep state has gone on to make money well that is exorbitant cash pots that they hide behind now based upon their ties to our intelligence in the past. So, so there's a couple things and and by the way, you made official expression when Cash Patel thing was going on. So, I'm curious to know what you said, but I'll come back to that. But let me stay on this here right now. Is do you remember when uh uh what was it Rob when all the presidents had to show up and President Bush was there, Pence was there, Obama sat next to Trump, Michelle Obama wasn't I think it was Jimmy Carter's funeral. Jimmy Carter's funeral. And you see President Bush come and they walk in a way to not have to greet the president, okay? Not have to shake his hand. And they went and shook everybody else's hand, but not him. You've seen this clip. I'm sure the rest of the audience has seen it. If you, Rob, if you have it, just type in Trump Bush Carter funeral. Trump Bush Carter funeral. And show the clip of them walking in specific. That's the one right here. Watch this. This is him. President Bush is coming in. What's happening, my guy? What up, George? Hey, we'll take the audio off, shake hands there, and then boom, no shaking hands with the president, right? You got Pence, you got everybody else. Not Melania, not anybody. What's funny is Melania yesterday announced that they're doing a uh stamp specifically for I believe Barbara Bush. Rob, can you verify what I'm saying? This if it's not a factual statement or not, is uh Melania Trump announces stamp Barbara Bush. Yeah, I'm I'm right. So Melania Trump announces yesterday unveils Barbara Bush's stamp. She left an undeniable mark on our hearts. Okay. So first I see this Jimmy Carter situation at the funeral and I see Bush doesn't talk to Trump. Maybe because he's about to release 9/11. Bush is worried about it because maybe he was linked to it on the deep state. You know that whole thing that we're talking January 20th, 2001 is an issue there. Okay. Then I think about is he capable of talking about 9/11? If there's ever been a president that would be interested in wanting to do a presidential commission on 9/11, I believe it's President Trump. Let me explain to you why. One, he's from New York. Two, when it happened, they interviewed him. Rob, do you have the clip what happened when they interviewed the president? He was one of the most honest, straight up feedback that he gave on what happened where this is not with any research. This is with nothing. Yep. I saw it when it took place. And this is what the president said on 911 when this took place. Go ahead, Rob. Great. Donald, you you're probably the best known builder uh particularly of of of great buildings in the city. There's a great deal of question about whether or not the damage and and the ultimate destruction of the buildings was caused by the airplanes, by architectural defect, or possibly by bombs or or aftershocks. Do you have any thoughts on that? Well, it was an architectural defect. You know, the World Trade Center was always known as a very, very strong building. Don't forget that took a big bomb in the basement. Now, the basement is the most vulnerable place because that's your foundation and it withtood that. And I got to see that area about 3 or 4 days after it took place because one of my structural engineers actually took me for a tour cuz he did the building and I said, "I can't believe it. The building was solid and half of the columns were blown out." I mean, so this was an unbelievably powerful building. Uh if you know anything about structure, it was one of the first buildings that was built from the outside. The steel, the reason the World Trade Center had such narrow windows is that in between all the windows, you had the steel on the outside. So you had the steel on the outside of the building. That's why when I first looked and you had big heavy I beams. When I first looked at it, I couldn't believe it because there was a hole in the steel and this is steel that was you remember the the width of the windows in the World Trade Center, folks? I think you you know if you were ever up there they were quite narrow and in between was this heavy steel. I said how could a plane even a plane even a 767 or 747 or whatever it might have been how could it possibly go through the steel. I happen to think that they had not only a plane but they had bombs that exploded almost simultaneously cuz I just can't imagine being able to go through that wall. Most buildings are built with the steelers on the inside around the elevator shaft. This one was built from the outside, which is the strongest structure you can have. And it was almost just like a uh like a can of soup. You know, Donald, we were looking at pictures all morning long of that plane coming into building number two. And when you see that approach the the far side and then all of a sudden within a matter of millisecond, the explosion pops out the other side. Right. I just think that there was a plane with more than just fuel. I think obviously they were very big planes. They were going very rapidly because I was also so you know when you see something like this you see him being from New York you see his background being real estate you know he knows all the dark people in New York you know he knows all the powerful people in New York you know he knows all the political people he's been doing stuff with Schumer Hillary Clinton all this he knows all of these guys if there is a guy that would reopen this up to find out what he's the only one I think in our lifetime the only one with the brass and the qualification to do it as him. And you are one of the only people that he'll listen to, which is why I came down to Florida on behalf of the firefighters of America to tell Donald Trump to convene and name a presidential commission. Thank you. Anytime. Yeah. I I hope it happens because for me, the only thing I'm interested in is is the truth. What happened? Maybe we're wrong. It's okay if we're wrong. Maybe we are. If we are, look, let's just do it. Nothing wrong with finding out. Yeah, let's just find out and get smarter. Let's find out on what happened. Um, it'll definitely make America more, you know, safer if we're able to get that done today. But, uh, I'm hoping that happens. Uh, gentlemen, it's great to have you on today. Uh, we have different books. Rob, let's put the link to all the books. We have Awaken the Sleeping Giants. They're not a mine aren't available. They're out. They're not available. So, if we are going to do it, which one could we do? So, they can't even get the books. No, really. So for you, we'll put the presidential firefighters for 911 truth. You can get this here, the film Bravo 7. Bravo 7, which is there as well. For Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Schaefer, we have Operation Darkard. Rob, let's put it below. And for Eric, we have Rob, let me see that there. Intelligence Operations. We'll put the link below as well. And if I'm not mistaken, uh, Kurt, I know people will reach out to you. I think you're also on MC if people have information on 911. Oh, yeah. and and uh uh Tony, they'll be able to get a hold of you guys. I'm joining. Okay, perfect. We're gonna put the link to that information below as well for them to be able to ask you questions, but this has been a breath of fresh air. Appreciate you guys for doing this and uh maybe there will be a followup on this in the future. I'm looking forward to that. Thank you, sir. I'm looking forward to it. Take care, everybody. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. I'm retired Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer. I'm a senior intelligence officer/retired spy with a great deal of information regarding my 30 plus years of operational experience plus 911 issues relating to able danger. I wrote a book operation darkheart New York Times bestseller. I'm the national security adviser to the Trump 2020 campaign. I'm an elected official in North Carolina as a county commissioner. So reach out to me via man. Uh if you have questions I'm happy to try to give you answers that will help you. Look forward to talking to you.