Video summary
Andrew Huberman introduces a comprehensive toolkit for optimizing sleep, emphasizing that adequate rest is foundational to mental and physical health, immune function, skin appearance, and cognitive performance. He categorizes optimization tools into six main levers: light exposure (both sunlight and darkness), temperature regulation, food intake timing, exercise, caffeine consumption, supplements, and digital aids like non-sleep deep rest scripts. The core argument is that the brain requires specific cues to determine when to be awake or asleep; without these inputs, sleep quality suffers. Huberman highlights three critical periods in a 24-hour cycle: early morning (waking up), midday/afternoon, and late evening/night. Each period has distinct protocols—for instance, viewing bright sunlight within the first hour of waking triggers cortisol release to enhance alertness and sets a timer for nighttime sleep, while avoiding excessive light exposure after sunset prevents disruption of circadian rhythms during critical third-period hours when deep rest is essential. Temperature plays a pivotal role in initiating and maintaining sleep, as the body must drop 1–3 degrees Celsius naturally before entering deep sleep phases; conversely, rising temperature signals wakefulness. Huberman recommends cooling environments or using devices like Eight Sleep covers to facilitate this drop at night while warming up slightly near morning awakening times. He also discusses caffeine's mechanism as an adenosine antagonist that blocks sleepiness but warns against consuming it too late in the day (ideally no more than 100 mg after 4 p.m.) or immediately upon waking if one hasn't yet received sufficient light exposure, which can disrupt compensatory sleep on days with poor prior nights. Exercise is another powerful lever: morning workouts tend to advance circadian clocks and promote earlier wakefulness without delaying bedtime much, whereas intense afternoon exercise may push the clock later due to elevated body temperature and metabolic activity. Supplements such as magnesium threonate, apigenin, theanine, glycine, GABA, inositol, and others are presented as safe options for enhancing sleep onset, duration, and depth—especially useful when combined with behavioral tools like light exposure and timing adjustments. Inositol is noted particularly helpful for those on low-carb diets or fasting before bed who struggle to fall asleep quickly or return to sleep after waking up at night. Digital tools including NSDR (non-sleep deep rest) scripts, yoga nidra practices via apps like Reverie, and self-hypnosis techniques offer zero-cost alternatives that help reduce anxiety and improve relaxation without relying solely on devices. These digital interventions are especially beneficial for people who wake frequently during the night or need to recover from disrupted sleep patterns caused by travel or caregiving responsibilities. Huberman stresses consistency in sleep-wake schedules as a key factor, advising against sleeping significantly later than usual even on weekends after late nights out, since irregularity degrades overall sleep architecture and daytime alertness. He explains how understanding one’s "temperature minimum"—typically occurring about two hours before normal wake-up time—can be leveraged to shift circadian rhythms: stimulating activities like bright light viewing, caffeine intake, or exercise in the 2–4 hours prior to temperature minimum will delay your clock (making you want to sleep later), whereas doing so immediately after that point advances it. This principle is invaluable for travelers adjusting to new time zones or individuals trying to become early risers from being night owls. For shift workers and those dealing with jet lag, maintaining consistent shifts over two-week periods minimizes physiological stress compared to frequent schedule swings. Finally, Huberman addresses practical environmental factors such as sleeping on one’s back versus side positions, using nasal breathing aids like medical tape to prevent mouth-breathing which exacerbates sleep apnea risks, elevating feet or head of bed depending on reflux concerns, and managing ambient lighting with dimmable lamps rather than overhead fluorescents. Red light is suggested for nighttime tasks requiring visibility without disrupting cortisol rhythms. He concludes that while some tools involve cost—such as supplements or smart bedding—the majority are free behaviors like getting sunlight early, exercising at optimal times, limiting caffeine late in the day, and practicing consistent sleep hygiene. By integrating these evidence-based strategies into daily life, individuals can dramatically improve their ability to fall asleep faster, stay asleep longer, recover from poor nights more quickly, and maintain high levels of daytime focus and well-being throughout all stages of adulthood.
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Welcome to the Huberman Lab podcast,
where we discuss science and
science-based tools for everyday life.
I'm Andrew Huberman and I'm a professor
of neurobiology and ophthalmology at
Stanford School of Medicine. Today we're
talking all about sleep and how to
optimize your sleep. This is a topic
we've covered previously on this podcast
in the episode called master your sleep.
However, since the airing of that
episode, there's been some terrific new
science to come out. I've also received
thousands, yes, literally thousands of
questions related to the specific
protocols covered in that episode as
well as in the episode on jet lag and
shift work. And while today's episode is
not specifically about jet lag and shift
work, we are going to cover tools that
will allow you to shift your schedule if
you need to for work or travel. And we
will also cover tools that will allow
you to fall back asleep if you happen to
wake up in the middle of the night or if
you get a poor night's sleep, how to
actually recover from that poor night's
sleep more quickly.
And yes, indeed, even replace sleep that
you've lost. So today's episode is going
to be filled with practical tools. We
will touch on some of the underlying
science, but it's really designed to be
a practical toolkit for optimizing your
sleep depending on your specific sleep
needs. Various times throughout today's
episode, I will refer to studies that
form the backbone of the tools that I'll
be describing, but whereas most of the
podcast episodes here tend to be deep
scientific mechanism and then tools,
scientific mechanism then tools, today
I'm mainly going to focus on the
practical tools that anyone, indeed all
people I believe should use in order to
optimize their sleep. Why should
everybody want to optimize their sleep
and put considerable effort into
optimizing their sleep? Well, put
simply, sleep is the foundation of
mental health, physical health, and
performance of all kinds, cognitive
performance, physical performance, et
cetera. It also controls things like our
immune system, wound healing, our skin
health, and our appearance,
whether or not we can think clearly or
not, whether or not we will live as long
as we possibly can or not, whether or
not we suffer from dramatic age-related
cognitive decline or not. In other
words, whether or not we keep our memory
as we age. I could go on and on about
all the terrible things that can happen
to somebody if they don't sleep well.
Thanks to the great work of Professor
Matt Walker at University of California,
Berkeley and the wonderful book that he
wrote, Why We Sleep, I think the world
is largely on board now that sleep is
critical to our health, our mental
health, our physical health, and our
performance.
But, what's not often discussed is how
great life is, that is, how much more
focused and energetic and how positive
our mood gets when we are sleeping for
the appropriate amount of time at the
appropriate depth, and when we're doing
that regularly. Basically, everything in
life gets better when we're sleeping
well. So, today I'm going to teach you
the tools that will allow you to
optimize your sleep, that is, get to
sleep and stay asleep, fall back asleep
if you wake up in the middle of the
night, and adjust your sleep given the
various life demands you may be
experiencing. I'm pleased to announce
that the Huberman Lab Podcast is now
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Second of all, and perhaps most
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Third, we've really emphasized
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dosages that allow you to build a
supplementation protocol that's
optimized for cost, that's optimized for
effectiveness, and that you can add
things and remove things from your
protocol in a way that's really
systematic and scientific. This is
really hard to do if you're taking
blends of different supplements or if
the dosages are such that you can't
titrate, or that is, adjust the dosages
of a given supplement. So, by using
single ingredient supplements, you can
really build out the supplement kit
that's ideal for you and your specific
needs. If you'd like to see the
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There you'll see those supplements, and
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Before we begin, I'd like to emphasize
that this podcast is separate from my
teaching and research roles at Stanford.
It is, however, part of my desire and
effort to bring zero-cost to consumer
information about science and
science-related tools to the general
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And waking up, it also turns out, is
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about sleep and tools to optimize your
sleep.
I want you to conceptualize yourself as
contained within a room that has only
very few windows or very few entry
points.
What do I mean by this? Well,
your brain and your nervous system
control whether or not you move or don't
move. They control whether or not you're
digesting food or you're not digesting
food.
They control whether or not you're
stressed or not stressed, happy or sad,
etc.
All of that stuff that controls all that
stuff is housed inside your skin and
skull, etc. That might seem pretty
obvious, but what that means is that for
your brain and body to feel alert and
focused
ready to move and exercise or do some
work,
or if your brain and body are going to
lie down and go to sleep, well,
that brain and body needs cues. It needs
inputs to determine when to do those
different things.
And those cues and inputs arrive through
a defined set of what I'll call stimuli,
but you can also think of these as
levers or tools.
The main levers and tools that are going
to allow you to control when you are
awake and when you are asleep and to get
better sleep every single night
are light, literally photons, light
energy.
Could be from sunlight, could be from
artificial light. We will discuss those
particulars in a moment. As well as
darkness.
That is the absence of light.
So we've got light and dark. Those are
two very powerful tools
to encourage your nervous system to be
in one state or another, meaning awake
or asleep.
Temperature is another tool or lever.
Turns out that when your body is cooling
down
you have a greater tendency to fall and
stay asleep. In fact, every night when
you actually sleep, your body is
dropping by 1 to 3° and that drop in
temperature is required. It's like a
gate that your body has to go through in
order for you to get into sleep.
And in fact, the converse is also true.
If your body heats up by 1 to 3° or so
you will wake up. So you've got light,
dark, temperature
food
and when we say food, we mean what we
eat
when we eat and the amount that we eat.
Okay, so light, dark, temperature, food,
exercise and of course exercise comes in
different forms. We can do
cardiovascular exercise. That could be
low intensity long distance exercise.
It can be high intensity, so called high
intensity interval training. It could be
weight training, could be yoga, could be
swimming, any number of different
activities, but exercise in general
causes an increase in body temperature
and tends to make us more alert. Not
just during the exercise, but in the
immediate hours after that exercise.
Exercise does some other things that
relate to our sleep as well and we'll
talk about those today and how you can
leverage them. Another potent lever
for adjusting your sleepiness and
wakefulness is caffeine.
This of course comes as no surprise to
people,
but
why and how caffeine works might come as
a surprise. Very briefly,
we have a molecule in our body called
adenosine, and the longer we have been
awake, the more adenosine builds up in
our brain and body, and adenosine is
part of the reason why we get sleepy.
Caffeine effectively operates as a
adenosine antagonist. It works by
basically occupying the receptor for
adenosine, so it's a little bit of a
convoluted mechanism, but basically all
you need to know is that caffeine
prevents the actions of adenosine.
That's one of the reasons why caffeine
makes us feel alert. But how much
caffeine we drink and when we drink
caffeine turns out to be vitally
important for adjusting our wakefulness
and for optimizing our sleep. So we'll
talk about that as well. The other
category of lever tools, which are
immensely powerful for optimizing sleep,
are supplements.
There now exist as many as eight
different supplements that can
powerfully modulate sleep in healthy
ways and that have huge margins for
safety.
We're going to talk about what those
supplements are. In previous episodes of
this podcast and as a guest on other
podcasts, I've talked about three
particular supplements: magnesium
threonate, apigenin, and theanine, which
together can really enhance the speed at
which one falls asleep and people's
ability to stay asleep and to really get
into those deep stages of sleep that are
particularly restorative. Today we're
going to talk a little bit more about
each of those three and how they can
best be used in combination, but we are
also going to touch on some other
supplements that I have not talked about
much before, if at all. Things like
glycine and GABA, as well as inositol.
Many people are going to find inositol
interesting and of particular use to
them, especially if they're following a
low-carbohydrate diet or if they are
fasting before sleep or just trying to
avoid eating too close to bedtime and
yet they're having a hard time falling
asleep. And inositol also turns out to
be especially useful for people who have
a tendency to wake up in the middle of
the night and have a hard time falling
back asleep. It also has some
interesting and potent effects on
anxiety throughout the day. So, we're
going to talk about inositol as a tool
as well. And then last in our list of
general categories of levers and tools
for optimizing sleep are digital tools.
Now, when I say digital tools, I don't
necessarily mean devices. What I mean
are things like non-sleep deep rest
scripts. These are zero-cost scripts
that you listen to that take your body
through some deep relaxation and that
can help people both fall asleep, stay
asleep, fall back asleep, and get better
at sleeping. Also, going to talk about
digital tools related to self-hypnosis.
This is distinctly different from stage
hypnosis. So, I know some of you hear
hypnosis and you think, "Oh, you know,
people, you know, clucking like chickens
and doing things that are outside their
control." That's not at all what I'm
referring to here. I'm talking about
clinically and research-supported tools
that have been shown to enhance people's
ability to fall and stay asleep and that
can get you far better at sleeping.
So, again, to recap the list of levers
and tools, we've got light and dark.
That includes the intensity of light,
the timing of light, etc. We've got
temperature, we have food, we have
exercise, caffeine, supplements, and
digital tools, not just limited to
devices, but zero-cost tools that you
can access on YouTube and elsewhere and
various apps that can really help you
optimize your sleep. So, today we're
going to talk about all of these. I
really want to provide you as many tools
as possible, give you the logic behind
each of those tools, and when and how
best to apply them so that you can
develop the sleep toolkit that's ideal
for your sleep needs. As we head into
our description of tools for optimizing
sleep,
let's consider what the perfect 24-hour
cycle would look like.
Let's start this 24-hour cycle with when
you wake up in the morning. So, for some
of you that will be 5:00 a.m. For others
of you that will be 10:00 a.m. Most
people I believe wake up sometime
between 6:30 a.m. and 8:30 a.m.
But regardless of when you wake up in
the morning,
one of the first things that happens is
that your body temperature is
increasing. And that's just going to
happen naturally. Some of it is going to
be the consequence of you're moving
around a bit, but really the increase in
body temperature is one of the main
triggers for why you woke up in the
first place.
That increase in body temperature in
turn causes an increase in the release
of a hormone called cortisol.
Cortisol is often discussed as a stress
hormone, but it's not just associated
with stress. It also enhances your
immune system provided cortisol is
elevated at the right times. And the
right time for cortisol to be elevated
is when you first wake up in the
morning.
That increase in cortisol is also going
to increase metabolism. It's also going
to increase your ability to focus
mentally and for you to move your body.
So, again cortisol is often demonized
and considered this bad thing. And
indeed you don't want cortisol to be
chronically or consistently elevated
throughout the day or night. But you do
want cortisol to reach its peak early in
the day right about the time you wake
up.
One way that you can ensure that that
cortisol peak occurs early in the day
right about the time that you wake up is
to view bright light ideally from
sunlight within the first 30 to 60
minutes after waking.
That's right. View bright sunlight
within the first 30 to 60 minutes after
waking. I'll get into all the caveats
about what happens if you wake up before
the sun is out. What if you live in the
UK where there is no sun or people claim
there is no sun. Hate to tell you this
folks, but there is sun in the UK.
We'll talk about all that. But
everybody, whether or not you live in a
cloudy place or a sunny place, whether
or not there's cloud cover or not that
day, should really strive to get bright
light in your eyes, ideally from
sunlight, within the first 30 to 60
minutes after waking. The reason for
that is very simple. You want to trigger
that cortisol increase to occur very
early in your day. And you don't want
that cortisol peak to happen later,
which is what will happen if you wait to
get outside and see sunlight.
The reason for this is that you have a
set of neurons, nerve cells, in your
eye. They're called intrinsically
photosensitive melanopsin cells, but you
do not need to know that name. Those
neurons respond best to bright light,
and especially right after waking, early
in the day, they are best able to signal
to a set of neurons that reside over the
roof of your mouth, called the
suprachiasmatic nucleus, which is a
cluster of neurons that then sends a
huge number of other signals, electrical
and chemical, out to your entire body
that
triggers that cortisol increase,
provides a wake-up signal for your brain
and body, and sets in motion a timer for
you to fall asleep later that night. So,
again, we're not trying to go into too
much mechanism today. We are trying to
really hammer on tools, and I'll
substantiate those tools just a bit with
some mechanism, but here's what you do,
or at least here's what I do. I wake up
in the morning and I want to reach for
my phone,
but I know that even if I were to crank
up the brightness on that phone screen,
it's not bright enough to trigger that
cortisol spike and for me to be at my
most alert and focused throughout the
day and to optimize my sleep at night.
So, what I do is I get out of bed and I
go outside, and if it's a bright, clear
day,
and the sun is low in the sky, or the
sun is, you know, starting to get
overhead, what we call low solar angle,
then I know I'm getting outside at the
right time.
If there's cloud cover and I can't see
the sun,
I also know I'm doing a good thing,
because it turns out, especially on
cloudy days, you want to get outside and
get as much light energy or photons in
your eyes.
But let's say it's a very clear day and
I can see where the sun is. I do not
need to stare directly into the sun. If
it's very low in the sky, I might do
that because it's not going to be very
painful to my eyes. However, if the sun
is a little bit brighter and a little
bit higher in the sky, sometimes it
could be painful to look at. So, the way
to get this sunlight viewing early in
the day
is to look toward the sun.
If it's too bright to look at directly,
well, then don't do that. You just look
toward it but not directly at it. It's
absolutely fine to blink. In fact, I
encourage you to blink whenever you feel
the impulse to blink. Never look at any
light, sunlight or otherwise, that's so
bright that it's painful to look at cuz
you can damage your eyes. But for this
morning sunlight viewing, it's best to
not wear sunglasses. That's right, to
not wear sunglasses, at least for this
morning sunlight viewing.
It is absolutely fine to wear eyeglasses
or contact lenses, so-called corrective
lenses. In fact, those will serve you
well in this practice or this tool
because they will focus the light onto
your neural retina and onto those
melanopsin intrinsically photosensitive
ganglion cells. If your eyeglasses or
contact lenses have UV protection,
that's okay. There's so many different
wavelengths of light coming from the sun
and they are bright enough that they
will trigger the mechanisms that you
want triggered at this early
time of day.
So, try and get outside, ideally within
the first 5 minutes of
maybe it's 15 minutes, but certainly
within the first hour after waking. I
want to share with you three critical
things about this tool of morning
sunlight viewing. First of all, this is
not some woo biology thing. This is
grounded in the core of our physiology.
There are literally hundreds, if not
thousands, of quality peer-reviewed
papers showing that
light viewing early in the day is the
most powerful stimulus for wakefulness
throughout the day and it has a powerful
positive impact on your ability to fall
and stay asleep at night. So, this is
really the foundational power tool for
ensuring a great night's sleep and for
feeling more awake during the day.
Second of all,
if you wake up before the sun is out,
you can and probably should flip on
artificial lights in your internal home
environment or apartment or wherever you
happen to live if your goal is to be
awake. All right, if you wake up at 4:00
in the morning and you need to be awake,
well, then turn on artificial lights.
Once the sun is out, however, once the
sun has risen, then you still want to
get outside and view sunlight.
Some of you will wake up before the sun
comes out, and if you're asking whether
or not turning on artificial lights can
replace sunlight at those hours,
unfortunately, the answer is no. Unless
you have a very special light, we'll
talk about what kind of light
the bright artificial lights in your
home environment are not I repeat, are
not going to be sufficiently bright to
turn on the cortisol mechanism and the
other wake-up mechanisms that you need
early in the day.
The diabolical twist, however, is that
those lights in your home or apartment
or even on your phone are bright enough
to disrupt your sleep if you look at
them too late at night or in the middle
of the night. So, there's this asymmetry
in our retinal or eye biology and in our
brain's biology whereby early in the
day, right around waking, you need a lot
of light, a lot of photons, a lot of
light energy, and artificial lights
generally just won't accomplish what you
need them to accomplish. But, at night,
even a little bit of artificial light
can really mess up your so-called
circadian, your 24-hour clocks, and all
these mechanisms that we're talking
about. So, if you wake up before the sun
is out and it's still dark, please turn
on as many bright artificial lights as
you possibly can or need, but then get
outside once the sun is out.
On cloudy days, you especially need to
get outside. I repeat, on cloudy days,
overcast days, you especially need to
get outside and get sunlight. You just
need to get more of it. Now, how much
light and how much light viewing do you
need? This is going to vary depending on
person and place, I mean literally where
you live on Earth, whether or not
there's a lot of tree cover, whether or
not you're somebody who has sensitive
eyes or less sensitive eyes. It's really
impossible for me to give an absolute
prescriptive, but we can give some
general guidelines. In general, on a
clear day, meaning no cloud cover or
minimal cloud cover, you want to get
this sunlight exposure
to your eyes for about 5 minutes or so.
Could be 3 minutes one day, could be 7
minutes the next day, about 5 minutes.
On a day where there's cloud cover, so
the sun is just peaking through the
clouds or it's more dense cloud cover,
you want to get about 10 minutes of
sunlight exposure to your eyes early in
the day. And on days that are really
densely overcast or maybe even a rainy,
you're going to want to get as much as
20 or 30 minutes of sunlight exposure.
Another key thing is do not forget about
just don't try and get this sunlight
exposure through a windshield of a car
or a window, whether or not it's tinted
or otherwise. It takes far too long.
It's simply not going to trigger the
relevant mechanisms.
You would be standing there all day
trying to get enough light into your
eyes from the morning sunlight and by
then, the sun will have already moved
from low solar angle to overhead and it
simply won't work for all sorts of
mechanisms related to your circadian
rhythm functions. So, just don't try and
do it through a a windshield,
sunglasses, or a window.
It's just not going to work. Get
outside. If the weather is really bad or
for whatever reason, safety reasons, you
cannot get outside, well then I suppose
try and get near a window. That would be
the last last resort, but you really
want to get outside to get the sunlight
exposure.
Now, if you live in a part of the world
where it's extremely dark and overcast
or the weather won't let you outside or
you live in a cave or some other small
box that does not allow any natural
light into it for whatever reason, well
then you're going to need
a replacement for that sunlight.
And there are sunlight simulators or
daylight simulators that you can
purchase. Those are quite expensive in
general
and therefore I suggest cheaper options
that work just as well because they get
just as bright. Things like ring lights
that are sold in order for people to
take selfies and this kind of thing.
A drawing LED tablet will work pretty
well. I actually have one of those and I
put it on my desk all morning even
though I still get outside and look at
sunlight first thing in the morning.
Again, also especially I should say on
cloudy days.
We do not have any affiliation to any
ring lights or LED lights or these
panels. So we will provide a link to a
couple of different options if you want
to explore the various options. I don't
know what people's different budgets
are. I don't know where people live. I
just know that many of our listeners
live in locations throughout the world
where for instance during the winter it
gets very very dark so they can't get
sufficient sunlight. But
get that morning light ideally from
sunlight and take into account all the
specific points that I've given you here
and I should say enjoy this practice.
It's really nice to get outside first
thing in the morning and get the
sunlight. In fact, when you start doing
this you'll notice that your body will
start to feel more energized and it will
feel more energized more quickly. You'll
actually start to notice this mechanism
kicking in each day especially if you're
paying attention to your physiology.
So enjoy this practice of getting
outside. Yes, you can take your morning
beverage outside. Yes, you can take your
dog with you. In fact, animals
intuitively know to get this morning
sunlight. They actually seek it out at
the right times of days. We human beings
need to be told by podcasters and other
people about the science that supports
these kinds of practices. Our pets
apparently do not. But, get outside
alone or with somebody, with your kids,
with your dog. However you go about this
practice, make sure you do this practice
at least 80% of the days of your life.
That's right. If you miss a day, for
instance, you're bedridden for a day,
try and get next to a window. Let's say
you are traveling or for whatever reason
you are not able to get outside first
thing in the morning. Well, then try to
get twice as much sunlight in your eyes,
or I should say extend the duration of
sunlight viewing in the morning for
twice as long the following day. This is
a slow integrative mechanism that
underlies this whole thing of
wakefulness during the day and sleep at
night due to sunlight viewing. And if
you miss a day, you can make up for it
the next day, but you have to get twice
as much light.
Or twice as much duration of light. If
you really want to get technical and you
really want to measure how much light is
in your environment, you can download a
free app, something like light meter,
and that will allow your phone to act as
a bit of a light meter. It gives you a
pretty accurate measurement of how many
lux, which is a measure of brightness,
are in your environment in the morning.
And in general, that's just going to be
a good tool for
evaluating your environments. Here's
what I suggest you do. Wake up in the
morning, take light meter, point it at
the brightest light in your home, and
take a measurement. And what you'll
probably find is it's about a thousand
lux. Now go outside, and if there's some
sunlight out and there's cloud cover,
point it at the sky and press that
button. You can actually hold it down
and it'll give you a dynamic updated lux
measurement. And what you'll find is
like 5,000, 10,000, sometimes even
90,000 lux, even though you don't
experience it as so much brighter. And
that's because an indoor artificial
light is very concentrated over a a
small spatial area, whereas the sunlight
is very diffuse. But, it's that diffuse,
very bright sunlight, that photon energy
that you really want that's going to set
all the rhythms of your brain and body
in the proper way. Not just that
cortisol peak, but it's going to trigger
proper metabolism. It's going to set a
timer for you to be able to fall asleep
about 16 hours later and on and on and
on. And I should mention within the on
and on and on, it's also going to
suppress any melatonin, a hormone that
makes you sleepy that happens to be
swimming around in your bloodstream at
the time you wake up.
It does a number of other things too,
including interact with the adenosine
system and kind of wash out some of the
adenosine that might still be residual
if you didn't sleep enough.
Fundamentally speaking, get that morning
sunlight viewing.
I promise you will be grateful that you
did. It makes everybody feel better,
feel more alert, and it will greatly
assist with your ability to fall and
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now we're still focusing on this early
part of the day when you've woken up
with the first hour or so after waking.
And we can go to our list of other
levers and tools, right? We have light
and dark. We already talked about light
and sunlight in particular.
We've got temperature, food, exercise,
caffeine, supplements, and digital
tools. Now, once you've woken up and you
want to be awake, okay? So this is
likely to be early in the day if you're
following a a more standard schedule.
You will also want to leverage not just
light, but
temperature as a tool.
If you are inclined, it would be wise to
try and increase your core body
temperature
a bit more quickly than it would
otherwise if you were to just, you know,
shuffle around outside, get your
sunlight, maybe read a little bit, etc.
And there are two main ways you can do
that. The first way
is to get into cold water of some sort.
This could be a cold shower of anywhere
from 1 to 3 minutes.
This could be an ice bath if that's your
thing. It could be a cold tub, or if you
own a cold tub uh that's specifically
designed for deliberate cold exposure,
get under some cold water.
That will certainly wake you up. And if
you've ever jumped into cold water or
had a cold shower, you know it really
wakes you up because you release
adrenaline, epinephrine from both your
brain and body.
The body from your adrenals and your
brain from a little cluster of neurons
called locus ceruleus. Again, the names
don't matter. 1 to 3 minutes of cold
water exposure will wake you up because
of that adrenaline release. And, and I
want to highlight the and, it will serve
to increase your core body temperature.
That's right.
Your body and brain interact as a bit of
a thermostat system where if you put
something cold on the surface of your
body, your brain, a little cluster of
neurons in the so-called medial preoptic
area, act as a thermostat and say, "Ah,
the external of my body is cold and
therefore I'm going to heat up my core
body temperature." So, this is a little
bit paradoxical. People think, "Oh, if
you get into cold water or an ice bath,
your body temperature is going to drop."
And indeed, that's true if you stay in
for a while, but if you just get in for
about 1 to 3 minutes or under the cold
shower for 1 to 3 minutes, your core
body temperature will increase.
So, then when you get out of that cold
water,
your body temperature is increasing at
at a rate at a slope that's steeper than
it would otherwise, and you're going to
feel more alert. It also has the
advantage of increasing not just
adrenaline, but dopamine, which is a
molecule involved in motivation, focus,
etc. So, this is great for waking up.
So, we've got sunlight, we've got
temperature triggered by cold water, and
we have exercise. One of the best ways
to increase your core body temperature
early in the day is to do exercise. Now,
some of you might choose to do your
full-blown workout for the day
first thing when you wake up in the
morning. I would say the best time to
exercise, at least what the research
points to, is immediately when you wake
up in the morning, or 3 hours after
waking, or 11 hours after waking. But,
that's really getting down into
optimization for sake of muscular
strength and grip strength, and it's
very hard to give a strict prescriptive.
Here's what I suggest. If you want to be
alert early in the day and you want to
sleep great at night,
get that bright sunlight, get into some
cold water, and if you don't want to get
into some cold water, try and get some
movement. It could be a walk so you can
get your sunlight exposure while you're
taking a walk first thing in the
morning. It could be a light jog, it
could be skipping rope. These days I
skip rope for about 10 minutes or 20
minutes while looking at the sun, so I'm
trying to layer in these different
things for waking up, and then I take a
cold shower afterwards. That's what I've
been doing as of lately, but I don't do
that all year long necessarily.
Or some of you are going to be working
out mid-morning. I sometimes do that.
But, try and get your core body
temperature increased first thing in the
morning, and a great way to do that is
with a cold water,
and or with exercise. And again, it
doesn't have to be your full-blown
workout for the day if you're doing it
workouts consistently, which I hope
everybody is because everybody really
should exercise at least I believe five
or six or maybe even seven days a week.
For me, it's six days a week, sometimes
five, rarely is it seven.
So, get that exercise and even just a
modest amount of movement, walking,
jogging, skipping rope, some light
calisthenics, that will further increase
your core body temperature and help you
feel more awake. Then we have the
category of caffeine. And again, we're
just talking about this early part of
the day and you might be saying, "Wait a
second, I thought this was an episode
about tools for sleep." Well, everything
that we're talking about doing in these
first 60 to 90 minutes of the day really
set in motion a wave of biological
cascades that carry through the entire
day and into the evening and into the
night and really do serve to optimize
sleep. So, just hang in there with me.
And for those of you that are interested
in focus and attention, your ability to
learn, all of these tools and practices
are going to greatly um enhance those as
well.
So, the next category of tool for use
early in the day is caffeine. Caffeine
is a very important compound to think
about. I do realize that some people who
are prone to anxiety, especially panic
attacks and anxiety attacks, might avoid
caffeine entirely.
That's absolutely fine. You do not have
to drink caffeine. So, what I'm about to
describe are ways to leverage caffeine
use to optimize sleep and wakefulness
if you are comfortable with caffeine, if
you like caffeine. I happen to love
caffeine. I like it in the form of
coffee or espresso
or yerba mate tea, in particular
non-smoked varieties of yerba mate teas.
Non-smoked because the smoked varieties
seem to carry some carcinogenic, some
cancer-causing risk. There's increasing
data on that. So, non-smoked varieties
of
yerba mate. So, caffeine is something
that a lot of people consume early in
the day.
How much depends on your tolerance and
there's a lot of individual variability
here. Again, caffeine is an adenosine
antagonist or effectively works as an
adenosine antagonist and limits
sleepiness. I highly recommend that
everybody delay their caffeine intake
for 90 to 120 minutes after waking.
However painful it may be to eventually
arrive at that 90 to 120 minutes after
waking, you want
and I encourage you to clear out
whatever residual adenosine is
circulating in your system in that first
90 to 120 minutes of the day, get that
sunlight exposure, get some movement to
wake up, and then and only then start to
ingest caffeine.
Because what you'll do if you delay
caffeine intake until 90 to 120 minutes
after waking is you will avoid this
so-called afternoon crash. And you may
still get a little bit of dip in energy
in the afternoon, but it's not going to
be that massive crash. I've talked about
the reasons for that crash on previous
episodes, but if you delay your caffeine
intake 90 to 120 minutes after waking,
you are doing yourself a great service
towards wakefulness
and to avoid the crash. And the
afternoon crash has another liability to
it, which is typically people will
emerge from that afternoon crash either
grumpy or groggy, and then they'll lean
into drinking more caffeine, which can
then disrupt their sleep. So, wait 90 to
120 minutes after waking in the morning
to drink caffeine. And if you drink
caffeine at any point throughout the
day,
really try and avoid any caffeine.
Certainly avoid drinking more than 100
mg of caffeine after 4:00 p.m. and
probably even better to limit your last
caffeine intake to 3:00 p.m. or even
2:00 p.m. And for many people shifting
that caffeine intake from immediately
after waking in the morning to 90 to 120
minutes gives them a much longer arc of
energy throughout the day, and they
don't feel the need to drink more
caffeine later in the afternoon. If you
do drink caffeine later in the
afternoon, really try and limit the
total amount or drink decaf. Certainly
keep the total amount to less than 100
mg if you are interested in getting into
the best possible sleep. And I say this
knowing that many people, including
myself, can drink a double espresso with
200 mg of caffeine or more at 5:00 p.m.
or even 6:00 p.m. or after dinner and
still, quote and quote, fall asleep fine
or still sleep fine. However, there are
terrific data
and Matt Walker and I talked about this
and there are more and more papers all
the time that point to the fact that
caffeine intake late in the day, after
4:00 p.m. that is, can really disrupt
the architecture of your sleep. So, you
might think you're sleeping well, but
you're not sleeping nearly as well as
you could if you avoided caffeine in
those afternoon hours. Now, some of you
might be doing your main bout of
exercise first thing in the morning and
you want your caffeine before that bout
of exercise. In that case, I say, go for
it.
Drink your caffeine, do your workout
right after waking up. I don't have a
problem with that.
You will find, however, that you're
going to get an early afternoon dip in
energy and that dip in energy is going
to be substantial because it's going to
be a dip in energy that naturally
follows that
workout from the morning.
So, it's dependent on temperature and
it's going to be related to the
elimination of that adenosine blockade
by caffeine. So, you're getting a kind
of a one-two punch on your energy levels
by taking a lot of caffeine and
exercising
early in the day. You can sort of expect
that you're going to get a drop in
energy in the early afternoon. That's
okay if that's works for you, but just
know that delaying that caffeine 90 to
120 minutes after waking would be the
ideal scenario most days and most
scenarios.
All that said, I absolutely respect the
fact that people have different work
schedules, kid schedules, etc. So, if
you want to do some or none or all these
tools, that's really up to you. I'm just
providing them to you in the simplest
form that I can possibly provide them.
Now, the other lever or tool that you
have available to you is food, not just
what you eat, but when you eat. And it
turns out that if you eat early in the
day,
you support a biological clock mechanism
that will make you more alert early in
the day.
That said, many people choose to fast in
the early morning hours of the day or in
the first part of the day. I'm one such
person. I generally don't ingest any
food until about 11:00 a.m. or 12:00
noon. Sometimes I'll have a protein
shake. Sometimes I'll have some almonds.
Sometimes I'll have breakfast if people
are meeting for brunch or breakfast, I
will have breakfast for social reasons.
Every once in a while, but most of the
time I don't eat until about lunchtime.
However, some people are really hungry
when they wake up in the morning. Just
know that if you eat early in the day,
you are further triggering an increase
in metabolism and in temperature that
will make you more alert. So, you don't
have to eat early in the day, but you
can start to see how these different
tools layer together. Sunlight viewing,
exercise, cold water, eating. Many of
them are converging on the same
mechanisms. In fact, when you drink
caffeine, there's also a small increase
in body temperature due to the
adrenaline increase that it stimulates.
So, all of these things can be layered
on top of one another or you can use
them individually or think about them
individually. Now, food is an
interesting lever or tool because it's
not just about when you eat, but it's
also about what you eat. And I've talked
a lot about eating for energy and what
that means in terms of caloric energy
versus neural energy, etc. in previous
podcast episodes. We're not going to
focus on that now because frankly, to
get into a description of whether or not
somebody should eat fruits or vegetables
or animal proteins or dairy, etc. early
in the day, that's very nuanced. What
you eat for your breakfast or if you
choose to not eat breakfast is really up
to you.
All that said, if you eat a very large
meal, it doesn't matter if you slept
terrifically well 10 hours the night
before or if you are about to go to
sleep or if it's the middle of the
afternoon. If your gut is full of food,
there's just a large volume of food in
your gut, it's going to divert a lot of
blood and other critical resources away
from other organs of your body, in
particular your brain, and you're going
to be sleepy after eating a big meal.
So, this is sort of a duh, but I think
oftentimes in the discussions about what
to eat for energy, people neglect to
consider food volume as a strong
parameter or variable in that
discussion. So, if you eat a huge
breakfast, it's likely that you are
going to be tired immediately after
eating that breakfast, unless of course
you exercise very hard prior to that and
you metabolize all that food very
quickly.
So, it's up to you whether or not to eat
first thing in the morning or not, but
if you do eat in the first few hours of
the morning, just understand that you
are setting or you're helping to set a
food entrained, as it's called,
circadian clock. Light, temperature,
timing of food intake, movement and
exercise, all of these things
literally funnel in, in a neural sense,
they funnel into this thing that we call
the circadian clock, and they let that
clock, that set of neurons, predict when
you are likely to be eating and active
and
viewing sunlight the next day and the
next day and the next day. I say all
this because there are some beautiful
studies,
and I'll highlight one, again, in the
show note captions, that show that if
people are having a hard time waking up
in the morning, one of the things they
can do is maximize sunlight viewing,
exercise in the morning, drink caffeine,
although again, I support
the idea that that would best be done
about 90 to 120 minutes after waking,
eating some food
in those early morning hours, etc., etc.
You can layer in multiple levers or
tools in order to be more alert. And
that's what these levers and tools are
really there for in this sense of what
we're talking about today, which is
optimizing sleep. Yes, they will make
you more alert. Yes, they will provide
some adrenaline and dopamine, for
instance, the cold water, etc., etc. But
the reason we're talking about these
things in the context of sleep is that
they start to give your body some
predictable autonomic timing. What is
predictable automa- autonomic timing?
Well, your autonomic nervous system is
the components of your brain and body
that cause wakefulness and sleepiness.
And you can start to create some
predictability in that autonomic timing.
You can start to do things that really
make it such that you naturally wake up
at 6:00 in the morning or 5:00 in the
morning. That's right. If you're
somebody who naturally is a night owl,
who
likes to stay up until 2:00 in the
morning and sleep until 10:00 a.m. and
you now have a job or you have to go to
school or you have a partner that likes
to get up early and go to sleep early,
well, you can make that happen and you
can make that happen pretty painlessly
if you take a week or so and go to sleep
30 minutes or an hour earlier each
night, set an alarm and wake up 30
minutes or an hour earlier each morning
until, of course, you're waking up at
the time you want to wake up. And then,
even in that groggy state,
get some exercise, get some sunlight
viewing. If the sun's not out, turn on
those bright artificial lights. Have
some breakfast, even if you're not
hungry. In fact, for those of you that
engage in shift work because you have to
or travel and you're jet lagged, one of
the quickest ways to shift your
circadian clock and get onto the local
schedule is to eat on the local
schedule. So, what all these tools do is
they really set up a cascade or think of
it as kind of a wave front of
wakefulness and focus throughout the
day. It'll take you through the middle
of the day and the afternoon stages
we'll talk about in a few minutes, but
really they take you to this period that
is about 5:00 p.m. until your bedtime. I
realize some people are going to bed
very early, like 8:00 p.m. or 9:00 p.m.,
which to me seems very early. But very
few people go to sleep at 5:00 p.m.,
right? Unless you're doing that for
shift work or other reasons. But from
5:00 p.m. until bedtime is really a
critical period in which you need to
leverage particular tools in order to
get and stay asleep
optimally and to be able to sleep
through the night. So, really there are
three critical periods throughout each
24-hour cycle, and during each of those
critical periods, you're going to want
to do as many specific things as you can
to optimize your wakefulness and focus
and mood throughout the day and your
sleep at night.
The first critical period is the one
that we've been talking about up until
now. Things like morning sunlight
viewing, caffeine 90 to 120 minutes
after waking, exercise, and so on. We
can call that critical period one, and
it really encompasses the time from
which you wake up until about 3 hours
after waking. Although, I should just
mention cuz there are always those
people say, "Wait, I wake up at 4:00
a.m. and the sun isn't out until 8:00
a.m." Okay, so it might be 4 hours, but
really it's those early morning hours of
your day once you're awake.
The second critical period is the time
throughout the day and afternoon leading
into evening. So, you may ask, "What are
the things that you can do throughout
the day, the middle of your day and into
the afternoon and evening hours that are
really going to set you up for the best
possible sleep later that night?"
Well, there are a few do's and there are
a few don'ts. First of all, be careful
about ingesting too much caffeine
throughout the middle of the day. That's
kind of an obvious one for the reasons
that we talked about earlier.
Second of all,
if you are a napper, and I raise my hand
now. For those of you listening, I'm
raising my right hand because I love
naps. I've always loved naps. Nowadays,
I do NSDR or a
revery sleep hypnosis almost every day.
And I tend to do that, as I mentioned,
in the early afternoon hours if I'm
feeling kind of sleepy because even
though I optimize my caffeine intake
timing, et cetera, I tend to get a
little sleepy in the afternoon. Most
people get a little sleepy in the
afternoon. Some of that is related to
hitting that peak of body temperature,
and you might think, "Wait, I thought
high body temperature is associated with
alertness." And it is, but right as you
crest that high body temperature and
your body temperature starts to drop,
there's a tendency to be a little bit
sleepy. So, some of you might opt to
take a nap in the afternoon.
Should you nap? Should you not nap?
That's a question that I get asked a lot
and that I asked Dr. Matthew Walker when
he was a guest on this podcast. Here was
his answer and here's what the data
support. It is fine to nap in the
afternoon, but don't nap so late in the
day or for so long that it disrupts your
ability to fall and stay asleep at night
for your major sleep bout. Okay? So,
naps are fine, but don't sleep so long
during the day or too late in the day
that it disrupts your ability to fall
and stay asleep.
I should also say you do not have to
nap.
It's kind of an interesting phenomenon
that happens on these podcasts and on
social media where we'll talk about naps
and the fact that naps are great and
don't make them longer than 90 minutes,
but then all the non-nappers get really
worried like, "Wait, am I supposed to
nap? I don't like naps. I wake up
groggy." You do not have to nap. In
fact, if you can make it through your
whole day without napping, great, more
power to you. But, if you do nap and you
find that naps serve you well, keep
those naps shorter than 90 minutes for
reasons related to ultradian cycles and
so forth. And make sure that you don't
nap too late in the day that you are
then staying up too late at night and
having a hard time waking up the next
morning.
I will say that for a lot of people who
do not like naps or that find they wake
up really grumpy from naps or groggy
from naps,
I encourage you to try the Reverie app,
try an NSDR script, try yoga nidra, try
something of that sort for anywhere from
10 to 20 to 30 minutes.
I tend to do this every day. Now, I'll
just lie down and I I love yoga nidra, I
love NSDR scripts, I love using the
Reverie app in particular the
portion of the Reverie app that gets you
better at sleeping. It really is
beneficial for me because it serves as
very replenishing while I'm doing that
hypnosis, but it's also gotten me much
better at falling and staying asleep and
falling back asleep in the middle of the
night. So, this critical period
throughout the day is one in which most
people are doing a lot of stuff. They're
emailing and picking up kids and they're
exercising and they're commuting and
doing all sorts of things, taking phone
calls and Zooms, etc. But, if you can
get that period of deep relaxation
through a nap or NSDR,
that's going to serve you well. Try not
to drink too much caffeine, certainly no
more than 100 mg of caffeine
after 4:00 p.m. if your goal is to fall
asleep at a reasonably normal time. And
for those of you that exercise in the
afternoon,
understand that if you exercise very
intensely, so this might be weight
training or running or some other very
intense exercise, typically that's going
to further increase your body
temperature.
Makes sense, right? Based on everything
we know about metabolism and body
temperature. And it's going to so-called
delay your circadian clock. It's going
to make it such that you want to fall
asleep a little bit later, maybe even a
lot later. So, if you're exercising in
the afternoon or evening and that's the
only time you can exercise or that's the
time that you prefer to exercise, great.
But, be careful about ingesting too much
caffeine in order to get the energy to
do that exercise cuz that caffeine will
disrupt your sleep. And
just know that you are delaying your
circadian clock. You are making it such
that you will naturally want to go to
sleep later and wake up later.
Contrast that with if you exercise early
in the day, say immediately after waking
up or in the first
0 to 4 hours after waking,
in most cases that's not going to shift
your circadian clock much. And toward
the end of the episode, we'll talk a
little bit about forced exercise prior
to wake up times. That doesn't mean
doing exercise in your sleep. That means
deliberately setting alarm and getting
out of bed much earlier than you
naturally would. That turns out to be a
very potent tool to so-called advance
your circadian clock.
So, we can talk about that a little bit
later in the episode. But, this critical
period two in the middle of the day is
when you're going to want to leverage
specific tools. And we've talked about
those.
Limiting caffeine intake,
being mindful of the clock delaying
effects of exercise, the fact that also
if you're going to nap, you don't want
to nap too long or too late into the
day. Otherwise, it'll disrupt your
nighttime sleep. So,
this critical period two, or second
critical period I should say, during the
middle of the day is a time in which you
should be doing certain things and
avoiding doing certain things. So, that
raises the question of whether or not
you should also be getting a lot of
light, in particular sunlight,
throughout the day. Now, that's
something that hasn't been explored too
much in the literature until recently
when Dr. Samer Hattar, who's the
director of the Chronobiology Unit at
the National Institutes of Mental
Health, has decided to do a number of
experiments exploring the effects of
light on mood and other aspects of brain
function and body function when that
light is delivered not just in the
morning, which is great for us, but also
throughout the day. So, should you be
looking at sunlight or bright artificial
lights throughout the day?
Now, on the face of it, you might just
think, yes, you know, sunlight's great.
Provided we're not getting a sunburn,
we're not staring at the sun and
damaging our eyes, we should get as much
sunlight as we possibly can. In fact, we
talked about this in the episode on
hormones about how getting light onto as
much of our skin as we can throughout
the day can really help in the
production of testosterone and estrogen
in both men and women in healthy ways
that improves mood and libido and all
sorts of things
that are associated with well-being.
However, because light is such a
powerful stimulus for controlling the
timing of your sleepfulness, or
sleepiness, I should say, and
wakefulness,
we might want to be cautious about how
much light we are viewing in the
afternoon, in particular in the early
evening hours, right? Well, turns out
it's not so straightforward. Viewing, so
sunlight to the eyes, sunlight in the
late afternoon and evening hours, so
again, depends on time of year, depends
on location that you happen to be in,
but getting some sunlight in your eyes
for, again, maybe 5 or 10, maybe 30
minutes, depending on how much cloud
cover there is, doing that in the
afternoon serves an additional
beneficial purpose, which is
you protect or you inoculate your
nervous system against some of the
negative effects of bright artificial
light or even dim artificial light
in the night time hours between 10:00
p.m. and 4:00 a.m. which is really
critical period three and we'll talk
about what to do and what to not do
during critical period three of every
24-hour cycle. But to make it very clear
what I'm saying here,
get that morning sunlight in your eyes,
but also get some sunlight in your eyes
in the late afternoon and evening hours
when the sun is at so-called low solar
angle when it starts to descend in the
sky. Again, you don't have to stare
directly at the sun, although if you can
catch a nice beautiful sunset, go for
it. But as the sun starts to descend,
it triggers those same neurons in your
eye
that communicate with your circadian
clock, but it communicates with a
different component or different
compartment within the circadian clock.
That circadian clock is not just one
thing, it's multiple things and you have
what are called morning oscillators and
evening oscillators. And to make a long
story short, the tool that I'm
describing of looking at the sun in the
late afternoon and evening, again,
blinking is fine. Don't stare at the
sun, but getting that sunlight in your
eyes in the late afternoon and evening
signals to that clock that it's evening
time and that sleep is coming.
It also serves as a second anchor or
reference point for your body and your
brain to know where it is in time.
Remember back to the beginning of the
episode when I said, your brain and your
body and all your organs are locked
inside this skin and this skull and they
don't know what's going on in the
outside world. Well, that morning
sunlight viewing and the other things
you do during critical period one,
those provide one strong set of signals
that it's wake up time and time to be
alert and time to be focused. And then
in the evening, by getting sunlight in
your eyes again, and in particular
sunlight that comes from low solar angle
sunlight,
well, that provides a second stimulus or
a second reference point that tells your
brain and body, "Hey, it's evening. The
sun is descending." And you might say,
"Wait, how does the brain and these
neurons know the difference between
morning light and evening light?" It
turns out has to do with the particular
wavelengths of light that are present in
morning versus evening. It's an
incredible mechanism, and
you are probably familiar with the fact
that when the sun is directly overhead,
it's really bright,
white, and yellow, and the sky's often
blue, and if there's cloud cover, it
just comes through as a bunch of bright
light. Well, next time you're out in the
morning, take a look at what a sunrise
looks like. There's a lot of yellow-blue
contrast. And those yellow-blue signals
important specific sets of cells in your
eye and brain that it's morning. In the
evening, you're also going to see yellow
and blue, but the ratio of of yellows
and blues is now changed, and you also
see some oranges, and in a really
brilliant sunset, you'll see some reds.
If you haven't noticed this already,
you'll really want to look for this.
It's really kind of fun and cool to look
at. Well, those yellows and blues and
oranges that you see in the evening
sunsets, those signal to your brain and
body that evening is there and that
night time is coming, and they're really
establishing a second reference point or
wave front of biological signals that
are going to optimize your night time
hours and your transition into really
terrific sleep. So, now let's talk about
what I'm calling critical period three
of each 24-hour cycle. So, this would be
the period of time of late evening, so
it might be 6:00 p.m. for some,
depending on when you go to sleep, or
7:00 p.m., extending into the hours
in which you decide to get into bed and
go to sleep, and then throughout the
night.
There are a number of things that you're
going to want to do, and there are a
number of things that you are going to
want to avoid doing in order to optimize
your sleep. First of all, you're going
to want to avoid bright artificial
lights of any color.
Yes, of any color.
We haven't talked a lot about blue
blockers, you know, lenses that block
blue wavelengths or short wavelengths of
light.
I don't have anything against blue
blockers. In fact, many people find that
blue blockers provide them some relief
from headache and some eye strain if
they wear blue blockers throughout the
day and certainly at night, but you
don't need them. And even if you do wear
them, you will find that if lights are
very bright, doesn't matter if it's a
blue light, a yellow light, or a red
light, those bright lights will wake up
your brain and body. They will activate
the same mechanisms that were activated
early in the day by sunlight. However,
and here's the really diabolical twist.
I mentioned this earlier, but the
diabolical twist in the way that your
brain and body respond to light is that
early in the day,
in the morning hours, you need a lot of
bright light ideally from sunlight to be
very alert and to wake up. But, in the
evening hours and nighttime hours, it
takes very little light, very few
photons in order to wake up your brain
and body and to disrupt your circadian
clock and disrupt your sleep. So, what
that means is that once the sun goes
down,
which of course is going to happen at
different times of year in different
places on Earth, but once the sun goes
down, you would be wise to try and dim
the lights in your indoor environment
most days, right? I realize some nights
you're going to throw a party and have
people over, you might not want to dim
the lights. Some nights you're going to
go out, you might view a lot of bright
lights, but most nights of your life
you're going to want to dim the lights
in your internal
environment. And ideally the lights that
you do use, you would place low in that
physical environment. So, you would try
and not use overhead lights, but rather
rely on desk lamps or lights even placed
low to the floor, even on the floor.
If you are going to use light at night
and most people do, I would encourage
you to use as little artificial light as
is required to carry out the activities
you need to require safely.
That could be studying, in which case
you might need a little bit more light
in order to read or study. If you're
watching a television show or you're
watching something on your computer, dim
that screen way, way down, as dim as
possible while still of course being
able to view what you need to view. Even
better, I should say ideally you would
use candlelight and/or moonlight. Now,
some nights the moon is really bright
and you actually can use moonlight to go
about your usual activities. Moonlight
might seem very, very bright, but
actually moonlight is fairly low light
intensity. And candlelight, which can
also seem very bright, actually is very
low light intensity. If you're
sitting across a table with some
candlelight there, and it's a really
bright candle, chances are it's only
about 3 to 10 lux, which is very, very
little light energy compared to say an
artificial desk lamp or an overhead
light, which is going to be in the area
of anywhere from 100 to 1,000 lux.
So, candlelight is fine. Of course, be
cautious with open flame, but
candlelight is fine, moonlight is fine,
dimming artificial lights is fine
provided they're dimmed way, way down.
And again, try to avoid using overhead
artificial lights. The absolute worst
lights are going to be overhead
fluorescent lights of the sort that you
would have in the supermarket, or
that you would see at a gas station or
something of that sort. And I confess
there are times in which I'm, you know,
driving home and it's late at night and
I want to be able to get to sleep and
I'll need to stop at the grocery store
or a gas station or something like that.
I've actually put on sunglasses at night
in order to avoid getting that bright
light exposure
at night, although that's a little bit
extreme.
I have done that from time to time
because that bright light exposure will
absolutely quash, it will eliminate any
melatonin that happens to be circulating
in your brain and body. Now, melatonin,
a lot of people think of as a
supplement, but melatonin is naturally
released as the evening comes about and
into the nighttime hours. It's the
hormone that makes you feel sleepy and
allows you to fall asleep. So, viewing
bright light in the late evening hours
and nighttime hours is really not good
for your sleep quality and your ability
to fall and stay asleep.
So, for most people, a simple rule of
thumb is going to be avoid bright
artificial lights of all colors
and in particular overhead bright
artificial lights between the hours of
10:00 p.m. and 4:00 a.m. That's right,
between 10:00 p.m. and 4:00 a.m. avoid
those bright artificial lights as much
as possible. Use only as much light as
is absolutely necessary in order to
carry out the routines and activities
you need to carry out safely. I should
mention that the reason overhead lights
are problematic is the same reason why
sunlight is so great early in the day,
which is that the cells, that is the
neurons that can wake up the your brain
and body through activation of the
circadian clock reside mainly in the
bottom half or 2/3 of your neural
retina. And the way the optics of your
eyes work is that the cells on the
bottom half of your eye view the upper
visual field. So, this is a beautiful
adaptive mechanism
that allows these cells to respond to
overhead light from sunlight
in the early part of the day and
throughout the day, but in the evening
if you have bright artificial lights on
and those bright artificial lights are
overhead lights, it's going to more
closely mimic what sunlight does in the
evening time. And that turns out to be a
bad thing if your goal is to eventually
go to sleep. So, again, do like the
Scandinavians do. Use lights that are
set low in the room at night. And if you
really want to optimize your sleep-wake
cycles, I suppose you could also do the
opposite throughout the day. You could
really emphasize the use of bright
artificial lights and sunlight that
comes from above. And of course,
sunlight always comes from above, but if
you're working in a given, you know,
office environment and you know, it's
2:00 p.m. or 3:00 p.m. and you want to
be as awake possible, really crank up
the overhead lights. And then in the
evening, which is this critical period
three that we're referring to, really
try and dim those lights or have them
off or just rely on candlelight or
moonlight from the hours of about 10:00
p.m. until 4:00 a.m.
Our good friend Samer Hattar, who's been
on this podcast before. Samer is
director of the chronobiology unit at
the National Institutes of Mental
Health. Well, he's absolutely obsessive
about this light stuff and avoiding
light at night. In fact, he
lives in what I sort of joke is like a
cave at night from 9:00 p.m. until 5:00
p.m., which is really his um kind of
sleep cycle.
He has his house so dark that you'd be
lucky to be able to find a spoon in the
kitchen. In fact, you'd be lucky to find
your way down the hallway if you're me.
But, in any case, dim the lights, turn
them way, way down. It will serve you
well. It will
make it much easier for you to get
sleepy and stay sleepy and fall asleep
and stay asleep throughout the night.
Now, not to depart from this critical
period three, but if you recall, viewing
that afternoon light,
right? The low solar angle light as the
sun is heading down in the sky, so it
could be sunset or what I call circa
sunset, around sunset, well, doing that
is going to slightly, but not completely
offset any of the negative effects of
viewing artificial light at night. So, I
don't want to give people a pass here,
but let's say you know that you're going
to watch some Netflix at night or you're
going to be up late studying and yet you
still want to be able to fall and stay
asleep, definitely make sure you see
that evening light. There's a great
study. We'll provide a link to the study
which showed that if people view evening
sunset light or evening sunsets or
sunlight right around the time of
sunset, it really serves to inoculate or
offset some, again, some, not all of the
negative effects of artificial light
between the hours of 10:00 p.m. and 4:00
a.m. Now, that's light, but as you
recall, we also have this tool related
to temperature.
And
you're probably not going to be
surprised that the way to leverage
temperature in the evening is the exact
opposite of the way that you want to
leverage temperature early in the day.
Early in the day, temperature increases
from cold showers or exercise, etc.,
wake you up. What that means is that
taking a cold shower late at night is
probably a bad idea.
Rather, taking a nice hot bath or a
sauna,
you might think would heat up your body
and indeed that's what happens if you
stay in a very long time, but if you do
hot tub or a hot bath or a sauna in the
evening and you don't stay in for more
than 20 or 30 minutes and you get out,
you take maybe a cool-ish shower or a
warm shower,
then what happens is there's a
compensatory cooling off of your core
body temperature for the reasons we
discussed earlier and your body
temperature will drop by 1 to 3 degrees
and it will make it much easier to get
into sleep. So, if you're somebody that
enjoys hot baths, hot showers,
or hot tubs, evening and night time is
going to be the best time to do that if
your goal is to facilitate sleep.
Similarly, you should try and make your
sleeping environment pretty cool if not
cold. Now, that doesn't mean you need to
be cold while you're asleep. You can get
under as many blankets as you need, but
it's a good idea to make your sleeping
environment cool. In fact, drop the
temperature in that sleeping environment
by at least 3 degrees
and you'll be happy that you did. Now,
some people rely on things like Eight
Sleep. That I use that one of these
controllable temperature mattress
covers.
Other people would simply do this by
putting a fan in the room or opening a
window. Again, depends on time of year,
depends on technology, depends on
budgets, et cetera. But, you're going to
want to sleep in a relatively cool or
cold sleeping environment and then layer
on the blankets as needed to stay
asleep. And I say as needed because one
of the things that you're going to do in
your sleep or if you happen to wake up
is if you're too warm, you're going to
put a foot or a hand out from under
those blankets. And the reason for doing
that is very logical once you understand
the mechanism. You have special portals,
you essentially
have ways of passing heat, excuse me, in
and out of your body primarily through
the palms of your hands, the upper half
of your face, and the bottoms of your
feet through so-called glabrous skin.
This was covered in the episode with Dr.
Craig Heller from the biology department
at Stanford.
If you lower the temperature in your
sleeping environment, so lower the
temperature in that room or use a
controllable mattress cover that can
cool down like Eight Sleep or something
of that sort, it's naturally going to
make your sleeping environment cooler
and if you're too warm under the
blankets, all you have to do is extend a
hand or a foot out from under those
blankets. Whereas if the sleeping
environment that you're in is too warm,
there's very little you can do to cool
off besides push off those blankets. So
for instance, if you're too warm and
you're waking up in the middle of the
night, which is what happens if you get
too warm, you'll push off those
blankets, but if the room is too warm,
well what are you going to do? You'd
probably have to put your hands into
some cool water or take a coolish shower
or something for a couple of seconds.
That's not very practical. Better to
just keep the sleeping environment cool.
I'm not a big fan of people putting
socks on while they sleep, or I should
say I'm not a fan of putting socks on
while I sleep because that eliminates
this glabrous skin portal on the bottoms
of one's feet. So for those of you that
have heard, you know, wear socks while
you sleep, that works great for people
that tend to run too cold while they
sleep and wake up because their feet get
cold. But if you're somebody who wakes
up in the middle of the night, chances
are you're waking up because you're
getting too warm, and the best thing
that you could do is to cool or lower
the temperature in the room that you're
sleeping and not wear socks, get under
as many blankets as you need to, fall
asleep, and then across the night,
you'll naturally just move a hand or a
foot or all hands and feet out from
under those blankets to cool off because
of the relationship between temperature
and sleep, that is dropping your core
body temperature 1 to 3°. Gets you into
sleep and helps you stay asleep. So
let's say you do exercise late in the
day and you're finding yourself very
alert in the evening and you need to
fall asleep. Or let's say you've
exercised and you needed four cups of
espresso in order to do that exercise.
Well, there are a few things that you
can do to try and bring your nervous
system down into more state of calmness,
and you can do that also by lowering
your core body temperature.
One of those I already talked about
before, taking a nice hot shower or a
hot bath and then getting out and
cooling off will decrease your body
temperature. Maybe not enough to get you
into sleep if you have a ton of caffeine
in your system, but again, you can use
this mechanism of
temperature shifts to wake up or
temperature shifts to fall asleep in
ways that really can help you overcome
some of with
you know, irregularities in your
sleep-wake cycle and exercise cycle,
etc. Because, of course,
nobody's perfect. Some days we end up
having to work out in the afternoon or
we'll miss the workout entirely. Other
days we end up having that cup of coffee
in the afternoon with a friend and then
we have a hard time falling asleep. So,
you can use these tools not just in
their optimized form, you know, being
you know, absolutely obsessive and
compulsive about exactly when you do
each of those tools. That would be
wonderful, but
life happens, as they say, and some days
you're going to feel too alert at night
and you want to fall asleep or you got
to get up
especially early the next morning and
you're not somebody who normally goes to
bed at 10:00 p.m. Well, that's when
something like a hot bath or a sauna can
really benefit you because it can adjust
your temperature rhythm accordingly. I
would be remiss if I didn't touch on
alcohol and CBD and THC. I always get
questions about these and I should say,
of course, many places, but not all, THC
is illegal, although there are medical
uses and some places it's
decriminalized, other places it's legal.
Alcohol, of course, is consumed almost
as frequently as caffeine is consumed. I
personally don't drink alcohol. I don't
have anything against it, per se, I just
don't tend to enjoy it.
One of the reasons I don't enjoy it is
if I drink alcohol, I simply fall
asleep. So, that doesn't really get
accomplished any of the things that I
really want to accomplish because the
sleep that one gets
after drinking alcohol is greatly
disrupted sleep. Hate to break it to
you,
but that's the truth. And when Dr. Matt
Walker came on this podcast, he said
exactly the same thing. While
THC and alcohol do help some people
fall asleep and maybe even stay asleep,
the architecture of that sleep is
sub-optimal compared to the sleep they
would get without alcohol or THC in
their system. So, I'm not here to tell
you what to do or not to do. I'm
certainly not
the substance police, that's not my
role. I'm just reporting to you the
biology. If your
sleep is not restoring you to the extent
that you feel it should,
or if you are regularly
relying on a drink or two in order to
fall asleep
or THC in order to fall asleep
that is disrupting your total pattern of
sleep. However, I do realize that
nowadays a lot of people are relying on
THC and or CBD
especially edible forms in order to fall
and stay asleep and you know, we can
just acknowledge the data. It does seem
that there's a anxiety lowering effect
of some of those compounds that do help
people who have a hard time falling and
staying asleep because of reasons
related to anxiety. Although in a moment
we'll talk about some supplements and
supplement protocols that can also
assist in the ability to fall and stay
asleep and that can adjust the anxiety
and that do not seem to disrupt sleep
architecture in negative ways and in
fact can enhance the depth and quality
of sleep architecture. Okay, so you've
done everything correctly up until now.
You got your morning routine from
critical period one, you got your
afternoon routine, you saw some sunlight
in the afternoon, you avoided caffeine
in the eight hours or 10 hours before
bedtime, you're not drinking alcohol,
you've cooled down the room, uh you're
doing all these things right. You've
dimmed the lights etc. etc. What else
can we do in order to optimize our
sleep? Well, I always say
behavioral tools first then look to
nutrition, then if necessary look to
supplementation and then if still
necessary look to prescription drugs
obviously prescribed by a board
certified physician.
Well, we've talked a lot about the
behavioral tools for critical period
three. We have not talked a lot about
the supplementation based tools. There
are supplements that for most people
will greatly improve their ability to
fall and stay asleep and the three main
supplements in that
category or that kit of sleep
supplements and I've talked about these
before are magnesium threonate so t h r
e o n a t e
apigenin
a p i g e n i n apigenin and theanine t
h e a n i n e, theanine. Now, some
important things to point out about mag
three and eight, as it's called,
apigenin and theanine. First of all, you
don't necessarily need to take all
three, although many people get a
synergistic effect from taking all
three. In fact, you may not even need to
take even one. What I recommend is that
if you're already doing all the
behavioral tools regularly, and you're
still having trouble falling asleep and
staying asleep,
well, then
you might try one of the supplements
within this sleep stack. They do have
fairly wide margins for safety, although
I should also say,
anytime you're going to add or remove
something from your supplement protocol,
your nutritional program, you definitely
want to talk to your physician. I don't
just say that to protect us, I say that
to protect you. But, for most people,
the margins of safety on these things
are going to be pretty broad. A couple
of notes about dosages.
For some people, the dosages of any one
or several of the supplements I
mentioned will be zero. That is, you
won't need them in order to get and stay
asleep most nights of your life.
That's terrific if you don't need them.
For many people, however, taking 145 mg
of magnesium threeonate
can be very beneficial. That's the
dosage that most people will benefit
from. Some people need to go a little
higher, some people need to go a little
bit lower.
One of the reasons that we've been
pointing people towards single
ingredient formulations these days
is because it allows people to adjust
the dosage of one component of a
so-called sleep stack without having to
disrupt the dosage of another component,
and so on. It also allows people to try
just one element within
the sleep stack without having to
purchase and try the others, which is a
problem if you're buying a blend of a
lot of different ingredients. So, 145 mg
of magnesium threeonate,
50 5 0 mg of apigenin, and again, you
could just take the apigenin on its own,
and 100 to 400 mg of theanine,
taken again, alone or in combination
with the other
supplements mentioned in this stack,
many people find allows them to get
really drowsy and fall asleep, sleep
really deeply, and they feel much more
refreshed the next day, and they don't
have a grogginess
to them. Now, a couple of notes about
these different supplements.
About 5% of people
report that magnesium threonate really
disrupts their gut. It gives them
diarrhea or gastric distress, in which
case, don't take it. If magnesium
threonate disrupts your
gut or your digestion
to the point where it's uncomfortable or
at all, and you don't like it, don't
take any of it. The proper dosage for
you, in other words, would be 0 mg.
Now, in a slightly different way, many
people who can tolerate magnesium
threonate or really thrive on magnesium
threonate,
and like apigenin, might find that
theanine,
even at the lowest dose of 100 mg, cuz
again, the range is 100 to 400 mg, that
theanine gives them such vivid dreams
that they actually
find it disruptive, or they wake up in
the middle of the night, or they find
that the sleep that they're getting is
kind of anxiety-ridden because of the
intensity of those dreams. So, some
people might choose to leave theanine
out of the sleep stack and just take
magnesium threonate or apigenin. Again,
some people might leave magnesium
threonate out of the sleep stack.
Again, all of this is really about
finding the supplementation protocol
that's ideal for you. I should mention
that whether or not you're taking one or
two or three of the components of the
sleep stack,
the ideal time to take those is 30 to 60
minutes before bedtime, especially if
you haven't had anything to eat for the
3 hours or so before bedtime. I confess
that oftentimes I'll have a little bit
of a snack late in the evening, some
berries or something. I try not to eat
too close to bedtime, but some evenings,
just because of work schedule, I'll get
home late, be 9:00 p.m., and I'll eat a
big meal, and then I'll take the sleep
stack and fall asleep. Every once in a
while, that just so happens. Nobody's
perfect. Certainly, I'm not.
But, that sleep stack can be very
beneficial, and I do think that it's
preferable to melatonin. Here's the
reason. First of all, melatonin is a
hormone that you endogenously make. You
now know a lot about melatonin and its
control by light, meaning light inhibits
it or eliminates it. Darkness promotes
it.
And melatonin
indeed can help us fall asleep, but the
dosages of melatonin that are contained
in most commercial products is far, far,
far greater than what we would make
endogenously. So, it's really supra
physiological. So, that's of concern
because melatonin is not just
responsible for making us sleepy and
fall asleep. It also does things like
interacts with other hormone systems,
testosterone and estrogen even in the
puberty system in kids.
Is taking melatonin every once in a
while a problem for adjusting to jet
lag, etc.? Probably not. I would even
say no, but taking it chronically over
time, especially kids taking it
chronically over time, can potentially
be problematic. So, at least in my
opinion, these other supplements are
going to be preferable to to melatonin.
Now, as I mentioned at the beginning of
today's episode, there are some other
things that I certainly take every once
in a while and that other people might
consider taking in addition to the sleep
stack I talked about before or in place
of that sleep stack if that sleep stack
doesn't work well for them. So, every
third or fourth night I will take 2 g of
glycine and 100 mg of GABA
in addition to the standard sleep stack
that I talked about before. So, I'm
taking Mag Three and A, apigenin and
theanine, and then I will also take 2 g
of glycine and GABA, which I find
greatly enhances
my ability to get into sleep, but the
reason I only add glycine and GABA every
third or fourth night is that if I take
it too often, I find that the entire
sleep stack doesn't work quite as
effectively. I don't know exactly why
this is the case, but in any event,
that's what I do. And more recently,
I've also started using inositol, in
particular myo-inositol,
every other night. I'll take 900 mg of
myo-inositol in addition to mag three
and eight apigenin, and theanine.
And not on the nights when I take
glycine and GABA.
So, I'm adding 900 mg of an inositol to
the standard sleep stack of mag three
and eight theanine and apigenin.
And what I find is not only does it
greatly enhance my ability to fall
asleep quickly, but if I wake up in the
middle of the night, which I often do,
to use the bathroom, I find it very,
very easy to fall back asleep. Whereas
when I don't take an inositol
every other night or so,
I find that if I wake up in the middle
of the night, it's a bit more of a
challenge to fall back asleep. So,
inositol has a number of different uses
that have been discussed in terms of
mental health and in terms of adjusting
anxiety. For its daytime use, what I'm
talking about is taking 900 mg of
myo-inositol also 30 to 60 minutes
before sleep along with the standard
sleep stack, and I found that to be
immensely beneficial. I also noticed
that it has a pretty long tail of
anxiety suppression throughout the day.
And I'm not somebody who suffers from
anxiety, but I have to say it just has
led me to feel a bit calmer throughout
the day, and
I don't really know how to say this
except in subjective terms, to feel a
bit more buffered against or resilient
against stress events. And if you look
at the literature on inositol and its
interactions with the serotonin system
and other systems, it that all makes
sense as to why that would be the case.
So, we'll provide links to our so-called
sleep kit, which is part of our Neural
Network newsletter. It's a zero-cost
newsletter where you can access this
information about supplements and other
behavioral tools for sleep in list form,
but that sleep kit doesn't include some
of the newer information that I've
provided this episode, in particular the
information about inositol. And what I'm
finding to be the very beneficial use of
an inositol
for
the ability to fall back asleep after
waking up in the middle of the night,
which is something that a lot of people
struggle with. Now, that's
supplementation for falling and staying
asleep, but
we can return to the behavioral tools
also has powerful levers and tools for
falling asleep and getting back to
sleep. And again, we look to NSDR
non-sleep deep rest or the Reverie app
as a way to do that. As I mentioned
earlier, the Reverie app has been
developed on the basis of really
high-quality peer-reviewed research both
clinical and non-clinical by my
colleague David Spiegel, who's our
associate chair of psychiatry at
Stanford. It's a wonderful tool. It does
carry a cost after the initial 7-day
trial. I can tell you what the what the
cost on that is.
So you can get a sense
um
because I do realize that anything that
carries a cost for some people it won't
be accessible. Right now, Reverie and I
should just mention they didn't pay us
for an ad read. I'm just telling you
what they told me so that I can
accurately report what uh what it cost
to use Reverie. They have a monthly
subscription to use the Reverie app at
$14.99. You do get the 7-day free trial.
They have a yearly subscription of
$99.99 $99.99 with a 7-day free trial
and they have a lifetime purchase
one-time purchase of $249 with no trial.
It right now is only available for
Apple, not for Android, but they are yes
going to have it available for Android
soon. There's a sign-up list there.
I should mention that while the cost
might seem high if you compare that cost
to say supplements or you compare that
cost to a poor night's sleep over time,
the cost to at least to me seems
somewhat modest.
Um certainly within range for a number
of people, but I acknowledge not within
range for other people, which is why
I also want to point to zero-cost tools
and the zero-cost tool for getting
asleep, staying asleep, and falling back
asleep is going to be NSDR. We'll put a
link to a non-sleep deep rest protocol
that's available on YouTube, so
available to anybody zero cost provided
you have a um internet connection.
Again, dim the screen if you're going to
turn that on late at night. And there
are a number of other yoga nidra scripts
and apps and sources around the internet
and in particular on YouTube that are
zero cost that you could use if the
Reverie app is outside your price range
or is not preferable to you,
etc.
When I wake up in the middle of the
night, it's usually to use the restroom.
I'll go use the restroom. I'll keep the
lights as dim as possible. I'll get back
into bed and if I find that it's easy to
fall asleep, great. I'm asleep. And if
not, then I will generally plug in the
Reverie app. They have a fallback asleep
hypnosis and 99 times out of 100, I'm
back asleep within minutes and I don't
wake up until morning. Now, very
briefly, I just want to touch on some
tools that are very commonly used by
many people out there and believe it or
not, there is peer-reviewed science on
things like eye masks. Do eye masks
improve your ability to stay asleep? And
indeed, they do, provided they are not
too tight and provided that the room is
cool enough. Why? Well, eye masks cover
the upper half of your face, which is
where glabrous skin is localized.
Remember, palms of the hands, bottoms of
feet, glabrous skin on the face. So, a
lot of people who wear eye masks will
wake up because they're too warm if the
room is too warm. So, if you're going to
use an eye mask to keep light out,
definitely make sure the room and your
sleeping environment and your bed are
cool enough in order for you to stay
asleep. In addition, I get a lot of
questions about ear plugs. Here's the
deal with ear plugs. Some people find
that ear plugs are very beneficial
because, of course, they prevent the
entrance of sound into the ear that
could wake us up, but some people find
that the sound of their own beating of
their own heart can be disruptive and
they get a sort of humming in their head
when they have those ear plugs in. I'm
one such person, although I have family
members that like using ear plugs when
they sleep. So, it's really up to you.
You have to see whether or not those ear
plugs
help or disrupt your sleep. For me,
they're no good. For some people, they
really enjoy them. I don't use an eye
mask unless I'm sleeping in a really
bright environment or I need to sleep on
a plane and things of that sort.
Other tools that I'll just mention that
have peer-reviewed research to support
them, elevating your feet either with a
pillow or by elevating the end of your
bed by about 3 to 5 degrees can be
really beneficial for increasing the
depth of sleep because of the so-called
lymphatic washout. This is the movement
of and circulation of fluids in your
brain at night
that lead to more wakefulness and
actually can improve cognitive function
and a number of other things related to
brain health.
There's one caveat to that for people
that suffer from acid reflux, having
your
ankles elevated above your chest or
above your heart in the middle of the
night can actually exacerbate that acid
reflux. You want to do the opposite. You
want to actually elevate your the head
side of your bed by about 3 to 5
degrees. Now, one of the common causes
of sleep disruption that has
tremendously detrimental effects is
so-called sleep apnea. So, this is
basically bouts of suffocation or lack
of oxygenation during sleep. This is
particularly the case for people that
are very heavy set and that heavy set
could be from obesity. It could also be
heavy set from having too much muscle. A
lot of people who are are carrying too
much muscle will actually have sleep
apnea without realizing it. Sleep apnea
is actually very dangerous. It's
associated with a number of
cardiovascular issues. It's It's
associated with sexual dysfunction. It's
associated with issues with cognition.
Sleep apnea is bad. A lot of people will
have to use the pap, which is a um it's
a device. It looks like a sort of a like
a snorkel mask or dive mask. Um it's a
whole apparatus that people go to sleep
with. However, many people can relieve
themselves of sleep apnea provided it's
not too serious and can
sleep much better. In fact, I think all
people can sleep much better if they
train themselves to be nose breathers
while they sleep. There are a lot of
reasons to be a nose breather unless you
are breathing very hard due to exercise
or talking or eating.
That was all covered in James Nestor's
book Breath, The New Science of a Lost
Art. It's been covered in a number of
different podcasts. We've talked about
it on this podcast as well.
It's a good idea to be a nose breather
unless you need to mouth breathe and
it's a great idea. It's a superb idea to
be a nose breather in sleep. And one way
to really get good at that is to take a
little bit of medical tape and to tape
your mouth shut before going to sleep.
You heard me right. Put some medical
tape over your mouth
and force yourself to nose breathe
during sleep. It also prevents snoring
in most cases.
Really offsets sleep apnea.
Sleep apnea again being a very serious
health concern. I should also mention as
a tool that if you have a hard time
being a nose breather in sleep, you can
try doing your cardiovascular exercise,
at least the lower intensity
cardiovascular exercise
through purely nasal breathing. And one
way to do that again is to tape your
mouth shut or put a gulp of water in
your mouth, but don't actually swallow
that mouthful of water
or to use a mouthpiece or just
deliberately keep your mouth closed and
then insist on breathing through your
nose. Most people find that when they
start doing cardiovascular exercise that
way, it's really challenging at first,
but over time they actually can feel
quite calm and still can generate a lot
of physical effort purely using nose
breathing.
The reason that doing nose breathing
during cardiovascular exercise
translates to being a nose breather
during sleep is that your sinuses
actually can dilate. They're plastic and
over time plastic meaning they're
they're they're malleable, that is, and
they can become wider. You're not going
to get giant nostrils. Don't worry about
it. Your airways within your your skull,
cuz that's what the sinuses really are,
these little passages within the skull
and of course within the nasal passages
are will dilate and will allow you to
breathe more easily through your nose.
But for those of you that are waking up
in the middle of the night breathing on
your back
or your partner is telling you that or
other people are telling you that or
you're that person on the plane with
your mouth hanging open and drooling and
you're mouth breathing,
terrible, terrible, terrible for health
reasons and other reasons. Put some
medical tape over your mouth. Learn to
be a nose breather during sleep. Your
sleep will improve and your daytime
feelings of wakefulness and focus will
improve. Your cardiovascular health will
improve and on and on and on. So now
we've largely covered the tools that one
could use to get and stay asleep. And we
talked about exercise, we talked about
temperature, we talked about
supplements, and we talked about, of
course, keeping the sleeping environment
both cool and as dark as possible.
I do want to mention a couple of broad
contour tools that will impact your
ability to sleep really well on a
consistent basis. And the one that
impacts the most number of people
is weekends.
Turns out that most everybody feels the
impulse to sleep in on the weekend,
especially if they've been out late the
night before. However, the data show
that keeping relatively consistent sleep
and wake times is really going to
enhance the quality and depth of your
sleep. So, if you stay out late one
night,
sure, you might allow yourself to sleep
in an extra hour or so, but you should
really try to avoid sleeping in longer
than an hour beyond your normal wake-up
time. That's right. If you normally get
8 hours of sleep and you wake up at 7:00
a.m.,
probably okay to wake up at 8:00 a.m. on
the weekend or after a night out the
night before, but not to sleep until
11:00 or noon thinking that you're going
to catch up on your sleep or that's
better than waking up at a consistent
time. It would be better to wake up at a
consistent time plus or minus an hour
and get a nap in the afternoon, provided
that nap, again, isn't too long.
And the other tool that relates to
nights that you stayed out too late or
that you feel like you want to sleep in
a bit more in the morning is
if you're going to wake up at your
consistent time. So, for example,
normally you go to bed at 10:00 and you
wake up at 6:00. Let's say that's your
schedule.
And you end up staying up late one night
until midnight or 1:00 for whatever
reason,
and the next morning you wake up at 7:00
and you're still groggy.
In that case, you absolutely want to
wait to ingest caffeine 90 to 120
minutes after waking. You really do,
because there are good data to support
the fact that caffeine can disrupt
sleep.
Yes, that's obvious. Caffeine especially
disrupts sleep if you take it too late
in the day.
That's very obvious as to why that would
be the case, but caffeine especially
disrupts what's called compensatory
sleep. So, if you start changing your
waking time and your to sleep time, and
you start using additional caffeine to
offset the sleepiness that you're
experiencing because of those late
nights out, well, that's when you really
start to disrupt not just your nighttime
sleep, but your daytime compensatory
sleep. So, those naps, you also are
disrupting the total architecture of
sleep in the early morning hours.
There's a lot of great science that's
been put to this, or that's emerged from
this, I should say. So, try and keep
those sleep wake times relatively
constant, plus or minus an hour, and try
as much as you can to delay that
caffeine intake 90 to 120 minutes after
waking every day, but especially on days
where you wake up and you feel you
haven't gotten enough sleep. In that
case, I highly recommend you just use
NSDR or the Reverie app, or some other
form of deep relaxation to try and
compensate for the lack of sleep.
Knowing, of course, that there's no
complete compensation for lack of sleep.
There are just things that we can do to
partially offset lack of sleep. Now, a
couple of final points and additional
tools that I think are going to be
useful to everybody, in particular
people who have young children,
or following a shift work schedule, or
who are experiencing jet lag.
Keep in mind, jet lag can be due to
travel,
which is obvious, but jet lag can also
be due to getting woken up in the middle
of the night, right? Your body doesn't
know the difference between flying to a
new time zone and getting woken up in
the middle of the night.
The tool that I'd like to offer you is
an understanding of something called
temperature minimum, and I'm going to
make this as simple as possible, and I'm
confident that everyone can understand
this, even if you don't have any science
background.
Here's the question you need to ask
yourself.
What is your typical wake up time?
Okay? What's your typical wake up time?
If for you, your typical wake up time is
7:00 a.m., plus or minus half an hour.
So, and that could be 7:00 a.m. because
you set an alarm clock or it could be
7:00 a.m. because you naturally wake up
at 7:00 a.m. Doesn't matter. If your
typical wake up time most days is 7:00
a.m.,
well, then your temperature minimum is
5:00 a.m. That's right. Your temperature
minimum is not a temperature, it's a
time within your 24-hour cycle.
Approximately 2 hours before your
typical wake up time, your body is at
its lowest temperature that it will ever
be in the 24-hour cycle. That's why it's
called your temperature minimum.
Here's what you need to know about your
temperature minimum. If you view bright
light,
exercise, or drink caffeine, or all of
the above in the 2 to 4 hours before
your temperature minimum,
that will delay your clock. What that
means when I say delay your clock is it
will make you want to go to sleep later
and wake up later the next night. Okay,
so let's run this exercise for you, the
person waking up at 7:00 a.m. on a
regular basis.
I can predict
with almost certainty that your body is
going to be at its lowest temperature at
5:00 a.m. So, what that means is that if
you get up at 3:00 a.m. or at 4:00 a.m.
and you flip on bright lights in your
house or in your bathroom, or you have a
cup of coffee, or you do any kind of
exercise, or you get up and head to the
airport,
the mechanisms in your brain and body
that control timing of sleep and timing
of waking will shift. They will delay.
It's as if you put your clock on hold
for a little while and then let it start
again. Yeah, that's the simplest way I
can describe it. And you will tend to
want to go to sleep later and wake up
later the following night.
Now, the opposite is true
if you view bright light,
drink caffeine, or exercise, or
socialize I should say, in the
hours immediately after your temperature
minimum. So, for you in this example,
the person who's waking up at 7:00 a.m.,
your temperature minimum is 5:00 a.m. If
you view bright light, exercise, maybe
have a snack, maybe not, or socialize,
move about at 5:30 or 6:00 a.m. or 7:00
a.m., that will tend to phase advance
your clock. It will tend to basically
make you want to go to bed earlier and
wake up earlier the following night.
Now, I use this example of a person who
wakes up typically at 7:00 a.m., whose
temperature minimum is 5:00 a.m., but of
course you need to adjust that for
yourself if you're somebody who wakes up
at 9:00 a.m. or at 5:00 a.m., etc. Why
do I offer this as a tool? Well, this is
an immensely powerful tool if, for
instance, you're headed to a time zone
where you need to go to bed earlier and
wake up earlier once you arrive in that
time zone. What it means is in the day
or two before you leave, you can
force yourself to
exercise, drink caffeine, maybe even to
eat a meal early in the morning, or
maybe you still fast early in the
morning, and that's really up to you.
But you force yourself to do the the
activities that are going to phase
advance your clock. Whereas if you're
traveling to a time zone where you were
going to need to go to sleep much later,
and you're going to need to
wake up much later, even a little bit
later, you can do those things in the
hours prior to your temperature minimum.
Now, for those of you that work shift
work, this can be especially useful, but
I want to say a couple of things about
shift work.
There are a lot of details about shift
work and jet lag in an episode that I
did specifically about jet lag and shift
work. So, for the deep dive, go there,
but suffice to say this for now.
If you are going to do shift work, try
to stay on the same shift for 2 weeks at
a time. It's very detrimental to brain
and body. It can even be
horrifically challenging for your brain
and body in a number of ways if you are
switching on the so-called swing shift.
You know, you're working 3 days the
night shift, 3 days the day shift, 3
days the night shift, 3 days the Try and
stay on the same schedule as much as
possible.
And I should say for everybody, people
who are jet lagged and who engage in
shift work or not, but just for
everybody, if you need to be awake in
the middle of your sleep cycle, and it's
not just a quick departure to the
bathroom and back to bed, but you really
need to be awake, you know, you're
feeding a baby, or you're
taking care of a loved one, or you need
to do something that's critical, or you
need to work, if possible, use red
light. Okay, now for shift workers who
really are trying to stay awake all
night and sleep all day, this is not
going to be ideal, but for people that
for instance need to stay up really late
one night, or wake up especially early,
like 3:00 a.m. to prepare for an exam
that you're just not ready for, or to
head to the airport,
etc., using red light has been shown to
allow people to be awake enough that and
obviously see what they need to see in
order to perform their activity safely,
but it does not seem to disrupt the
cortisol rhythm that is the healthy
normal cortisol rhythm. I realize this
is kind of an advanced tool, and many
people won't have access to this. There
are a number of different sources for
red lights now,
uh companies like Joovv, um or Cozy
Light, these are different brands. I
don't have any affiliation to any of
these brands, I should say. There are a
number of different uh red light bulb um
sources out there and commercial sources
that you can explore if you want, but
understanding this temperature minimum
is really powerful, because it allows
you to adjust your schedule depending on
travel, depending on changing work
schedules or school schedules, and if
you're not a morning person, you can use
the tools related to temperature minimum
to really become a morning person
over time, and it actually is pretty
easy. And I talked about this in a
previous episode, but I'll just mention
that there have been shown to be
important positive effects on cognition,
on even grip strength and physical
performance for people that are
early morning risers, and that's
especially true for night owls that
deliberately shift themselves to become
early risers. Okay, so that's a lot of
information and a lot of tools, and I
suppose the one set of tools that I
really didn't drill into too deeply, the
the related to jet lag and shift work.
And again, please check out the episode
on jet lag and shift work if that's
relevant to you. But, I think for most
people who are going to sleep at night
and are trying their best to sleep well
at night, and are trying to their best
to wake up in the morning at whatever
hour and stay alert and focused
throughout the day, maybe with a brief
nap, the tools that I talked about today
related to light, temperature, food,
exercise, caffeine, supplements, and
digital tools,
I'm hoping will prove to be
very useful for you. They certainly are
all supported by excellent peer-reviewed
research, and I should just emphasize
again that most of the tools we talked
about are completely zero cost. So,
while the supplements and some of the
digital tools do carry some cost to
them,
I really want to encourage everybody to
get your behaviors right. Get all of the
things related to your timing of
exercise and type of exercise
in the best possible order and time of
day. We talked about this critical
period early in the day, and then
another critical period in the middle of
the day, and in the late afternoon, and
then this third critical period in the
middle of the night. Different tools for
the different three critical periods.
I promise that if you start to implement
some, or ideally all of these tools,
the quality of your sleep will increase
tremendously, and of course, in doing
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