Scott Eastwood Describes His Terrifying 5-MeO-DMT Experience to Joe Rogan

We should really make them do about 7 g of mushrooms. Anybody wants to be president. >> That'd be good. >> You do 7 g of mushrooms, we film it, we we do it in a dark room with infrared cameras, or you know, night vision cameras. >> out. >> Yeah, yeah, we want to know how you well you handle God. >> But also expand your mind a little bit. Don't be so rigid in your ways, right? >> Yeah, well, also I think a lot of those people would benefit from a psychedelic experience cuz it would just make them realize that like there's a lot more to the world than you can see right in front of your face. And you don't think that until you have it, and then you have it, and then you'll never think any differently again. You're always going to be like, okay, there's a part of this that's not real. This is a part >> Oh, no, I did I trust me, I did the I did 5-MeO. And it was I mean, that was some life-changing stuff. >> Well, you feel like you're dead when you take that stuff, right? That's the first thing you think, like, oh my god, I killed myself. Yeah. Like, I'm not around anymore. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And and and [clears throat] I think what what was the most powerful thing was when you come back, it's it felt like seeing the world for the very first time again. >> Mhm. >> Like the first time you saw grass, the first time you saw the sun, the first time you felt the wind. >> Yeah. >> I mean, I I cried. I bawled for 45 minutes in my buddy's girlfriend's arms after I did it. >> Woah. >> And I was like, I'm just so >> got uncomfortable after about 5 seconds of that guy talking. [laughter] >> They're like, okay, go cry on the couch. >> Why you hugging my girlfriend, bro? >> [laughter] >> You had some bastard. Get off [laughter] of her. >> But it was powerful and I >> Well, well, your your ego is completely shattered after that stuff. You probably weren't even thinking of who you're hugging. You just want to hug a human. >> Yeah. >> And it's the the feeling of it is so like, you're a part of everything in the universe. And there is no there's no like particular destination. It doesn't exist. You're a part of everything all at once. It's a very strange feeling. And no one ever is ever done it and go, "Ah, I didn't think it was that big a deal." Like everybody who does is like, "Wow." >> Yeah. >> Like I've known I know a few uh prominent right-wing people that have done it. They have completely changed their life. >> Yeah. >> A couple of them don't even talk about it, so I don't want to mention any names, but then they want to talk to me about it. And like, "Yeah, so I'm I'm I'm a different person now. Like whoever I used to be, I'm not that guy anymore." Like that's that's cuz once you know, once you know that you really are a part of the whole universe and it's like all the molecules, everything everywhere is connected. There is no space. There's no space between anything. Everything is filled with something. >> Yeah. >> It's all a soup. It's a giant soup of energy and vibration and >> It kind of made kind of made me actually made me sad for the people who will never try it and are so dealing with so much pain or dealing with such a rigid thinking or or whatever it is that it could help them. And I was like, "Oh man, that that is sad." >> It really >> thinking is a big one. It's interesting that it's becoming much more accepted to talk about. You know, I I see like grown adults who are very successful, who run businesses, and they talk about psychedelics. And uh when I was young when people talked about magic mushrooms or anything like that, it was always like you were a fool. You were a crazy person who wanted to like trip and see things that weren't there. It was never like you were trying to expand your consciousness and you were trying to you just enrich your experience in life and and have a better perspective and ego death and all those things that people are trying to do and be more connected to God. But now it's commonly discussed. It comes up all the time. So, the public's perception on this has really radically shifted in my lifetime. And I think it's because of the internet. I think it's really it really started to change where I heard I heard people talking about it in the early 2000s. And it was um even before social media because there was a bunch of articles that were written and a bunch of people were talking about positive psychedelic experiences and people were talking about how it helped them quit heroin and people were talking about all these different things that were connected to mushrooms in particular, but then all the Terence McKenna stuff that he was talking about uh DMT and um LSD and a bunch of different psychedelics that have helped him. And so all this stuff started getting out there and then YouTube. And with YouTube and with podcast then people really started hearing about it from people like Michael Pollan. And you're like, "Whoa, Michael Pollan is a very respected journalist. Like, what is he talking about? He's writing a wrote a book about psychedelics called Change Your Mind? Like, what?" And so it's now where rational, intelligent, educated people are free to talk about it and they often do. And so that's just alone gives me hope because I feel like that's a that's a big change in how people view something. >> Well, was it um and I don't I don't exactly know the history, but I I've heard uh was there alcohol lobbyists that were trying to kind of suppress, you know, weed use? This I mean >> The alcohol lobby has >> Did it Did it also go to psychedelics as well where they >> They haven't yet. No. Um well, I'm I'm sure they are leaning in the direction of it not being legalized, but the the problem with alcohol and marijuana is that places that do have uh legal marijuana, you see a diminished alcohol intake. >> Sure. >> The the diminished alcohol intake is measurable. It's like they cost them money. >> Yep. >> It's real. You also have the darker thing, which is prison lobbies. >> Uh is >> Explain. Yeah, they lobby uh prison guards unions, they lobby There's a bunch of people that lobby to make marijuana laws keep them on the books so that they could keep locking people up. >> Sure, cuz that's a massive business, right? >> Yeah, their business is peop- keeping people in cages, which is really [ __ ] crazy. >> Yeah, that's pretty sad. >> It's really crazy that someone is who's in the business of locking people up can actually lobby to make sure more people get locked up. >> That's I mean, that's >> locked up for something that no >> Non-violent crime. >> Yeah, and especially marijuana, like most Americans don't think that you uh that it should be illegal. It's a It's a large number. It's like more than 70% I think. Like what was the What's What amount of Americans think that marijuana should be legal? Let's see if there's a poll. Put that in a Perplexity. See what the the universe says. I would say it's about 67% of Americans think marijuana should be legalized. >> Legalized. >> Yeah. >> What do you think about What do you think about all drugs being legal? >> It's [clears throat and snorts] a tough argument because for sure you're going to lose some people. >> Mhm. >> If you make all drugs legal, look, if they made drugs legal right now, I'm not going to go buy heroin. I'm not buying fentanyl, all right? I'm not I'm not into meth. I'm not interested. If I could go to the pharmacy and pick up meth, I'm not going to pick it up, but some people will. 70% 70% of Americans say marijuana should be legal in general, according to recent Gallup poll. If you include people who support either medical or recreational legalization, it's 88 to 89%. >> Mhm. >> Uh US adults say marijuana should be legal in at least some form with only about 11% wanting it to be completely illegal. And those people need to try it. >> [laughter] >> So look, I'm actually pot never agreed well with me. And I think I have uh I always I got a little scared and paranoid sometimes where it I was like maybe I have like a propensity to like some sort of schizophrenia or something. I was like ooh, I don't This isn't I was like I don't like this. This made me kind of go skyco-schematic and >> So, did it just make you scared or did it like distort reality for you in a way that was >> No, I don't I don't know if it distorted reality. It just got my brain you know, it got my brain so freaked out about things that were out of my control. >> That's the part I like. Now, [laughter] I can see why because I you know, mushrooms they make you face some things that you're going on in your life. >> Yeah. >> And I think that's healthy. >> I don't know. Pot has never agreed with me. I think what [clears throat] I like about it is when it wears off. I like >> [laughter] >> I like that fear. I I like like Joey Diaz says go meet the devil. I think there's some some benefit to freaking out cuz then it calms down and you have more perspective. But I think what's going on is you really can't think about all the threats of the world and all the problems in the world and all the things that can go wrong in your life. You can't think about those on a regular basis. You got to kind of put your blinders on and keep on trucking. And then marijuana is like, what's that in the corner of the room that you're scared of? AND YOU'RE LIKE, >> [screaming] [laughter] >> BUT I WILL SAY, AS YOU KNOW, important like before the the frontal cortex is like fully developed because there is some danger for young men specifically. >> Yes. >> Right? >> Yes. >> And and schizophrenia and like, you know, some stuff that can come if you're not >> I think that's with anything, right? >> don't know if it causes schizophrenia, but it's really bad for brain development, especially young people that smoke regularly. It's not good for you. It's just not good for you. And um I know that's hard for people to hear cuz they want to get high. Just trust me. If you're getting high all the time when you're 14 years old, it's going to [ __ ] your head up. It's not good for you. It's just not good for your brain development. It's one of the most important things about you as a human being is your ability to think well. It's very important. >> 100% your operating system. Don't don't screw it up before it has a time to like >> And just for heehees and hahas because you're bored in math class, you want to get high all the time? You know, I mean, people have done it and got away with it and they're okay, but a lot of people have not. And you you don't want to sabotage your whole life just cuz everybody you know is getting high. It's just not worth it. And that also goes with alcohol. There's young people that are like 14, 15 years old that are getting drunk four, five times a week. Like, don't do it, man. I'm telling you, it is [ __ ] bad for the development of your brain. Whatever you Look, maybe you have a very high potential. Maybe your brain Maybe you're always going to be smart and you're going to be fine. But I guarantee you where if you're getting drunk all the time and getting high all the time, wherever you would be is not where you are. You might be still a very high intellect, still very smart. You would have been smarter. Your brain would have functioned better. You would have probably had a better perspective. It's not good for you. >> Yeah. >> And, you know, we glamorize it for kids. Like, the kids at parties drinking, having a good time. It's [ __ ] bad for you. Don't do it. >> Yeah. Yeah. Wait. >> But you can't You also can't tell them don't drink because if you tell them don't drink, they just want to drink. >> You just got to kind of inform them. >> Well, you're Europe tends to have like a better it seems as a whole. I'm sure they have their problems, too, but it seems like Yeah, it you know, they ease into it, right? Have a little. Like, less is more without like with anything, actually. Less is more. >> Yeah. It's not forbidden. >> Yeah. >> So, you can have a glass of wine with your family when you're 11, 12 years old. You know, it's not it's not that big a deal. >> That Protestant culture we have is is very rigid. It's very like, "Don't do this or you're going to die." >> It creates drug addicts and hoes. >> [laughter] >> People just want to not listen to their parents. They just want to do something that's [ __ ] like whatever you're doing, I'm doing the opposite cuz you are [ __ ] annoying and you've been the bane of my existence. >> Yeah. >> As soon as I get out of this house, I'm smoking crack. >> [ __ ] you, Dad. You don't know what you're talking about. >> So, to get back to your question, um the problem with legalization is you're going to have a bunch of people that do drugs that wouldn't do drugs normally. Because it's legal. >> But what about what about when you're of age? Like, I don't know, call it 25. >> Yeah, but even then, you're going to have a bunch of people that don't like their life and just decide to go to the corner store and pick up some heroin. However, what you're not going to do is empower the drug cartels and organized crime. And that's what we're doing now. So, in one way or another, people are going to get drugs. So, how are they going to get drugs during prohibition? Well, they're going to get drugs from criminals. That's what they've always done. That's what they did during the alcohol prohibition. It's what people do. And when you've got a multi-billion dollar industry, maybe trillion dollar industry, right next door to us, which is Mexico, and they're just bringing it through, bringing it through. Like, what are we doing? We empowering them or would you rather have it legal and have a substantial portion of those profits, block out everything that comes in illegally, have a substantial amount of those profits put to rehabilitation and treatment? >> Mhm. >> I was also I was also I was also thinking from a like a quality perspective, too, right? Like, you're like, "Hey, that's cool. We get it. People are going to do this, but we're going to monitor it and make sure it is what it says it is." >> Yeah. Look, alcohol's legal. There's a lot of people that don't drink. They don't like it. They don't like the way it makes them feel. They don't like the way it makes them act. They say stupid things. They feel like [ __ ] in the morning. They don't drink. That will be the same with cocaine. That will be the same with heroin. However, there's some people that are alcoholics, and alcohol is legal and it's everywhere, and these people will hit bars and get [ __ ] up every night, and their life is going to be a mess. They're going to die of liver poisoning. That's normal, too. It's very unfortunate, but you can't nerf the world. >> Yeah. Yeah, you got to you got to like trust a little bit that >> Yeah, it would be really hard to sell to America that, um cocaine, heroin, and meth are now all legal. It'll be really hard to sell to them. >> Yeah. >> But I think ultimately it >> it probably would be better for us. >> and these other things that >> Those are less troublesome, you know, not a lot of people are dying from MDMA, but people definitely abuse it. They definitely get addicted to it. They're doing it all the time. Apparently that whole thing about making holes in your brain is [ __ ] >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. >> That was a campaign. >> Oh, I think it [clears throat] was probably just some internet horse [ __ ] Let's [laughter] Let's find out what it does MDMA does Does MDMA cause holes in your brain? Put that in there. See what Perplexity has to say. They think they proved that that's not the case. >> couples therapy, right? I mean that was the impetus of the whole thing. >> This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. When you hire a landscaper to create your perfect outdoor oasis, you want someone who cares. That's true for every role you hire for, and luckily it just got easier to find that thanks to ZipRecruiter. Try it for free at ziprecruiter.com/rogan. Longtime listeners, you might already know that ZipRecruiter uses powerful matching technology to find qualified candidates fast. But now they also have a new feature that shows you candidates who are interested in your role first. 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Anti-drug companies popularized dramatic brain scan images that were described as showing holes, but these were actually areas of reduced activity or reduced binding of certain markers, not physical gaps in brain tissue. Still, that sounds bad. Reduced activity, reduced binding of certain markers, that sounds terrible. >> I chalk up all this as like moderation to everything, right? Less of everything. It's like I disagree with some people that I really trust, you know, you know, um >> What's his name? Dr. Paul Saladino? Is it him? >> The carnivore doctor? >> Yeah. I really like most of what he says, but he's like, "Don't drink." And it's like, it's like, "Well, maybe it if but also, it's maybe a pretty nice to have a glass of wine. It's nice to laugh with friends. And it's nice like that's important too in life. And I think balance we can you tip the scale one way if you're totally extreme, and then you're just like the social life and you you know, you can't, you know, go out and like you know, really enjoy yourself for a second. >> Yeah. Moderation. >> Moderation. >> And you're absolutely right about social life being one loneliness kills people quicker than anything else. >> 100%. >> Yeah, people that are lonely, they have uh they die younger than people who smoke cigarettes. >> That's not crazy. >> Well, it's bad for you. It's being lonely is actually bad for you. Feeling bad is bad for you. I mean, it seems like it should be, right? It's bad. Feels bad, probably bad [laughter] for you. Feeling good is good for you. So, a little tipsy with your friends or you're laughing, "Ah, I love you. I love you, too, bro." It's great. It's great. It's great for people. >> Yeah, you're going to feel like [ __ ] Take your electrolytes. Take your Take your electrolytes. Drink a lot of water. Get in the [ __ ] sauna. Yeah, don't do it every day. >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> Get an IV. Dave Chappelle taught me that trick. When I was touring with Dave, all he would do is like after shows, they would just get IVs. He would get vitamin IVs in the morning. Then they would did it all the time. The big bags of glutathione to deal with the alcohol. >> Yep. [laughter] Yep. >> You'd go into like Dave would have a room. You go into the room and there'd be like eight of us there all hooked up to IV bags, talking [ __ ] It was fun. >> That sounds good. >> But he's smart. Like that's how you counteract the fact that look, he takes a lot of There's a lot of benefit, particularly for his job, right? Like Dave's job is being silly and pointing out ridiculous aspects of our society. What better way to do that than to be talking [ __ ] with your friends with a couple drinks in you. >> Imagine all the things you would have missed. >> Yeah. >> That wouldn't have in been in your comedy, that wouldn't have been in your life. Hadn't you You just I got to go home now. It's 8:00. I got to go home. You're like, "Well, that's boring." >> Exactly. You become a boring person, too. But there's also balance. Sometimes you have to realize like, "Oh, I've done this dance before. I got to get up at 6:00. See you guys." >> Yep. >> It's good to that, too. It's like you have You have to have discipline, but you also have to have the ability to cut loose. And it's hard. It's hard to balance those things out. You know, like you were saying about vitamins, like I'm get off the boat, I'm on the boat, you know? Like that. It's like there's some things that should be non-negotiable. And for me, there's two. There's nutrition and exercise. Those are non-negotiables. All the other things I'll [ __ ] around with in terms of like >> bonus, right? Bonus rounds. You have to get cardio. You have to hit weights. You got to stretch. You got to get good sleep. >> Yeah, I I to do the workout stuff just for my brain. The like above the body stuff, it's great to keep the body healthy and I'm very aware of that and I'm I think about that as well. But for me it's my brain. When I have a nice good hard workout day, I'm so easygoing. I'm so free. >> Do you have ADHD? >> Oh, yeah, for sure. >> Okay, same. >> I think everybody does. >> [laughter] >> Anybody that's any good at anything has it. >> Every ADHD guy thinks everyone has ADHD. >> I think it's I think it's a superpower. >> No, I do too. I always tell people and and you're probably dyslexic. >> No. No, I read well. Yeah. >> Okay, cuz that goes hand in hand. Quite often, yeah. And and >> Are you dyslexic? >> I'm dyslexic. >> And now [clears throat] so explain to me what you see when you like see text. >> I jump. >> Oh. >> I jump. So, you know, you need to go left to right. >> Uh-huh. >> My brain starts and then jumps and then it goes to the kind of next place. >> of the subject matter? Like if you're think if you're reading about something really interesting, does it do the same thing? >> Yeah. Now, it just takes intense focus for me to read and once I get in a good rhythm, I can get going. I can train my brain to read better. But when I'm not focused or there's other things going on, I jump and then my brain has a really tough time so I get tired very easily and then it's like oh and I get you know, I get a little frustrated, tired and then I fall asleep. >> Mhm. >> Like that. >> I do fall asleep if I try to read at night. >> [clears throat] >> But um I don't have a hard time reading so I don't have the dyslexic thing. But I've I've had friends that have it and I don't understand. I'm like so you see it, right? And you're going through it, but what is going on in your brain where it's making you jump back and forth? >> I don't know. I think it's just losing focus. I don't I don't know. >> And regardless of the like it could be the most important thing you've ever read. >> [laughter] >> You know, like what if you just like won the lottery? You got a piece of paper in the mail that says Scott, you just won five billion dollars. >> [laughter] >> And you're like, wait a minute, do I owe five billion? What does that say? I can't read this. Read this for me. >> Yeah. No, I don't Yeah, it's just I don't know if it's about it's about the >> Text messages are cool. >> Yeah, I mean all it's all it just is harder. And now, you know, like when I grew up they didn't give any sort of special treatment to that. Now, it's almost mandatory in schools. If you're dyslexic, they give you more time for test taking, they give you more time for reading, they they have, you know, >> Mhm. >> uh teachers that will help with the dyslexia. There's tools you can you can use now. >> Yeah. >> So, I got kind of boned. >> Let me check [clears throat] something here cuz this is something weird. Could be related. Uh I've been seeing this a lot online and I'm very curious about this. Uh people are saying there's a link between ADHD symptoms, I guess we'll call it, and histamine levels in your body. And I brought this up on the screen. It's not on shown for everybody, but there's something that pops up about it. There are some studies to it. And what I've been seeing is this link people are taking Zyrtec and Pepcid AC together, which creates some sort of histamine receptor blocking. >> Huh. >> Interesting. >> is where I'm like, I don't know. >> It blocks histamine receptors located in the blood vessels, airway, and skin and reducing allergic responses, sinus congestion. So, they're saying that it's it's a reaction to histamines? >> That's that like that's the mixture of Zyrtec. Zyrtec's more like allergies, everyone's into that. Pepcid [clears throat] AC is like acid and you know, >> if there there's different things that they're talking about when they're saying ADHD. Like I could see people being easily distracted, but when I say ADHD, the people that I know that have it, usually there's one or two things in their life that they can really [ __ ] focus on. You know, whether it's playing golf or whatever it is a thing that you do where you could just focus on that. But other stuff, you're just scatterbrained. And you can't And they'll say, "Oh, you have ADHD." You know, or you know, you're thinking a million things at once, you can't focus. That's what they always call ADHD, but everyone that I know that has that, it's always whether or not they're interested in the thing. >> Sure. >> As soon as they find the thing they're interested in, they can lock in for [ __ ] 12 hours and forget to eat. >> Well, you know how some Well, some people when pressure Sorry to cut you off. Uh when like you squeeze people, they either excel or they fold. >> Right. >> When you squeeze, typically I excel. So, I don't know if where that comes from, but when you put the pressure on, I mean, that's why maybe, you know, I can do the job I do. It's like there's 200 people looking at you and >> Right. Ready >> an emotional scene and you got to bring yourself to tears or it's emotional and it's like you squeeze. Some people are good at it. >> Yeah, but it's also you had to be good at it because you didn't have a backup plan. You know, that's also part of it. It's like you you know, your dad wasn't going to help you out. You really were out there like If you want to make it in anything, you have to be able to perform. Like no matter what it is. If you're a lawyer, when you're in court, you have to perform. You have to You have to be able to like keep your [ __ ] together and execute. That's your job relies on that. And if you're a focused person, you recognize that and you work hard to make sure that you focus and that you [clears throat] can execute when when it's important. It's like people that avoid things that make them uncomfortable, they never develop that skill. And that's very unfortunate because it's one of the most important skills you could ever have with anything. It's being able to focus and being able to perform under pressure. It's very important. >> Yeah. >> And we're missing that in life. You know, we don't have these life or death moments like that our ancestors had all the time, where some [ __ ] villagers are sneaking up over the hill and you spot them and you run back to the [ __ ] camp and you grab the bows and arrows and you >> Yeah. >> go to war. Like we don't have that. So, we don't have like like a constant checking of whether or not your pressure system is functional.