"No One's EVER Seen This" James O’Keefe BREAKS Epstein Files, FBI RAID Plot & Project Veritas Split

No one's ever seen this before. I get sent this. I'm like, "Holy shit." Mhm. This is not public. Someone inside the United States government gave that to me. That's correct. The FBI pointed guns at me and took my reporter's notebooks because I have to call my lawyer. And the moment that I unlocked my phone, they snatched the phone out of my hand because I unlocked the phone. I go, "Now the FBI has access to all my signal messages." Do you know what's in my signal messages? All the people in the government that come to me with information and then they raid your house. Correct. That is the justification for the raid against James O'Keefe. So that means they can do whatever they want. That's a question that Dan Bunino and Cash Patel need to answer. They need to answer. If you want something that is revolutionary, a breakthrough, it's Diddy because he's alive. What is the thing that needs to be on video in your mind? Oh, it's very easy for me. Tell me. I've never ever talked about it on any podcast, right? Ever. This the first time. I commit to you that I will do this. This is also very dangerous. Wouldn't you admit to do these stories? Well, you you subscribe to this lifestyle. I almost feel like they're concerned that I'm going to like record them trying to bribe me. Mhm. Which I would of course. Did you ever think you would make it? I feel sweet. Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever sign. It's right here. You are one of my son's right. [Music] Oh, he is. Oh, you got to be kidding me. Yes, he is. Yes. Positive. I'm certain of it. Yes. We're live right now, though. We're live. Yeah. So, he is part of the Ska family. Correct. Yes. So, okay, folks, first of all, if you're tuning in, James, the last time we sat down was February of 2022, roughly three and a half years. Obviously, nothing's happened since then for you. Life's been the same. It's been normal. You know, everything's going good. But last night, um, you sent me this, uh, this this, uh, documentary, and I'm leaving town, so I'm going out of the country. And I said, "Listen, let's see if we can do a podcast before we leave." And then last night, uh, uh, I sit there, I'm going through, it's called The Truth of Project Veritars, part one that just came out this week. And the more I'm watching it, I'm like, you got to be So, this is what happened here. Because originally when the whole scandal took place, I like, oh, you know what, James O'Keefe, what was he up to? He was spending money. He was doing this. He was taking helicopter rides. He was taking one too many Ubers and black cars and all this stuff. This is what you kind of see and then your apology letter. But walk us through what happened with Project Veritas. Thank you for having me. U this film I've released, The Truth Inside Veritas, takes you inside of Project Veraritoss, which fired me uh two and a half years ago. And it shows you what happened at the board meeting. Yeah. Yeah. Where they were throwing all these grievances out at me. You hear the grievances. You see you meet the employees and you meet this this board member in federal court because they sued me. So they fired me. They indefinitely suspended me without pay aka terminated me. So I just started a new organization called OMG O'Keeffe Media Group which I've been doing. And then they sued me to try to shut OMG down. So, in this deposition footage, in the video tapes from federal court, depositions are public proceedings. I took the depositions, I put them in the movie, and you see what happened. And it's an insane story. It's crazy story. Yeah. What? So, the events, the sequencing of the events, which is kind of weird, is when you when you got the big uh uh Fizer uh one of the directors that talks about what they were doing. Rob, if you want to go through the timeline. So, the sequencing was kind of weird when you first are uh uh I want to see if I got the dates here or not. Let me see. Yeah, right there. January 2023. You know, we hear about the uh under your leadership release an undercover video featuring a man identified as Jordan Tristan Walker. This is the one that he's running out. Yeah, this is the this is the biggest story. This the biggest story, guys, of the at the peak. The director the mRNA director of scientific research advisor talking about mutating the virus at Fizer. This video was viewed an insane amount of times. I confront this guy. If you remember this, I confronted him with a microphone and he physically assaulted me. That's right. I remember that. And he took the iPad out of my hand and he smashed it on the ground. This this this is the the the the gay date, the gay guy at Fizer. Um YouTube took it down. It's still on X. And he's talking about directed evolution uh at Fizer, something that Fizer denies, but he says it. He's a director at the company and we released this video and I confirmed him in a restaurant in New York City and a week later I was removed from Project Veritas. So conspiracy theories were abound. Did Fizer bribe somebody? Did they put pressure on people? This is the guy Jordan Walker. There he is right there. Change your music. I remember this guy. Yeah. This is this is this is a a a Yale educated doctor director high up within Fizer Pharmaceutical. And there he is freaking out. Um uh grabbed the iPad out of my hand. My cameraman had to in self-defense push him away cuz he was physically assaulting me. You could probably find a better a better video there. Oh, there's the the one of him undercover. Click on that. Fizer ultimately is thinking about mutating COVID. the undercover journalist asked and he said, "Well, that is not what we say to the public." No, no, no. Don't tell this to any Don't tell anybody what I'm telling you. Promise me you won't tell anybody. Can we hear the audio of this guy saying this, Rob? Go back a little bit. Yeah, this part. I hope there's no Titanic music in the background, but go ahead. Not sure if you have audio on the and and James, while he's looking for this, how how in the world can you expose something like this, this guy, plain and simple, and then and nothing happens? Like, nothing happens. The truth is to him or to let's stay on this let's see one thing. Let's stay on this. So while this is happening while this is happening this is being released. Okay. Do you have the audio Rob or No, I do. I uh let's see. You say that our undercover journalist. So you're on a date with him or somebody else is on the co vaccines are ineffective against virus varants. What he said is disturbing. Listen to this. We're exploring like you know how the virus keeps mutating. Yeah. Well, one of the things we're exploring is like why don't we just mutate it hard to so we could we could create develop new vaccines, right? So, we have to do that. If we're going to do that though, there's a risk of like as you could imagine, no one wants to be having a pharma company mutating fibrosis. Yeah. So, we're like do we want to do this? So, that's like one of the things we're considering like the future like maybe we can like create new versions of the vaccines and things like that. Okay. See Fiser ultimately for the audience who may not remember this. Okay, we reacted to this multiple times. Okay, but how high ranking of a person is it? Pretty high. Okay, pretty high ranking. At the time when I released this, the the mainstream media were like, well, we don't know if that's really a Fiser director. They denied that this guy was who he was. I got internal Microsoft Teams messages from sources within Fizer that confirmed he was who he said he was. He's a director high up in the company two below the chief executive officer and yeah high ranking guy. Okay. So when that happens you release that. What happens? Give me the sequencing of what happens with project Veritas trying to fire you. The 25 employees that turned against you. What happened then? Yeah. So this was released January 26, 2023. Uh January 25th, pardon me. The confrontation with was released the very next day in Brooklyn. It was filmed in a pizza restaurant in Brooklyn. And then I was uh board meeting was on February the 6th where they brought in a 6 and 1/2 hour grievance session. Out of 75 employees about 12 employees spoke with these grievances which is what you watched in the documentary. And then on February the 10th they indefinitely suspended me without pay aka fired me from Project Veritas. Now, the claims they made is you fired a CFO and you fired is it Hinckley or what's his first name? British Barry Hinckley. Barry Hinckley. So, he was the chief strategy officer if I'm not mistaken. Correct. So, walk me through what their concern was cuz like you don't have the right to fire the CFO, the chief strategy officer. Like, I'm the CEO, the founder. What do you mean I can't fire? They said that I was wrong for me to fire the chief financial officer. Who is they? The board. The board. These individuals that you saw on the film, right? They uh it's got the their names, Matthew Tiermont, George Skakel, uh uh other other individuals who no one knows their names, Joe Barton. But these board members said James does not have the authority. And it turns out I did have the authority. And the chief financial officer sent me a message on February the 2nd saying, "We're going to have an emergency board meeting to remove you, James O'Keefe, as CEO." I was like taking off on an airplane at the time. I was like, "This is the Twilight Zone. You're" I said, "What are you going to say to the public? Do you have a press release written?" They said, "No, the public doesn't need to know." So, for me, it was like, "Are you kidding me?" Like, this was like the Twilight Zone. Were they using counsel to threaten you to follow every order they were giving you or else? Is that kind of what they were doing to you? Intimidation or No, no. It was just a a it's it this is the story of of what this is such a crazy story. They weren't threatening me. They were just informing me that they were going to remove me as a CEO of the company. So my my number three guy saying we're going to remove you and restructure the company. I said, "Okay, you're fired. This is not going to happen. This I'm not going to let you I'm not going to let you do this because it's going to destroy the organization if you do this." And this is the phone call we're having as the airplane is taking off from Nashville, uh, excuse me, to Nashville on February the 2nd. All of this is in this film I just released. You can hear some of the audio of what transpired. And then they have this board meeting on the 6th. That's Monday, February the 6th, 2023. Some a week or so after you just video you just watched. And and that's where you had this bizarre struggle session, mauist struggle session where they brought they marched in employees and it was almost like a employees went on strike and said we don't like James O'Keefe. He's a mean boss. He works us too hard and they had these weird grievances and you could hear all the grievances in the Yeah. One time apparently you ate a eight-month pregnant woman sandwich which she later on came back and talked about. Yes. The pregnant lady said it didn't happen. Yeah. She said didn't happen. But they literally said you ate an eight-month pregnant women's sandwich. Yeah. I stole a a pregnant woman's sandwich. Uh I took Barry Hinckley said, "I took black SUVs around." He said, "You shouldn't be transporting the CEO around like this." Um a bunch of really strange accusations which never made sense to anybody. Anybody watching was like, "This is insane." And questions are what how could this happen? Why could the so many things to dive into here about what went down? So on on George Skakel, Rob, if you can pull this up now. The George Skakel I keep pulling up is Ethel Kennedy's father. Ethel Kennedy married RFK, the the Bobby Kennedy's father, the the gen the uh uh uh AG who got assassinated. So you're saying that George Skel family is related to the George Skakel that was one of the board members? Yes. To be clear, Ethel Kennedy, the Kennedys and the Skakels are two famous families. Kennedy's Democrats, Skakels Republicans. Ethel Kennedy is the mother of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. This same Ethel Kennedy is the aunt of that man right there, George Skakel. So, they are in fact related. So, they are in fact related. Okay. So George Skakel uh one when when the conversation comes about at the end of the documentary when he says hey you can never have a house like this is it all about money is it how much money do you make is it all about money for you yeah I bet you can never have a house like that and he's got a nice house that's to the side how did he make his money um that's not exper that's not exactly clear to me but his his father's grandfather founded a company I I forgot the name of the company big company probably find it online here. Uh was it carbide or Union Lake carbide? Some type of coal processing. Uh so it's generational money. So it's like a third generation, fourth generation money. Correct. Okay, I got it. So when he said the four the the when they asked the question and they said so how much money did uh James O'Keefe steal or whatever the question was and he said $785,00023 or $78523 and he asked the question, so how'd you come up with that number? I can't tell you. What was he talking about? He literally just made it up under oath. He was flippant. He was being flip. It's a remarkable piece of footage. He's under oath. This is a federal deposition. Your audience might be asking, "How can O'Keeffe play courtroom videos?" Depositions aren't under seal, meaning they're public proceedings. This video taped. He's under oath in a federal courtroom proceeding. And the attorney asks, "You alleged that James O'Keeffe owes you money or stole money? How much did James steal?" And right, he has it. He found it. Watch this clip. What you owe first and then we can start talking about it. I'm interested to know how much you Yes. Sorry. Um uh play back speed to normal. There you go. Watch this. Oh, $785,00023. How did you arrive at that figure? With a very very complicated algorithm. I cannot reveal because it's confidential and it's based on the employment agreement. Obviously, it looks very honest here. Yeah. How many violations did you identify? 27. 27 violations of the employment agreement and that led you to what figure? I just told you I'm not repeating my answer. Is that analysis in your documents you provided yesterday? Is it done in your head? Uh partially. Where else? Well, I'm allow I'm not allowed to disclose that. I mean, these people were just impeaching all of their credibility. Okay. So, so this guy George Skakel when he's saying that prior to them coming after you, you dropped the Fiser thing that it talks about four companies he's invested in. One of them, I don't know how many of them was pharma. What What was his link? If there is any theories to say, well, the reason why he did this because they got a phone call saying this. What are some speculations that you have that caused them to want to fire you right after the biggest story you guys ever dropped uh uh with Project Veritas? Well, there was another clip in the in the deposition. and you could pull it up here in a minute, but he says that uh these companies could, this is his quote, could be sold to Fizer. That's right. That's what he says. And these companies now I now when you're in a nonprofit organization that investigates these things, we have to sign a conflict of interest policy, right? And this is very important in my in my business, infinitely more important than any other business. If you have financial investments in these kind, you have to disclose that. I did not know this, but every one of my board members were co-investing in these companies without my knowledge. I They were soliciting money from each other to put into these companies and I didn't know it until I got to this lawsuit. Uh, and this is an ongoing lawsuit. He found it. This is the clip. If you want to play that clip, Rob about three or four companies. You just had it. Y go for it. transparency. Only thing that has changed is that we broke the biggest story in our organization's history. It was a story that was so big that it was a combination of the board thinking they finally could do this without James O'Keeffe, but also maybe some conflicts of interest per their own words. Is it fair to say that three of the four companies you've invested in you would consider to be in the medical field? or petrogen could be sold to a big pharma like fizer. You agree with me what fizer could be a candidate for maybe potentially. Yeah. I mean, you know, I think if I was a banker, you'd be crazy not to let Fiser know that it was available. Yeah. It turns out I I was up against all these people who were financially aligned really deposit right there, Ron. Yeah. So, three or four companies, James, the the board members that you had. Mhm. If you can give a one, how did you find them? Two, profile because if I'm if I'm on your board and you you're having to raise $2 million a month because this thing takes a lot of work. The whole $24 million you were talking about, they said, "Well, we want you to stop raising money. How the hell do you want the company to run? We can't raise money." Yeah. So if if you bring these guys in, don't they have to be 100% locked in to realize who you are? Like everybody knows, you know, what you're going to do and what you're not going. You're an acorn guy. When you drop that whole acorn story going to an event with an underage hooker that you showed up to as a pimp. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Come on in. Come on in. Come on in. And I think you were with Breitbart at that time if I'm not mistaken. That's right. Yes. So, don't they don't these guys who are part of your board members know who they have as the product that they're marketing? The problem was nobody was willing to be on my board. The people that I trusted and respected the most said, "I can't be on your board." I'll write you a $100,000 check. Tax. This is nonprofit. Tax deductible money. Someone even wrote us a half a million dollar check, but he says, "I can't be on your board because I, you know, it's too risky for me. The liabilities, Pat, the liabilities of what I do approach infinity. I've been sued dozens of times. There's no, at least not yet. I hope to make it sustainable and profitable. There's no profit in this. You can't become wealthy doing this. Why? Because you get sued so much. And the legal fees on the balance sheet, the liabilities always outweigh the assets. So, you have to be a little nuts, at least in the right way to do this. You have to be You're fully nut. No, you you are you're qualified to be certain ways I am. But the problem is is if you self the self-interest is a very powerful motivator for people and the instinct for self-preservation is extremely powerful. So when you get raided by the FBI, which we were in 2021, a year before this happened, and you're getting sued by everybody, the problem is is if you're not messianic, if you're not missiondriven, you'll corruption, why would you let them be on your board? I So that was my mistake. That was my mistake. I did not discern this and I and I had a founders board. I knew these guys from 10 years prior, right? When I was scrapping, when I had nothing and they were willing. So I so so the mistake that I made is they were willing to be on the board and I said, "Okay, and I couldn't find anybody." The hardest thing about How many do you need? What's that? How many board members do you need? 501c3s require a minimum of three, but you really should have five optically over. How many did you have at the peak? I had three at Veraritoss, 51c3, and then I had three at 51c4 and they combined the boards when they did this. They just put everyone on the same board. So, six, that's an even number though. Is it is it a six equal voting or the one that votes on a 501c4 doesn't have influence over the 501c3? There were only three board members when they when they did this and it was a two to one vote. Just a two to one vote all. Who was the one? Well, I was the the third board member. So I was opposed of course to this. So it was Tmont and Garvey, John Garvey. And then they combined the other board which was George Skakel and Joe Barton and a man named Steve Lemik who's now deceased. So it became four to one. It became five to one. Five to one. Okay. So profile of those guys, excuse me. Four to2 when Steve voted against it. He the one that passed away. Correct. So he was with you. He actually committed suicide. You can't make this stuff up. It was a 4 to2 vote when they combined the boards and they voted to indefinitely sus suspend. Yeah. He committed suicide. Correct. What was the timeline of when he committed suicide? Um it was within the year after this happened. And is there any stories of why he is it nonrelated to this event? This event caused so much trauma that he just didn't want to deal with it. I don't know. It may be it may be unrelated. I don't know. Okay. Maybe unrelated. Of the four board members that were against you, we just learned a little bit about Skakel. Can you tell us a little bit about the other three? Absolutely. And there should be some clips in this film to to back up what I'm saying. As you know, I like to make factual statements. There's Matthew Tamond was the was the number one uh orchestrator, the the the top guy. And I'll you want me to take you through a little bit of each of these guys? Matt Tierman, I was on a boat in the Bahamas, Pat, about eight, nine years ago with a big big supporter, a big philanthropist. And he said to me, you have to beware of this man. I said, why? He said, because this man is incredibly jealous of you, James, and he wants to be you. You need to get him off your board. Now, at the time, I didn't know what that meant. I was like, oh, what does that mean? He admires me. I didn't have any life experience to inform me what could happen to someone who wants to be you. But apparently, people saying this guy was very envious. He he wanted to, you know, to to to be me or to have what I have, whatever that we could talk about that. That's Matthew Tiermont, the guy who orchestrated everything. And there are some insane pornographic obscene messages he sent me. Now, Matthew Tiermon was soliciting the board members to put money into his companies that he was is for-profit Wall Street. He worked on Wall Street. He he he has an economics degree from the University of Chicago. his father was a famous a famous Polish anti-communist dissident. A lot of these guys had fathers who were wealthy and famous. So, one theory is that they lived in the shadow of their fathers. We could talk more about him in in a minute. There's George Skakel who we've been talking about. There's a man named Joseph Barton. There's federal deposition clips of him in the film. Joe Barton said some pretty crazy things in his deposition. He said, "I'm not entitled to a private life." So, these guys were publishing uh messages about my personal life with my girlfriend. There's a man named John Garvey who has is about to be deposed. He hasn't yet been deposed. And then there's Steve Almic who committed suicide. Those are the board members. Of the four, how many of them have you had communication with since they fired you? These guys have been obsessively, I mean obsessively, posting and tweeting on X about me. non-stop for the last two years. Crazy stuff, demonic stuff. You wouldn't even believe me unless I pulled it up on the screen. One of the ones, uh, which one was the one that kept texting you, I love you. Listen, I'm I feel so bad about what's going on and then afterwards, you're my [ __ ] You know, all this stuff. So, how often did that happen? Was that board members or was were those employees? You're referring to in the film, these are these are some of the employees. Now, now again at Project Gard, people don't realize when I came on your show, we had like 65 70 employees. That's that's a lot of people. And and you saw about 12 or so were acting in this demonic way. You're referring to a couple of the younger employees who were behaving like this. So, they came in the boardroom, they said, "Okay. He's a power drunk tyrant." And then a week later, they would send me an Instagram. I'm so sorry. I feel horrible for what I did. I never should have did this. And then like a few months later, they're calling me. I can't even say it on the air, but horrible, you know, expletative words on on uh on DMs. So now, are you at a point that are we because to us when it happened, the first thing I said is I don't know what Project Veritas is without O'Keefe. And I know they don't like to hear that. You know, a lot of times people think, you know, certain organizations can get the same kind of same kind of results without the face. Most companies can survive without a face. Most companies could. And you're like, "Oh my god, Apple will never make it without Steve Jobs. Apple goes from a hundred billion auto company. When Steve Jobs dies, Tim Cook did a great job. It's a three trillion auto company. He 30x what Steve Jobs had." Right? But this is a small nonprofit that like when I said you're crazy enough to do stuff like this, the average person doesn't wake up saying, "Let me go expose Fizer in the middle of all the [ __ ] that's going on. Let me go expose Acorn and have the guy I work with suddenly have a heart attack that nobody knows what's going on." And then Michael Cormier, who is the leading inves, I don't know what what role he had, and then he all of a sudden dies. And they don't know what he died from. They're saying arsenic poisoning in the LA corer's office. The average person doesn't want to do your job. The average person just wants to consume the content you create. So project Veritas, we saw one of the recent clips. And the most common question everybody asks is, "Wait a minute. Why does it say Veritoss and OMG, right? O'Keefe Media Group." What was that all about? Are you at a point right now where Veritas is coming back under you or not yet? Yeah. So they're they're on the verge of bankruptcy. They when I when I was raising $2 million a month, $24 million a year. It's a a lot of money to raise as a nonprofit. Remember, there's no annuities. You have to ask people for money constantly. And when they got rid of me, the donations just stopped. Everybody wanted their money back. And in that board meeting, I had one trump card because these guys were it was like a struggle session. They just wanted to make me feel abused. It was a lot of envy and just petty human things that this is not unique. It happens in a lot of organizations. But to your point, what are they going to do if they get rid of the guy who's the the raising all the funds? They didn't have an answer and they didn't care. Now, in the movie, I I noticed your producer had that 54-minute movie. If you can find this moment where it's about 3/4 of the way through towards the end of that board meeting, uh that's the guy Matthew Tiermon. You just saw him on the screen right there. There was a quote that's incredibly important. And I said, I point of order, what are you guys going to do? Because that's that's the trump card I had. What's your plan? Okay, you want to lash me, you want to crucify me, you want to make me feel abused. And Tman says something and I hope we can pull it up. That that same guy, he goes, we have 65 employees. We're going to be fine without James O'Keefe. They actually believed or they wanted to believe. Not for a product like this. But but but you see that's so interesting about human nature, isn't it? Because when you're that envious, when you're that resentful, when you're that deluded, uh there it is right there. You got it. 65 employees. You saw you just passed a moment ago. My question is what what is the plan of of uh if you implement this solution? Project is an organization that has 65 incredibly talented individuals who are capable of doing journalism. We don't believe that there will be any lost output uh on the margins. Cut. There it is. So, they actually believed that there wouldn't be any lost output on the margins. Literally, the exact opposite happened. Every donor wanted their money back. Nobody trusted anything they had to say. Now, they believed, but content is king. Our journalism matters. But the problem, what they failed to understand is investigative journalism is all about trust. And if you behave like this, nobody's going to trust anything that you report. And I think that's what they failed to understand. But Matthew Tier actually believed that Project Veraritoss didn't need James O'Keefe anymore. So, and they also apparently lost 200,000 followers like within days of us, you know, the audience finding out that you're no longer tied to them. So, even the Veritoss account, I don't know what it was, but but I saw somewhere that they lost a couple hundred thousand followers as well. So what what number did that $24 million go down to? The revenue you mean? Yes. Zero. Ne negative equity. There was a one individual, I can't name the donors under the freedom of association under the first amendment, but one donor said, "I want my $1 million check back." The chief financial officer said, "It's unlawful for us to return your check." That's not true. The donors wanted their money back. So they went they went deeply into into debt. So, when I left, there was somewhere around $10 million in cash and no debt. No debt. And and uh and now they're like $2 million in debt with no cash. So, are you going to is it going to come back to you? Is that where you are where eventually? And people, your audience might be wondering, well, why can't O'Keeffe talk about the specifics of the of the negotiations? Because I promised the court I won't, and I'm a man of my word. on settlement negotiations. You can't talk about the details. I can talk about the proceedings. That's public. I just can't talk about the details of the so-called settlement, you know, the the uh the talks of uh acquiring or getting the information back. All I can tell you is that I'm in talks to to to reacquire project veritas. When you put that project veritas on the back of that most recent video that you did, why did you do that? Because we had filmed a video in front of that brick brick wall. uh brick brick wall backdrop. We literally brick by brick rebuilt the project veritas studio here in uh West Palm Beach, Florida where I now I now live because I was about to imminently about to announce that I'm reacquiring Project Veritas. Oh, so it wasn't finalized yet. So did you have permission from them to use that? Can you use that? Was that a conversation? I'm going to the There is no there is no trademark uh of of the of the of the of the uh logo. In fact, I've I've applied for the trademark myself, so I'm allowed to use it. Okay. I'm allowed to report the same reason I'm allowed to report on the court proceedings. For sure. Well, I mean, look, the the work you do and did is not everyone's work. Uh uh it's not something everyone wants to do nor can do in the manner that you do it because you stay poised and calm in the moments that you're in and you get in the faces of people yet still stay respectful. That's that's not easy for people to do because some people in that moment they get so emotional and then they don't know how to come down. You stay. So you can't even train somebody to be like that. You either have it or you don't have it. one can get better but you can't just train someone to say why can't you do what O'Keefe does it's not a skill set they can teach anybody so hopefully to go to that direction because I think your job is a very important job to move on is there anything else you want to tell the audience before we move on from this story because obviously we're going to put the link below to go watch the documentary but any final thoughts on this story uh couple things number one you can watch the movie O'Keefeagroup.com it's $9 people say why are you charging for journalism well most of the most of the journalism I don't charge for, but I think this movie is incredibly cinematic. I know you watched it yesterday. It's a it's an incredible experience and it's a really story about human nature. This is about human nature. How do I build an an organization? It's not really a business. I mean, it is a business, but it's it's a mission. How do you create a sustainable entity, a team of people going after the most powerful people in the world, which I will continue to do. We're about to talk about Epstein, all these other things I'm doing right now. How do you build that without it getting corrupted, without people lying about you to the FBI to protect their families? Right? These are really hard questions that I haven't yet fully figured out yet. I'm learning. I'm experimenting. Nobody does this. So, I'm trying to create a sustainable organization that can do it at scale. and to be fired from the company that I created and to build something from nothing. You mentioned in the film George Kel says you can't afford my house. That statement said so much about him, didn't it? Anybody who says that you can't afford my house, it I don't know if you can play that real quick all the way at the end. This is the thing that actually struck people the all the things in the film. It's the very last like thing that happens in the movie. Uh this really struck people and it says so much about the character of these people. It's about like they're literally standing. That's right there. Right there. Play it at the line. The loyalty. George, were you an investor in the same company as Matt Turmont? Some of them. You didn't disclose that. But I didn't I wasn't an investor in the companies while I was on your board. While you're on the board? Yes. I think I was on the board then. You weren't? No. When did you become an investor? After I left left your board. Is that right? How much did you invest in each of Matt Tierman's companies? Watch this. I don't think that's any of your business. I think it is. How much did you We have a disagreement. Are you refusing to answer the question? Yes. I want to talk about your investments in I want to talk about you. How much money did you spend? How much money did you spend on private helicopters? I wasn't particularly concerned about the financial stuff. There is no reason for me to disclose anything. My personal investments. Yes. That's ridiculous. Well, you said you're a businessman and Fiser could be a buyer. What did you mean by that? What did you mean? I invest in businesses. That's not news. It's about making money. That's how I make Yeah. It's all about making money, isn't it? How do you think I paid for this? Is it all about money? Too bad you can't afford that. There it is right there. So, you're a liar. Yeah. Well, it's all about money, isn't it? It's all about money. Because I'm not a business guy. It's all about money, isn't it? This was my one of my closest my closest associates. So it was almost like an uncle to me. And unfortunately Pat you know I I I think I would say the last comment is I don't know whether the commercial imperative the profitm mechanism is compatible with absolute truthtelling. When I watch the people closest to I mean this guy was an uncle figure his wife was like my second mother and money just unfortunately tends to corrupt. So that's it's a deeper more philosophical concept. I just wanted to get that out and and tell you that I'm working on it. And I think the solution is to find really strong people with really strong convictions who are not for sale and unbreakable. And if I can surround myself with those types of people, I think I'll we'll be okay. That's a perfect transition into the one video clip. Rob, if you can about your life, right? We've all seen this clip. Vinnie, you love this clip. Can you Rob, is there music in this one? I think there is, right? I believe there is. Is it going to be okay to play it with the music? As long as we comment. It's on YouTube shorts without music, too. Whichever your preference is, this will work. What is the message of it, Rob? Uh, if the price isn't your life, then you're for sale. Yep. Let me see if I can find it on YouTube without the music. See if you can YouTube shorts is without music. I mean, the music adds a It adds It adds something to it. You feel like you want to cry. Yeah, there it is. Is that the one? That's it. without me. Okay, go forward. Price. Is it 10 million? Back to the beginning cuz it clipped out. Is it 20 million? What is your price? There you go. Is it 10 million? Is it 20 million? Is it 100 million? What is your price? Because if your price is not your life, then you are for sale. [Music] If your price is not your life, then you are for sale. Wow. So if you're going to be a trutht teller, your price has to be your life. I can't surround myself with people whose price is not their life because the enemy, whatever the enemy is, whether it be physical, legal, spiritual, will will will attack the vulnerability of the person who can be compromised. So you get real spiritual real fast. Uh if you're going to do this type of work, what is your price, James? And I've I've I've seen this multiple times. I've shared it with people. We've played on the podcast. I think what you're doing, you're you're hands down the the best journalist. You don't give a [ __ ] You even said right now that you're not in the like what what money are you making from exposing the truth? I know it's it's going to be damn near impossible to trust every single person because what you said about the money situation, but in regard to this video, James, with the price life, has anybody I'm pretty sure they have, approached you of any people of power that have tried to offer, maybe a Soros, maybe somebody to tell you like, James, shut up. Here's money. We'll give you this. Disappear. Leave us alone. It's it's a very interesting. Yeah, this one. And I remember you you DM'd me. I I appreciate that very much. You were very touched by this. At the time, people were you could hear the murmurss in the crowd. These are men twice my age. Yes. Just a simple statement. They're like, "Whoa." Yeah. What a concept. Yeah. Yeah, it's I mean this is not you know these are these are um there have been a couple times in meetings where people have the closest thing I could say whereas a person of wealth would ask me to do something and I would say I I can't I can't this is not an exchange of goods and services. I can't do something in exchange for you paying me to do it. That's not how I work as a journalist. I have to operate impartially without fear. And then when the person realized where I was coming from, they kind of backed off. They're like, "Oh, I no, that's okay." I almost feel like they're concerned that I'm going to like record them trying to bribe me, which I would, of course, that's who you are. So, when they realize when they when they when they danced on that precipice and they realized where I was coming from, I think they realized, "Oh, Keefe could expose me." And to their credit, they back off. And there's that interesting dance where they're maybe they're in their minds trying to corrupt me, but they then realize I could expose them. Yeah. So, there's been that. Yeah. So, so you know, you hear a message like that with life and you know, your life's on the line and some of the stories you pursue. Now, here's the thing. Politically, James, what would you say you are politically? I don't even know anymore. I I say the truth. I did a story on Pam Bondi. That's exactly what I'm doing. And I took I took a hit. I was we I think I I I tell stories by way of example because I think it's better than abstractions. I did a story on the attorney general of the United States and it was hard for me because I don't dislike her or or or like her. It's not about whether I like someone or dislike them. It's about whether the public has a right to know the information I'm exposing. I tend to have been branded as a conservative only because I felt the legacy media in the last decade and two decades has been uh not telling the truth. And if you do tell the truth, then you're branded as a right-winger. But I don't even know what these terms mean anymore. I really don't know what it means to be a liberal or conservative anymore. Do you? I don't I don't understand. I think conservative values are pretty uh uh clear. I think liberal values are not today. They're confused. But conservative values, family, you know, country, you know, uh, uh, America first, making sure we're not going for nonsense wars where people's kids are, you know, fighting a war that's unnecessary because somebody's making money on the back end and deals are getting done. Faith, freedom of speech, th those are conservative values, right, that I would say they're there. watching you, I would say you have you have well constitutionalist, you know, I'm I'm a very strong first amendment perhaps one could say absolutist uh for on the first amendment with some exceptions. So I would say I believe and for example one of one of my values and virtues is I believe in equal justice before the law. I think the law should I know that it's impossible but we should try to emulate this. We should the law should treat people equally. Some would say that's a conservative value, right? That's a that's an American and and quite conservative value. And I also believe in the freedom of speech and I'm an absolutist when it comes to that. Yeah. And and and where I'm going with this is the following. So video comes out because a a lot of conservatives were told on day one, week one, you know, we're going to find out about Epstein, 911, MLK, John F. Kennedy. We're going to find all that stuff out. And we've been wanting it for a while to see what's going on with this, who's behind it, especially the last few years at a whole different level. And we're gonna find out who the assassination attempt was. Was was he tied to anybody? Was Thomas tied to anybody? And then we all see the same clip that you've seen, right? It's the clip with Banino and Cash Patel. Yes. If if you can pull that clip up, Rob. And you know, these are two men that almost anybody who know I think that's the one right there. Almost anybody that knows them would call them patriots, right? Yeah. They've served their country. They've given their lives to the country. Dan has at the highest level. So has Cash Patel. And then we see this clip here that throws a lot of people off. Go forward, Rob. You said Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide. People don't believe it. Well, I mean, listen, they have a right to their opinion, but as someone who has worked as a public defender, as a prosecutor who's been in that prison system, who's been in the Metropolitan Detention Center, who's been in segregated housing, um, you know, a suicide when you see one and that's what that was. He killed himself. You again, you want me to get I've I've seen the whole file. He killed himself. I know it's hard work. you said and and you saw people that have done uh body language, you know, Dan looks uncomfortable saying what he's saying. The way he answered it, you can tell they've role played that and you know they now this is purely what people are speculating, right? And then you have this one clip with Pam Bondi, correct? If you have the Pam Bondi one. maybe walk us through what's going on here before we I don't know if you want me to narrate live as opposed to watching me on the screen narrating, but perhaps we go we go to the beginning of where you see Pam Bondi on the hidden camera. So, I I'll just talk live what I said on the C. Okay. So, there she is at the White House. Go back to the beginning of that clip of her life. So, that was a tough one for me to publish because I I I uh you asked if I'm political and I think I'm you know, you have to decide who you want to be. Are you a political operative or are you a journalist? And to be a journalist, it's hard because you have to do things like this. Pam Bondi um was caught in a restaurant telling a stranger, a nanny, on uh April 28th or so that there are tens of thousands of videos involving little children. Now, I didn't target her. I didn't seek to get this. People send me stuff. Sometimes I have undercover people all over the country and they happen to get a conversation in an airport. I get sent this. I'm like, "Holy, holy shit." This is not public. The attorney general of the United States, and by the way, Cash, I believe the FBI reports to her. So, this is the top dog. Yep. Is saying to a nanny in a restaurant something that no one knows. And to me, I'm like, well, that that's an interesting story, is it not? So, I do what I have to do. I reach out to the attorney general's office for comment. I say the, you know, Pam Bondi, the attorney of the United States, was caught in a restaurant saying, and I actually wonder whether I should have done that. I I probably did him a favor by by by giving them the exact quotes. And then a few days later, she says the exact same thing publicly that I emailed the attorney general's office for comment, saying, and played the clip of her at the White House. This is what she said. of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child porn. Now, this is the first time an official has publicly acknowledged that videos of Epstein and his victims exist. What you may not know is just 9 days prior, the attorney general had a very similar conversation with a total stranger in a restaurant. Do you know when the Epstein files are going to get released? Um, we hope soon. Okay. So, any dates? No. You know what it is? There tens and thousands of videos. Yeah. And it's all with little kids. So, they have to go through everyone in the So, it's interesting because she said it privately in a restaurant to well publicly publicly publicly in a restaurant, not privately. And to me, it's like that's something something. So, I felt like I had to publish this. Now, if she hadn't have gone publicly and said this and I had released this clip in the restaurant, it would have been a much much much bigger deal. But it does raise questions, doesn't it? Why is this Why are they not being transparent with the American people? Why are they telling a nanny in a restaurant? So, it raises questions to your point about Cash. I know Cash a little bit. I think he is a good man. And I mean that I based upon what I know about him. I don't know Dan as much, but I also think he's a good man. I don't trust the bureaucracy that reports to them. And if you put any good man and and the most ethical person at the top of that bureaucracy, I I I think you're setting them up for failure. Let me give you a specific example of where I'm coming from. I was raided by the FBI. Shortly before I I met you, the FBI pointed guns at me and took my reporter's notebooks. They just recently closed the case against me a few months ago. the FBI in February of this year and they gave me back my phones that they had for three and a half years. When you get a when you get a search warrant to conduct a raid, you have to go to a judge, right, with a reason. Oh, we have this probable cause, the reasons why to raid. When you close a case, which is very rare for the FBI to execute a search warrant and not bring charges, it hardly ever happens. You are required by law to give a copy of the probable cause. That is the reason why you conducted the raid. Guess what they did? They redacted every single word of the probable cause used to raid my newsroom. Every word. Maybe your producer can pull it up on Google or something. I every word. There's a black bar, Pat through. It's a It's a It's a It's ridiculous. It's literally black bars. And we're not talking about terrorists. We're not talking about Jeff Epstein. We're not talking about child molesters and drug traffickers. talking about James O'Keefe, the journalist. So, if our FBI, our attorney general's office, can't be transparent about why they raided a journalist's newsroom, why do we have any faith in the FBI to be transparent about these other these other issues? That's where I'm coming from on this. And is this is this is this in regard to the Ashley Biden diary? Correct. This is it, right? because you exposed cuz somebody contacted you and told them that they found the diary of the daughter of the president of United States staying a bunch of stuff and also claiming that her father showered with her probably at inappropriate ages and then they raid your house. Correct. Yeah, it's an affidavit. It's on my uh go down go down. Uh it's project journalist detained devices seized. This is not it, but it's on my ex page. Um there's a there's a there's on page 47 of the affidavit. Um, every word is redacted. I mean, I I I was enraged. The AC, the American Civil Liberties Union, which is a liberal group, came to my defend. This is like this is crazy. You take if if another country like Ukraine or Russia or North Korea did this, our State Department would. So, my my point is I don't have a lot of faith in these institutions. I just don't. What do you think happens when they get in? That's what I want to know because to me There it is right there. I apologize. I I apologize. Could you just I apologize. Interrupt. Is that real? That's a real That's a real document. Can you zoom in, please? Like what? It says prob probable cause justifying search of O'Keefe's person and premises. Every single word is redacted. They even redacted the footnote. So So isn't this insane? There's more of this. That means they can do whatever they want and they don't have to show you why they came in your house. It's it's literally it's a viol. Look at this. The whole thing. Keep going, Rob. Like, okay. All right. I see what they did there. Okay. Wait, wait, wait. There's something unredacted. Read the bottom. What's the bottom? Read that. Based upon my train, this is an FBI agent. I have learned, among other things, that cell phones are capable of sending emails. Great. Are you kidding me? I'm shocked I didn't redact that. This is not Saturday Night Live. And then it goes on to the rest of the affidavit. But the previous three pages are the probable cause. That is the justification for the raid against James O'Keefe. And James, if you don't mind, what were they looking for? The diary? They weren't looking for the diary was they already they already had that. They What were they Well, that's a loaded question. Were they really trying to do? What were they really trying to They were really trying to get inside my cell phone because people in the government come to me with information which as a reporter I have a right to receive and they don't like that. Of course. Of course. Now, if you think about Did you give them the password to your cell phone? This is another very interesting story because you know what happened with Ron Johnson where when they walked up to his house and they took his phone and the rule of thumb if you ever hand your phone over never you you're not supposed to give the passport. How did they get into your phone? This is a crazy story. They bang on the door and it's the loudest pounding you know it's the feds. You just know. And I go to the door. I'm like I'm opening the door because you know they're going to shoot me and I'm and then they open they put me in handcuffs. I think I'm under arrest. They say no. This is a search warrant. I say, 'I want to speak to my lawyer. I say over and over again, I want to speak to my lawyer because I learned I was arrested 10 years prior. Don't talk to the FBI. Just don't. Even if you're innocent. They say, would you like to use the iPhone on your nightstand? I said, "Yes." And then I I unlock the phone because I have to call my lawyer. And the moment that I unlocked my phone, they snatched the phone. Not get out of here. This is Holy [ __ ] They they snatch the phone out of my hand because I unlocked the phone. And then the FBI agent like almost almost to to torture me in front of me. He goes to the settings and he changes the settings to make it not go to sleep. Wow. And then they put the phone in an evidence bag. Now the FBI has access to all of my signal messages. Do you know what's in my signal messages? All the people in the government that come to me with information. Wow. So, the Department of Justice, this is the Biden Department of or the uh a month before Trump was elected in 2020. Excuse me. Biden was elected in 2020. Now, they have access to all of my sources. Jesus. So, this is what gets considered to be a constitutional raping because the the American Bill of Rights have special protections for reporters and and I'm the you're talking to the only newsroom that has ever been raided by the FBI. We're the only ones that have ever been raided and they did it just to get the information. So, what's behind all those black bars? I believe confidential FBI informants. Of course, people who lied to the FBI to set me up. So, I could tell you so many war stories, guys, but you asked me questions about cash and Dan Bonino. They're great guys. I think they mean well, but if you put me in charge of the FBI, I wouldn't know what to do. I mean, how do you trust a bureaucracy like that where people behave that, by the way, that is totally illegal? You can't take a gun, point it against your forehead, and say, "Give me your reporter's notebooks." If that happened in Eastern Europe, our State Department would be issuing sanctions against that country. But it happened in New York. Yeah. So, so can I ask one question, James? So, they promise all this day one we're going to do this, day one, we're going to do that. What do you think happened? Meaning they're in now. Donald Trump is the president. He's told them, "Go ahead, you guys do whatever you want." What? Who who who makes a Pam Bondi, a Dan Bondino, a Cash Patel all of a sudden change her tunes and not release what we know because James at the end of the day she even said tens of thousands I'm assuming James is let's say 30,000 hours of grown men having sex with children and James I don't know if you're familiar in the movie JFK Jim Garrison says and I quote let justice be done though the heavens fall which basically means going after truth no matter how powerful the people and no matter what happens to the system. So what happens? What what do you think? They go in and who who tells them you are not releasing any of this because our friends and blah blah blah are attached to it. I I don't know if anyone tells them. I mean some have said they they put you in a skiff. This is this is more of a this is not a fact. This is speculation. But a funny notion that might illustrate what could happen is you know that image of JFK getting shot. Yes. Do they put the leaders in a skiff? That's a secure compartmentalized information facility. Do they show the Zaprruder film of JFK getting shot and said, "You better do what we tell you to do." Or that could be you. Now, I'm not saying they did that to these gentlemen. And I actually genuinely mean this. I've met Cash. I think he's a genuinely good man. I just don't I think the system is institutionally corrupt. And everyone says, you know what they said to me, Pat? Oh, call Cash. He'll help you out. Call Bam. Call Pam. Yeah. Like I got them on speed dial. They're getting asked for 10,000 favors a day. I don't have I don't have any money to give them. They're the system is so broken when you need the guy at the top to be so influential. It's the system. It's the article 3 judges. It's the courts. It's the line prosecutors. The agents in my apartment. Do you know that when the agents were in my apartment, I could tell by the looks on their faces that they didn't want to be there? They're like, "This is this is this is crazy. This is this is wrong. But they did it. You speculate a little bit. What do you think happens when they get in? Because they tend to change when they get in. Talking about the FBI agents, anybody and everybody that the moment they get in and the whole quote by Mario Cuomo, people campaign in uh poetry, but they govern in pros. You know, once they go in, you know, they used to communicate and talk to you. Now the only way they talk to you is with emojis. You know, hey, when they were campaigning, they wanted to talk to you regularly. I want to come on the podcast. I want to do this. I want to do that. And then all of a sudden they're in they're they're more uh uh quiet about what do you think happens when politics politics I'm working on a story right now one of the directors of the agencies they mean well they go into FEMA they go on the IRS they have all these notions of freedom and prosperity and eliminating waste fraud and abuse but then they get in there and they're such snakes in these entities just I you know I mean DC it's a land of phonies and narcissists they're not attracted to do the right thing. They want power and money and sex. Are we are we under some delusion that the people in Washington want something other than power and money and sex? What percentage of the people in Washington inside these agencies are actually there to do the right thing? What percent for real are are we naive and foolish enough to think that people are in these places? I think they start off wanting to do the right thing and then through peer pressure they get they get forced or there's a few people or there's a few people that are there who do the right thing but there's so many snakes and manipulative look at what happened to me look why I'm on your show I started my own institution because I didn't want to be part of the snakes and and the snakes infiltrate and I I think in some regards it's human nature um and this is a really good question you're asking. I'm learning in real time. I started an institution because I didn't trust institutions and then I'm removed from my own institution by snakes. Yeah. Hello everyone. I'm James O'Keefe. Been doing this journalism thing for about 20 years. Truth, justice, exposing corruption, everything that comes along with it. If you want to connect with me, talk to me about any of this, you can connect with me through connect. You can see the QR code below. Look forward to hearing from you. Yeah. But what I what I want to know is you you have a creative mind. So let's say let's say out of a 100 people that get in there. Okay. Uh let's say 50 of them are in there because they're driven by power, fame, prestige, you know, narcissist, all that stuff. Okay? Let's say 20% get in because they're statesmen. They love America. They're, you know, they're just really want to go out there and make a difference. Let's say 30% get in because they think it's a good job, right? It's like, it's a pretty good job. I'm going to go try it out, see what I can do. I'm going to go be a lawyer. Okay. The 50% are the ones that found a place where they can use their evil tendencies. And I understand what you're saying. I understand what you're saying. But once the 20% gets in, y the 20% are the ones that are getting in that I'm a statesman. I love America. Got it. You know, it's bigger than this. What do you think happens for the 20enters to flip? What I think is you was you say 20% statesmen get in there or something like that. It says 20%. I'm just making up a number. I think that's accurate. I think that's accurate. I think there are probably 20% I was probably embellishing. The problem is is if you're in an institution, you have leakers or or one or two people at the top. All it takes is a couple that are sabotaging your campaign that are leaking your confidential informance to the press. It completely sabotages your operation. So the problem in in these institutions if you don't have your team which is like 100% loyal and in and high integrity even a few of these snakes can destroy the entity. So that that is that is the problem in my view is that you have a couple people at the top who who are engaged in gaslighting uh destructive campaigns. Uh maybe Bonino, here's another thing, like they're getting fed information that is not true uh and they're put in a position, an untenable situation where it's difficult for them to be successful. That's what I think. Well, James, here's my question though. If they're from her words, we all everybody heard it twice. One to a stranger, one in front of a camera on the White House lawn. They have tens of thousands of hours. That's mindboggling of grown men having sex with children. Okay. What? Who has the power, James, to not let them expose those people right now? Because those people are still walking around pedophiles, sexual assault pedophiles that belong in prison. And and to me, I I I believe they deserve to die. Okay, that's my thing. Who's stopping them, James, from releasing one of the names? We we know the whole backstory with Epstein, but you mean to tell me you guys are watching these videos every single day and nobody's been taken off the street? That's a question that Dan Bino and Cash Patel need to answer. They need to answer. Will they do they have the courage to answer it? Why Why aren't they answering it? By the way, people expect me to answer that question. I don't have any power. I mean, I'm other than the the the the authority that sources give to me when they give me information. I'll tell you something. I released some videos in the last week inside of Epstein's bedroom in the British Virgin, excuse me, the the American Virgin Islands. I'm releasing images inside of his temple. Some interesting stuff on the chalkboard. By the way, there's a weird picture of a baby in his in his dining room. Some weird There's his There's his chalkboard. The FBI had those videos, but you know who released it? O'Keefe Media. Yep. So why why can't they release the binders at the was remember the binders they released okay if they release why can't they release this stuff why why am I releasing it I mean there's no sex of children in there that's something you could show the public that's Epstein's writing on the by the way on the chalkboard uh some mysterious and cryptic messages there I think our government say power deception music a mirror in face either dank brain or dark brain one these are the public is deciphering these messages that Jeff Epstein, this is video, by the way, if you're wondering what this is, this is days after he was raided, uh, shortly after his arrest there in 2019, 2020. And that's the penmanship to show that it is was in fact Jeff Epstein's writing on the chalkboard. So, we released this video and uh, my point is someone inside the United States government provided that to me. Wow. Someone inside the United States government gave that to you. That's correct. That you're in communication with. That's correct. High ranking or mid-level? I can't say. Okay. But they gave it to you because they knew that the government wasn't going to release it. So, let me have it released by an OMG. They gave it to me because they don't trust the FBI and they work for the FBI. I can't say. Okay. And some of the stuff that I saw, the statues, the angel statue, right? the girl in the bathroom sitting there. The uh uh the That's a strange statue there. It's It looks It's It's like eyes wide shut like sort of stuff there with the with the weird a woman that doing something to her private parts there. It's freaking demonic house, bro. There is some book a book regarding Satan in the bookshelf. We got some books there. So, yeah, this was provided to me. This you're you're looking at the library, the bedroom of Jeffrey Epstein and the uh little St. James the Epstein Island. This is inside of his library. No one's ever seen this before. Um, some people attacking me for publishing this. Oh, we want the names, James. We don't care about his library. But my Oh, there it is. Satanic Verses and some other books there. Satanic Versus by Salman Rush. Salman Rush. Right. That's that's different. But, um, people were attacking me because they want the names. And my philosophy is that if I continue to publish all these things, sources will continue to come out. Okay. So let me let me ask this question to to go to uh the next level. Your your method on how you get it, right? Your method on how you guys gather intel. It seems to be a pattern that a lot of these like it's almost like if I was to audit you to see what your game plan is. you you tend to target people that work in the office that are gay that let me just say it and then just flush mine out and call me out and say I disagree. So through Grinder dating sites, you'll go in step number one, let's identify anybody on this administration that is gay. All right, great. Step number two, go on Grinder and see if you see their profile that matches this. Great. Let's make 20 different profiles and let's see if one of the ones he'll fall for. Great. Four. Schedule day to go out and put the camera and the recording on you and nonchalant ask what do you do and act like you don't know what they do and you don't have a clue who they are and act dumb. And then step number six, let's have a couple drinks. Loosen them up. Make him feel like you're ready to go home and have some fun with them. Step number seven, say, "Let's follow up. I have to go home. I'm so sorry." And then number eight, release the information. Is that pretty spot on on the system and the approach you guys take or am I missing a few steps? You might you might be missing a few but I think that's not 100% of what we do. That might be like 30% of of that's one technique to get information. Yes. Okay. So if that's the case I if that's the case how come have you had any or have you tried maybe the better question is to to say I am sure you've tried to get Fouchy I am sure you've tried to get his people I am sure you've tried to you know uh uh uh see how you can find him to get him in a place to open up and talk the question would be one have you two why have you not been that successful with specifically Anthony Fouchy. I am specifically talking about Anthony Fouch. The man, not his staff, for example. Well, anybody that's a his lieutenant that would be a staff as well. That's still a very valuable asset because what you did with Fizer was very powerful. Why haven't you gone been successful with Fouchy? You know, that's a I don't have a legitimate excuse there. I I suppose um I I like to say this to my staff that and I hate to refer to myself in the third person, but O'Keeffe O'Keefe Media, my organization, we always get the story. Sometimes it just might take longer for us to get it. So I would say we haven't gotten him yet. Uh have I made the attempts? I mean, we did so many stories about Fizer specifically, but to your point, why haven't we gone after this man in particular? Oh, I remember about two three years ago, I was I I did some everything I'm talking about is legal, but I did some a lot of surveillance on him for a number of days and moved on to the next story. So, I I I suppose I don't really have a good excuse there and and that's something that I should get him to open up about. I don't know if I told you last time we were together, there was a story of an insurance guy who uh uh had a couple prostitutes on his payroll and this guy sells big insurance policies, something called premium financing. And one day, one of his competitors steals a give it away, give it, give or take a $5 million insurance policy away from him. And he finds out that he stole that $5 million insurance policy and coerc the client to go with him instead of the other guy. Anyways, this guy, step number one, someone's computer keeps calling that. Can you lower the audio? Yeah. So, he sends first the private investigator to see patterns for about a month. They measure his patterns. what restaurants he goes to at what time, where he sits, what he orders, who's his waiter, who's his waitress. A month later, after doing a private investigation and seeing his patterns, she sends the girl. The girl goes sits at the bar, he she knows where he's going to be at, what time. And right next to him, she gets emotional and she smiles at him. He starts talking and say, "What's going on? Is everything okay with you? I'm so sorry. I'm just really going through really hard time." She starts crying. She opens up to him. She says, "I'm so embarrassed crying here." He follows her, goes upstairs to a room. Boom. They have the recording, the footage. He sends the footage to the other agent, says, "Hey, this is what you did. You need to send that client back over to me." Do you go as far as that to measure patterns of an individual to see what restaurants and places to go to to be able to track it or, you know, is that one of the other extreme example? But we have done things like that. There is something that we're working on right now where we were uh uh tracking down uh corruption in DC uh which you'll see in a month or so which is serious serious story and we had to find a specific individual or a specific organization. So you can't do a dating app thing. You got to do it a different way uh for for you might you might uh uh pretend to an uh we don't do exactly what you just said but you might create an alias. Let's say you're you're a head hunter or you're a hiring. So you whatever a person needs, someone needs something. Undercover work is about identifying what that need is and providing that thing to them so that you can get access to them. Undercover work is all about access. Uh how do you get access to someone? The easiest way is is a dating app because everyone needs love and affection and so forth and so on. Or they they they believe the person they're meeting with could be a possible future partner. That's the easiest and most expedient way. But you you make a really good point about Anthony Fouchy and and frankly I don't have a good excuse and I usually don't do this on live television, but maybe I should send a team to get him to open up. It's a good idea. Um I don't think me saying this will stop him. That's the other thing. These people are so arrogant that people often say, "How do these people keep talking to you like this?" And the truth is because I'm not a psychologist, but for lack of a better word, they're all narcissists. They think they're untouchable. That's right. And they don't even look at us. It's almost like they're confessing. They They just don't even think. It's impossible for them to think they could be held accountable for what they're saying. And we have a whole bunch of what we call swipers. We call them the American swipers. And these are girls, some guys. I do this sometimes, you know, and I go on these these lunch meetings, dinner meetings, and they just spill the beans. a lot of guys in the deep state in Washington that work for these organizations, the Pentagon, Department of Defense, and they're talking about they're resisting Donald Trump from the inside. Don't tell anybody I'm doing this. And they'll always say it within the first 15 minutes. And some of them have security clearances. Yeah, that's the part where when you're putting a team together, you you have to measure their level of ambition to be cool, right? To kind of say, "Let me tell you what I know." Wink wink. Let's keep it between us. I'm cool. You know, goes back to Jonah Mendes, the chief disguise officer I had on the podcast. I interviewed her right in front of the White House. And I said, "What's a good quality of being a CIA agent?" I said, "Is it charming? Is it is it great in sales? Is it being great persuader? Is it being this? Is it being that?" He says, "It's all of that and then some." However, there's one quality we look for. What's that? If you just got the information that, you know, you're watching TV, you just saved the free world, you don't need to brag about it to anybody else. Wow. That's the quality of a good CI agent. What a freaking perspective. So for me, if you're bringing guys in, like you almost have to size them up to see how much are you trying to be cool. Like for example, Scott Bessant gives me a lot of good vibes of a guy that could give a [ __ ] about being cool. Makes sense because this guy worked under the roof for 15 years, almost 14 years. First term was, I think, nine years under Soros, then five years as his chief investment officer if I'm not mistaken. Prior to him going up there, the average person didn't know who he was. They kind of knew but they didn't know who he was. It was like whoa who is this guy right? And then he goes in but some of the guys that get in there they're really really ambitious with fame and fame tends to get a hold of you and corrupt you in ways because behind closed doors you want to be sitting in a room saying let me tell you what I know. That's very hard to find people like that on the inside. very hard to you know have people around you that no information on what things you guys are working on and they want to brag to nobody when I was running my insurance company would always have big announcements like first time I had Kobe Bryant as a keynote speaker the late Kobe Bryant I didn't tell anybody at that event I announced him and George Bush as keynote speakers until the very end only two people knew that those two were the keynote speakers I didn't tell anybody and when we announced my own wife didn't know when we announced everyone's like What? Yes. But I could only tell two people. You didn't tell your wife. Nobody knew because it's exciting news. It's not even like for some people that like they want to say it. They can't control the excitement. Oh my god, I can't wait to meet him. Oh my god, I can't wait that he's coming down. Right? So for some it's from purely from an innocent excitement standpoint. For some it's about let me tell you what I know. Don't tell anybody. Right. Dude, that filtering process of getting people like that on your team, that's almost impossible. That's almost impossible. But that is the that is the uh that is the mission of how to surround yourself with good people. Oo, that's a tough thing to do. The only way you can do that is if you've never never had a run rate with them to accelerate the testing because you your your character has to be tested. It takes about a couple years. How do you do that? I'm just curious your thoughts on how do you do that? You you test them. It takes a couple years. you you test them with level three information and see if that gets leaked. It's easy. Go ahead and leak that. So, I don't want you to leak it, but if you do, I now know who you are, right? And then once I do that, I know I can never have you on level two type of meetings. I can only have you on level four type of meetings. I can't invite you to level two type of meetings cuz you leak information. So, that that's the part where little bit here, oh, you can't know. Little bit there. Oh, you cannot. Like you have kids, you know how you're like, let me test to see if this guy can handle some bad news at this age. You give it to him, he panics and has anxiety. Like I can't give you bad news. But you give this other guy some bad news about what's going on with family. He can handle you. Like this guy's a gamer. He's not there yet. Because this guy gets distracted. This guy with bad news, he knows how to keep it to himself. Stay strong. Okay, good. I can handle talking highle conversation with this level of my kid, but not this one. Like a controlled leak almost. It's a controlled leak to test what the individuals know. This is a very difficult thing to do. and I bet out a job with Donald Trump when you're at that level. Uh, all you can do is James, what do you think about John? James, what do you think about Cash? Let's say you don't have a relationship with him. Let's say you don't have a relationship with some of these guys. What do you think about him? I think he's good. And then you're hoping the person I'm asking is a tier one person that can filter out a person that's a tier four. Do I make this person a tier two? I don't know if this is making sense. like you have to almost like lean on somebody else you trust to filter them out. The reason why I'm going here is to to see, you know, how how for somebody to get to the level of the president where you saw the first term, how many people he hired that turned on him, flipped on him. What did his methodology for phase two in 2024 change? How do you think about the team that and the people that he's put together? I think they're a good team. I think they're loyal. That's what I I in full disclosure, I I've hiked with Bobby Kennedy in the Santa Monica Mountains and I found him to be a brave man. I say brave, I mean he there was no incentive for him to do what he has done. He's a Kennedy. So I I agree with Tucker that Bobby Kennedy is probably one of the bravest people to have done what he has done. But I I think going back to your point about incentives in my case, I speak from personal experience. Let me let me give you a thought experiment. Yeah, I've been arrested by the FBI. I've been raided by the FBI. I've been sued 50 times. I've been through all these things. Haven't been shot yet. And what Trump what Trump has gone through is at the highest level. And um I find that there is an incentive to betray people like Trump. Think of all the goodies you get if you go to the New York Times and there's an incentive there. And I I find that um when you are pinched by the FBI, which I have been, and by the way, totally falsely accused, that doesn't matter if you did it or not. You're an innocent man. Forget that. But when they did this to Michael Flynn's son or something to the effect of you better sign this form saying that your boss committed a crime or you won't see your family for 10 years. How many people would take that deal? In other words, how many people would do the right thing even if they suffered? Now, that's a really terrifying and you hesitate to answer that question because this is where things get really deep because when you're going after the most powerful people in the world, which we are doing, which Trump is doing, um, you have to find people, not Pat, who just won't leak information, but if the FBI were to point a gun at you and said, "You better sign a form saying that James embezzled money." They say, "I will not do that because I fear God, not man." Or whatever. If you're a Christian, you say that. If you're something else, you say something similar. I fear God, not man. I will not bear false witness because it's the wrong thing to do. Well, then you're not going to see your family for 10 years. Okay? You have to find people like that. That's hard. It's hard to find those people. I I go back to my original point. The instinct for self-preservation is an extremely important human behavior. And if you're going to do what Donald Trump is doing or to a certain extent what Project Veraritoss was doing, going after Anthony Fouchy and these types of people and Fizer and Black Black Rockck and the FBI, you have to find people who are completely unbreakable. And that's just what we're talking about. How do you find that? Very, very difficult thing, very difficult thing to do. And Donald Trump, I'll tell you one quick story about Donald Trump. I was with him a year ago in his apartment in um New York City and this was like right around the week he was getting indicted for some stupid stuff with the the the the porn star and he was signing a hat to my father and this is I had done a story on the CIA exposed a CIA guy on tape who was on one of these dating apps giving away information. I'm resisting Donald Trump. I'm not giving information to the president. And he was and and Trump wanted to make a video with me about reacting to this. And I said, 'How do you deal with it? I said, 'How? I'm serious. How do you? And he goes, he's signing this hat to my dad and he goes, "I just don't care. I just don't care." I was like, "You don't care." He's like, "I don't care." Um maybe he doesn't care, but he has been able to develop a way perhaps where he just got thick skin, you know, but it's tough. It's really tough to to face these attacks. And I can be strong, right? I cannot bear false witness, right? Mhm. I can say I will not talk to you. Screw you. But my people around me have to be really really strong. Yeah. It's not everybody's job. You know, it's not it's not everybody's job. And when you go up to that position, you have to also know that your own family is not going to understand the job. You're even your voters are not going to stand understand the job. There's some decisions you have to make that's going to make 80% of people unhappy. And then you're going to be also in positions where your character is going to be tested. You're hoping that part you don't fall for. Okay. But sometimes you wonder when these guys get in another reason why they, you know, flip or change or any of that. Who's more valuable to a US government? Somebody that I have information on that I can control when I give him the job or somebody I don't have information on? I don't know if you understand the question what I'm saying. Said that again so I understand. Who is more controllable? Somebody I hire that I have information on them, some intel on them that's maybe sensitive that they wouldn't want to be public, right? Am I better off hiring somebody that I have something like that or am I better off offering job to somebody that I have no intel on them? That's an interesting question. And it depends on your style of leadership. Interesting in whether you have something on I mean people everyone has skeletons in their closet. Correct. Mhm. Maybe something we've done that we were not proud of. Would you agree with that statement? Maybe not illegal. Uh although maybe you stole something when you were a teenager, but isn't it true that we all every single one of us has something that we're not No one walks on water. Everyone sins in it. We s we and I mean I said myself included. these board members of my company were trying to leak like intimate messages between me and my girlfriend which made them look bad because everyone has an intimate life uh consensual life in your in your bad bedroom. But I I think your point is interesting. What I would say in response to that is that the yeah the the motivation the incentive for people not to have those skeletons leaked is extremely high. People will do anything to avoid being publicly shamed. And this is where this blackmail and this extortion thing comes in. My my philosophy, you want to know what I said, go ahead, make my day. Leak it. I don't care. I don't give a [ __ ] Publish everything. And they did. Evidently, they don't have much on me cuz the FBI went through every message in my phone for 5 years and all they could get was some kinky messages between me and my girlfriend. But I do think that the the what what are your what is your answer? Which of those do you think as an employer you'd focus on between those two? No, to me it it depends what type of a leader you are. Depends on what type of leader you are. It depends on what type of a leader you are because I've watched how some of our guys led their guys and some of my competitors led them. I was in a previous company and I watched how one guy let one of his comp guys who he held him hostage because every month that guy under the table was giving him cash for loans and stuff like that, mortgages and then all of a sudden the day it stopped that guy lost all his licenses. So he liked having information on his guys to hold him hostage. But deep down inside that relationship is a dark relationship and you don't have the loyalty. It's kind of like uh imagine you know Anna Nicole Smith marries that billionaire or whoever the guy was 90 some years old and he was 90 88 years old whatever his age was right she marries this guy old as hell and you think all the money in the world is going to win her love over. No, you just win her sex over. You don't win her love over. Right. Whoever this Jay Howard Marshall was that she ends up with this guy and next thing you know he dies. He's well, she's wealthy and then she dies from overdose, right? You can, you know, win someone's sex over their body over love. You can't you can't win love with money. That takes a lot of work to get someone's love, right? So I think the part with Trump which made him one of a kind is do you realize we now know about Stormmy Daniels, Karen McDougall, grab him by this. We know all of that stuff. And you know what people say? No one gives a [ __ ] No one cares. No one gives a [ __ ] Which by the way, if you remember the moment Herman Kaine 13 years ago, whatever the timeline was, he's in the bus. He's not coming out because apparently him and his wife were fighting in the bus and they found out while he was the CEO of this pizza company, he had a lover or he had a what do you call it? A mistress or something like that. Because of that, he stepped out. While Trump would come out and say, "Listen, it's my personal life. It's between me and my wife. We're moving on. What do you want to ask me?" So Trump was the guy that because he was so trained in New York to go up against these gangsters and tough guys and manipulators and media, he has been trained to get to this position. That's not everybody's job. So I think for him, he got so much moral authority today that if you cross him, the world is going to defend him. Not you. Not the world. I'm not talking mainstream media, but the people that are his supporters. So, I don't know if he needs it today. I don't know if he needs I think an average regular president that got up there, the traditional go be a lawyer and go be Congress and Senate and [ __ ] [ __ ] Yeah, that person needs a lot of that. I think from Trump's standpoint, Trump is like, "Look, if you're in, you're in. If you're not, let's go. If you're going to roll, you roll. But I don't give a [ __ ] about what mistakes you made." I mean, I know what I've done and I'm like, "Let's go." I think my my concern as an employer would be I don't know if this falls into your dichotomy but okay you have information on people will the enemy will the person allow the enemy to use that information as leverage and I'm the type of person where they may have something on me I don't care publish it but do my employees are they able to be strong enough or will the enemy come and say we have this information upon you now betray your mission well by the way guess you know what that is what that's a pure your test to find out who was loyal and who wasn't. So, it's an awesome situ. It's a tier one test. Tier one test cuz that's a real test. That's a real test. Then you're like, "Oh, so it wasn't was because it's, you know, you're just benefiting from what you were getting." I got it. Cool. It's good to know now. I got it. No problem. You know, we're good to go. You know that these moments where you're tempted to steal money, where you're tempted to do certain things, where you're tempted to go through, you know what things? We're investigating somebody right now. It's been going on for a few months. The stuff I found out yesterday of one of these guys that we've been investigating has done. You're investigating in your a former person that used to work with us. Yeah. Do you know what things we found? And but by the way, you have to hear what he used to say. All the lines. James, you're like a father figure to me crying while behind closed doors taking money and taking all this stuff. you the but these are beautiful situations because you know what happens when the investigation's over with? We're going to publicly report it to everybody here to our employees. You know why? It's the same thing we did in the insurance company. If anybody at all sold insurance doing forgery, we told everybody. We told everybody and said that guy's insurance license is lost for 10 years. He can never do insurance again. Go ahead and test it and see what happens to you. If somebody went out there did any kind of stuff that was bad, we publicized it so people wouldn't do it again. Accountability. It's a form of accountability and it's a form of awareness. It's like, you know, you ever seen the the the mom or the dad is trying to feed the kid and the kid is not eating and he puts it in the dog the doll's mouth and then goes to the kid, goes this way, goes this way and this guy's down there, bam, hits the face of the little doll and then goes, put the food him out. It's a form of don't make this effing mistake, right? Which is what our FBI is not doing. Which is what our FBI is not doing. Yeah. So that's the part where some people are not happy with us not seeing the accountability that we were promised. Correct. But I would say people are enraged about this. I would say they are. I would say the part that they're the they're uh what's the word? Battling with battling with is look, there's so many great things that happened, but I really wanted to know what's going on over here. So do I compromise these two things that I really wanted to know? Because what are you doing to these kids and innocent kids? These are someone's daughter. They're someone's granddaughter. They're someone's sister. Are we not going to find this out? Are we just going to go hush hush to this side? I I to this group that voted specifically to find out what's going on with Epstein and the kids. They're not the type that going to forget about it. Nope. They're they're the type that's going to keep bringing it up until you either reveal or you have to deal with it. We're going to keep We're five years in. People are still enraged. Yeah. I don't think that's going to change. Um any any other items right now that is going on where for you politically with what's going on with White House right now or politically for you you're a little bit confused with well um with with the Tell me what you mean by that the White House some of the decisions you know there's a lot of good there's a lot of victories right now you're seeing a lot of victories you're seeing the big big beautiful bill you're seeing you know Russia Putin Trump talking you're seeing China you're seeing tariffs before we move on from from the Epstein thing real quick if we could go to this. This is present day. This is the John Dailyaly uh uh clip with Prince Andrew, the guy on undercover camera. Didn't you cover this on your show? Yeah, we did. Oh, you did? Oh, okay. You guys covered this. Yeah. This is This is the uh him basically saying he was he didn't like the fact that Prince Andrew, the brother of the late uh I mean of not the late of the king, was having sex with underage girls and he didn't like it. Yeah. This is this is someone who's quite, you know, loyal and a confidant to Prince Andrew. I got a lot of heat for this, too, because people say this doesn't this doesn't prove anything. And I I think one of the challenges here is that you're confirming suspicions. You're you're getting them on video admitting it. He's having sex with underage girls. Then and then this guy goes on Piers Morgan. I don't know if your I just think it's hilarious. I don't if your producer could find that clip, but and then he says, "I think O'Keeffe's great. this girl that he said, "Man, she was beautiful." No shame. And what did you think about what you said? I I regret saying it. I regret being just He admits he admits that he was giving you credit for the girl. And credit to Piers Morgan for grilling him. I mean, grilling him. I was actually shocked that that uh it's might be hard to find this clip, but Piers Morgan was just grilling him. So that's that's um I I've been I've been I honest to Pat I've been so heads down in my reporting. I mean heads down on on this Epstein reporting I have not you know I have not followed everything on the news right now in the world. So let me ask make the second request. So my first request was Fouchi. My second request is Diddy. Have you at all thought about doing anything with Diddy or you guys haven't focused on that one yet? I think these are great ideas. No, no, I think I think there's there's I I I am and I should and I will and I did get some sources with Diddy a year or two ago, but I think your idea Let me ask you a better question. What is the thing that needs to be exposed? What if exposed would change things? That's helpful to me. Yeah. I mean, if you think about, okay, so if you want to be part of something legendary, I'm talking legendary is in the 70s, '60s, ' 50s, 40s, 30s, Jay at Ghouver, all these guys when the FBI first started with him, there is no such thing as a, you know, Italian, the the crime family that doesn't exist, right? Organized crime family doesn't exist. All right. Now they know he had they had intel on him with the crossdressing stuff but in the 80s Giuliani was able to bring down the mob with the help of the RICO law by this professor from Rutgers that all of a sudden we saw couple hundred mob bosses under bosses consiliary handcuffed walking out getting arrested. That was unfreakingbelievable. Right. It was something that everybody around the world heard about the news. Okay. Them being perp walked. Of course, if you James, if you want something that is revolutionary, a breakthrough, revolutionary breakthrough, it's Diddy because he's alive. The people are alive. With Epstein, you know, Epstein is is Yeah. But if you get something from Leon Black, Rob, is Leon Black still alive? I believe so. If you go get something from Leon Black, which I don't know if you pursued or not. Yes. 73 years old. Okay. Leon Black is the one that apparently paid Epste $150 million in consulting fees. Still alive for tax purposes. Rod, can you can you type in tax purposes or tax uh Epstein? Just type tax Epstein. So right there, Leon Black gave $170 million to Epstein for uh uh uh click on a rep so we can read the story. So Leon Black, according to US Senate Finance, he transfers $170 million to Epstein's accounts. And when they ask him why you did that, he said he paid the accused sex trafficker for tax advice. This is the most expensive tax advice anyone's ever given in the history of mankind. Leon Black, the billionaire finance and former CEO of Apollo Global Management transferred $170 million to the Epson covers for the course of five years. US Senator Ron Widen said in a letter that US justice and Treasury Department this week, not $158 million as previously reported and investigation commissioned by Apollo's board appear to have missed $12 million in transfer which were discovered by investigators working with the US. So Leon Black, some of these guys are around. Okay, some of them are around on what Epstein did. But with Diddy, you're talking about Epstein. You're talking about Diddy, Hollywood, sports, you're talking about, you know, producers, talent agencies, producers, countries. I mean, Diddy's is and it's going on right now. So if you did something while the hearing is going on, it's like you finding out something while OJ Simpson's thing's going on, right? And you leak leak something during the entire investigation. It's like you doing something and you drop it during Johnny Depp and Amber Herd, you know, but Diddy to me is the comparable of an OJ Simpson. And what do you think the thing if caught on video that would change thing? I can't I mean I I'd love to see people perp walk. I don't have the power to arrest, but what is the thing that needs to be on video in your mind? in your Oh, it's very easy for me. Tell me. It's very easy. It's a gay sex with, you know, men that, you know, play straight. I see. And that is released. In other words, these men have internal conflicts and they're blackmailed over this. Oh, and I think those video footages, believe it or not, I believe exist in different people's phones because I think these guys are so diddy thought he was so untouchable that no one was ever going to lose and they would airdrop a video to each other like iPhone iOS just I I am willing to bet that in some kind of a folder it's sitting there with these footages, you know, that people save that's got a specific code that the video is all the way in and say, "Watch what I have with what we did here and here and there." I think that too and also the the so-called blackmail. How do you how do you think it it it it actually works? Like what is the conversation like in your mind in your imagination? I'm just curious you guys because that helps me as an investigative understand what I'm trying to to catch. How do I think Diddy's model works? Correct. What's your hypothesis? I mean it's it's very simple. You come to the house, you party, you have one of the girls that locks on to one of the guys who's one of your workers. They go upstairs, there's 17 cameras in there. He says, "Hey, man. Can I get a room?" "Yeah, bro. Just go use my room." Goes to the room, leaves, she's 17, she's 15. Or there's a guy in there and I record it. I have it. And the next I say, "Hey, I just want to let you know here's what I got." It's very simple. Moving forward, anything I ask from you, I need you to do. That's the thing that needs to be on video. Yes. You what you just said. Yeah. That would change everything in my opinion. I think that would be in text, not in video. You know, in a text message. I think it would be in text messages, but I think that video, well, he's dumb enough to say it. He's dumb enough to say stuff like that. He's capable of saying stuff like that, but you might have hearsay. In other words, and this is what happened with Prince Andrew. Another guy close to him said that this is what happened. Which is still powerful. Well, those guys are out there. The gene deals, the security, those guys have come out. They've done their part. There's a lot of people that have said stuff like that, like Suge Knight talking about his link to Clive Davis and all this other stuff. That stuff is coming out, but if you can get him tied to a few other people, I think this will be the biggest story you'll break. I I'm working on this and I will work on this. Okay. Especially with some of the stuff that was dropped this week, some of the ecstasy pills and with Obama's face on Yeah. Some some this some very very weird stuff going on here, James. Oh, and there's a I mean, just just with Obama and Yeah. Obama cuz he was hung out with him a lot. He was at the Barack the Vote thing at his house hanging out, partying, and then you have videos of like Christy Teen with John Legend and and they asked Christy Tegan, "Where's the craziest place you've had sex in public?" And she goes, "Um, there was that Obama thing and John Legend's face looks like he saw a ghost. He looks like he saw a freaking ghost." Did you see that, Pat? Yeah, of course. Okay. Of course, Robbie. Yeah, I sent it to you in the Slack. But, um, I I just think, you know, the the the part with what world we're living in today. We're living in a world today where we we're not sure the US government is going to is going to drop these stories because these are stories you can use to get intel. I mean this is I I I commit to you that I will do this and I usually do get the stories. Sometimes it takes me a little longer than I'd like. But this is also very dangerous. Wouldn't you admit to do these stories? Well, you you subscribed to this lifestyle. I I certainly did. I remember you said about a year ago you said James O'Keefe has chosen a tough life and it was a very I think it was a more pro profound statement than even you intended not tough in the way that most people usually they use the courts against me legal lawyers that's a whole other conversation but this is very dangerous and um the people that have come before me like the uh what's the movie to kill a to kill a messenger with um about a a reporter in California who reported on the CIA A and the drug drugs and the CIA and they were given and he committed suicide. I think he shot himself in the head twice by the way. Oh yeah. This this guy who was based upon um Gary Webb to kill a messenger. And there's a this are the reporters that came before me. Gary Webb managed to shoot himself in the head twice. That's a really impressive thing to do. Holy moly. You'd think the gun would fall out of your hand the first time. You would think. Um, yeah, he did some stories on on uh on the CIA. It was a great movie and Gary Webb has an remarkable quote, an incredible quote that I would like to read on the air in front of all of you. And it's from this book that was written called To Kill a Messenger. And I'm going to paraphrase because I can't pull it up, but it's um Gary Webb says um you know, I was winning I'm going to paraphrase it. I was winning awards. I was getting accolades. I was giving speeches. I won the Pulit surprise. And then I broke some stories. He's talking about the one about the CIA that made me realize how misplaced my bliss had been. I I I started messing with with the wrong people. And and I and I and I began to realize I had mis I misplaced my value and what I actually valued. I'm I'm butchering the quote, but it's a profound quote. and then he committed suicide. So my point to you is that this is very dangerous, man. No, the job you've chosen, it's tough because if you Okay, here's the next part. If you have a lot of friends in high places, James, you're not doing your job right. That's correct. But you need Do you know what everyone says in the conservative movement? Do you know Cash? Do you know Pam? Do you know this guy? It's all about rubbing elbows and people doing favors. I don't do that for a living. No, that's that's not u that's not the the the profile of this job. No, the profile of this job is exactly what you're doing and it's not for everybody. It's just not for everybody because you're not a popular cool person. You're you for you to keep the T-word for as long as possible, you can't have a lot of friends. And you know what the T word is? The trust. Trust. Yeah. To keep trust, you can't have a lot of friends at high places. At high places. That's right. It's a tough thing as a journalist to navigate the relationship between what I call autonomy and access. There's a tension in journalism because on one hand, you have to protect your sources and on the other hand, you have to investigate. And it's very difficult. That's a very it's an art form. Yeah. It's an ethical line. At what point do I I'm going to burn this. In business, you call it burning bridges. In journalism, you burn bridges every day. You you report on powerful people. So, it's very tough. Well, Jake Tapper, look at what happened with Jake Tapper, right? Like with all the stuff that he's going through right now. Okay. Why is he losing respect from other journalists because we all knew what he's now reporting like he's acting like it's news? He's acting like it's news. James, question before we finish it up here because we got a few minutes here left. Yes. So uh uh uh in your opinion, you spent a lot of time with Breitbart. What happened to him? You mean like how did he die? Yeah. What happened to him? The timing of it is very strange. I don't I don't have any inside information. I know I know his wife would always say to me, "Don't tell people that he was killed." Andrew had a heart condition. He had an enlarged heart, I believe. And the doctor said, "You got to, you know, you got to stop, you know, you know, eating all this steak and drinking all this wine. You have to stop traveling." And I think he just truly pushed himself. That's my belief. I don't have I would share with the audience if I had any evidence of foul play. All I have is circumstantial evidence. I have no direct evidence. He dropped out of a heart attack at 43. This was March 1st, 2012. I was 27. He was my mentor. Did you ever meet him? Never. Andrew was a remarkable man. He he edited the Drudge Report at the time. He would tweet like a thousand times a day. He was filled with righteous indignation. This is a different world 12 years ago. The media was different. You could like engage with Legacy Media. You could tweet back and forth. You could have conversations and and he was a mentor of mine. He was we were very different people. He was more of an extrovert. I was at the time much more introverted. Um but but he had a way about him. He was a warrior and that's what we shared in common. I I think what I would characterize myself, I'm a journalist. I'm also a warrior. I'm at war all the time, constantly. And he was too. But it aged him. Like I'm now 40 years old. He died at 43. And he in the last few years of his life, he just seemed to age. And he and he took things personally. and he was, you know, angry and furious and righteous and indignant and tweeting every tweet at the reporter and holding them accountable. It was it was I've never met anyone like him. I still haven't met anyone like him, but I don't unfort I don't have any, you know, information about his death other than I know he had a heart condition. That's all I can say. And and it was kind of I mean the uh and God rest us all because I mean I was a huge fan and that James that's how I found out about you. It was just weird that he was on stage claiming that he had tapes on Obama. He would call him a radical. I remember uh another time camera in his face uh some reporters holding he's yelling at the guy's recorder and he's saying we we're coming after you John Podesta. We're coming after you big Soros. There's this moment there's this moment um where Andrew Breitbart is talking to Dave Wigel. I I know this well and and this is really this is this is a perfect perfect story. Yeah. And the reporter reporter's got his little pencil and paper. Yeah, I don't know if they do that anymore, but pencil writing down and Andrew goes and Andrew is talking to the reporter and he and he screams into the reporter notebook, "Fuck you, John Podesta." Like he's only Andrew Breitbart. He's talking to the reporter notebook, not to the guy, but to the masses the reporter is writing to. That is a quintessential Andrew Breitbart moment. And I understand him because I'm I am similar in that particular way. He was righteously indignant taking on this mainstream media. That's it. Watch this. Yeah, watch this. Concerted effort politics of personal destruction. [ __ ] you, John Podesta. Watch big soros. Look. Watch this. Watch this. Yeah. When I when I talk, that's because I'm interested in whatever the hell they're doing. What's in your closet, John Podesta? He's talking to the reporter notebook. Big Podesta. Big Soros. Do you want us to play these games? because we're playing to win. This is Andrew Breitbart, dude. And then and then think about it. Uh James, he has this attitude. I love the righteous indignation. I read the book. The guy's like you said, he was going 100 miles an hour because he's just he has the same You guys weren't the same, James, but you the the message and and getting the truth out there. No, we spoke. I mean, Andrew, we him and I this man you just saw him and I spoke 10 times a day. I mean, he was constantly talking to me and and then he died and I was alone. I I found the quote. I need to read this on the air. Please. quote, "This is the the the CI the investigative reporter who exposed drug trafficking when the CIA and getting drugs in America, Gary Webb." I was winning awards, getting raises, lecturing college classes, appearing on TV shows, and judging journalism contests. I won the Puliter Prize. And then I wrote some stories that made me realize how sadly misplaced my bliss had been. The reason I'd enjoyed such smooth sailing in my career for so long hadn't been, as I'd assumed, because I was careful and diligent and good at my job. The truth was that in all those years, I hadn't written anything important enough to suppress. Wow. Gary Webb to kill a messenger shot himself in the head twice. everything everyone that has come before me and who extreme truth tellers have been like you think look at even historically like on a much larger scale they've been assassinated JFK that's why that's why the Bribard story is different if you and I understand your respect for the wife and and I'm sure she's sick and tired of hearing all this stuff because she just wants to move on so you can take that position but Rob if you can pull that thing up it's a little weird when you read about it and you see stuff about um you know Let me see this. So, this is the corner, right Pat? Yeah. So, you got Michael Cormier, a forensic technician with LA County Office, died on April 20th, 2012, the same day Breard autopsy results were released. Cormier was compl had complained of severe stomach pain and vomiting before being hospitalized where he later died. Initial reports indicate that uh arsenic poisoning was a possible cause of death and LA department did not immediately rule out foul play. What are the odds? Little weird. What are the odds that the day that that's a little suspicious? that little the proximity of Cormier's dead to the release of Bribart's autopsy report led to online speculation about a possible connection between the two deaths. Uh uh however official clarified that Cormier was not involved in Bribart's autopsy. Deputy Sheriff Cor Edin understand that Cormier had nothing to do with the autopsy or the investigation. As of now, no def definitive public finding has been released regarding the cause of Cormier's death and no official connection has been established between his death and that of Andrew Brybart. What if you had to say the odds, Pat? What are the odds that because some people were saying that he ran out, Andrew ran out and turned a completely different color as if he was choking on something that when the autopsy of him comes out, a guy in that same uh LA coroner's office dies of arsenic poisoning. He didn't get hit by a car. He didn't fall off of a bridge. He's died. Somebody poisoned him. Yeah. problem and I this is Pat this is extremely suspicious and um God willing the if if anyone has proof if there's someone in the hospital if there's someone with knowledge of this I'd love to report the problem is I I walk a fine line too because if I come out and make a statement that I can't prove then I lose credibility so I have to be careful but I hear what you're saying this is incredibly suspicious um and I I don't I don't even know what to say about it except I hope that it's 13 years later here so yeah exactly we're still talking about JFK and who shot JFK. Yeah. But the but the point but the the point here is the reason why I've never talked about Bribarts and how he I've never ever talked about it on any podcast ever. This the first time. I don't know how many hundreds of interviews we've done. We've never brought it up. The only reason we bring it up is because to me he was a true believer. I think you're a true believer. And I think there's a handful of guys that are true believers. Not mainstream cuz you can't be mainstream. You have to compromise to be mainstream. Correct. And you know, for you to go work for any of the big platforms, pick any one of them, you would have to compromise. And I don't think you're going to be doing that. So for guys like that, you need additional protection to be aware. You know, it's like the other day uh uh Trump was in Saudi and they offer him a drink and he just keeps holding it like this. I don't know if you saw that. He's just keeping holding a drink like this. He's going to hold a drink like that. Hold drink like this. So, I think for a guy like you as you're going through everything that you're doing with your circle, with your community, with people that maybe, you know, uh Yeah. Is this the one? Look at this one here. It's classic. What are you going to do with this? He's not drinking a dick. So, NBS drank it, but he's not drinking it. He's just hanging on to it. It's like, oh, it's great. It's awesome. Looked down at it. Yeah. Just give him the respect, but he's not going to drink it. And and one more reporter, Michael Hastings, died in a fiery car crash. He reported on Stanley Mcrist. So, I'm well aware of the dangers, but you know, I people I I mean, what do you really want to know? Am I afraid to die? Um, not really. I've lived a good life. I believe in what I'm doing. And I there I'm also a spiritual person. I I believe in God. I, you know, there's that saying, you know, no weapon formed against me shall prosper. It's in Isaiah. I I genuinely believe I I wear it around my neck. Border Patrol agent gave to me. I rode the train of death in Mexico. I should have died. I didn't, you know. So, I I believe in what I'm doing and and and um maybe I'll be the one that got away. That's all I can say. Great. And gang, uh as you're watching this, do yourself a favor and go watch the podcast. We're going to put the link below, Rob. Let's make sure we do that. Not the podcast, the documentary, the movie that just came out. Uh uh uh the truth inside Veraritoss part one. It's 54 minutes. It's going to feel like five minutes to you because that's exactly how I felt when I watch it. Went like this. Boom. And I'm like, "Wow, intense." The energy is going to be high from the beginning to the very end. I really enjoyed watching it. James, great having you back on. Appreciate you for coming down. Thank you. Anytime. Take care everybody. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Hello everyone. I'm James O'Keefe. 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