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Michio Kaku outlines a transformative future for brain-computer interfaces, beginning with breakthroughs in recording and transmitting memories. He notes that scientists are already capable of recording simple memories from mice and sending them over the internet, with plans to eventually achieve this in primates at institutions like Wake Forest University and Los Angeles. A significant near-term application highlighted is a memory chip designed for Alzheimer's patients; currently, these individuals often wander aimlessly due to lost short-term memory, creating safety hazards. Kaku envisions a device where users can press a button to flood their hippocampus with stored memories of who they are, where they live, and other critical personal data, effectively restoring orientation and identity. The concept extends beyond individual therapy into the realm of global communication through what Kaku terms "brain net." This technology would allow humans to transmit emotions, feelings, sensations, and even images directly over the internet, enabling telepathic communication between people. He draws a historical parallel to the transition from silent films to talkies in Hollywood; just as Charlie Chaplin lost his relevance when sound was introduced because he did not speak on screen, Kaku predicts that traditional movies based solely on visual images and audio will be replaced by brain net experiences. In this future scenario, entertainment industries relying purely on screens with moving pictures may face obsolescence as audiences seek the deeper immersion of shared neural sensations. Kaku argues that these advancements would profoundly alter human relationships by deepening empathy rather than diminishing it. He points out that for over 90% of human history, individuals interacted only within small tribes of roughly fifty to one hundred people, a scope that expanded slightly with towns and significantly more so with the telephone and internet connecting billions globally. By adding the ability to share sensations telepathically, this progression would further strengthen connections between fellow humans. Contrary to the common scientific view that technology is merely a neutral tool or a double-edged sword capable of cutting both ways against people and ignorance alike, Kaku insists that technology possesses an inherent moral direction. He believes it naturally spreads knowledge and awareness, which empowers individuals to reject oppressive systems like dictatorships in favor of freedom. This moral trajectory leads to his conclusion regarding global conflict and the nature of war throughout history. By listing every major war since elementary school education began, Kaku observes that all conflicts were fought between kings, queens, emperors, dictators, or authoritarian regimes, never between two established democracies. He posits that as brain net accelerates the spread of knowledge and democratic values through direct neural connection, wars will become less frequent and far less intense. While he acknowledges that politics by other means might still result in conflict, the ultimate direction of this technological evolution is toward a world where shared understanding reduces hostility between nations, fostering a more peaceful civilization based on data-driven insights into human nature.
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how promising in the near term in your view is brain machine interfaces those starting to allow computers to talk directly to the brains Elon Musk is working on that with neural link and there's other companies working on this idea do you see promise there do you see hope for near-term impact well every technology has pluses and minuses already we can record memories I have a book the future of the mind or eye details some of these breakthroughs we can now record simple memories of mice and send these memories on the Internet eventually we're going to do this with primates at Wake Forest University and also in Los Angeles and then after that we'll have a memory chip for Alzheimer's patients well test it out in alzheimerís patients because of course when Alzheimer is patients lose their memory they wander they create all sorts of havoc wandering around oblivious to their surroundings and they'll have a chip they'll push the button and memories memories will come flooding into their hippocampus and the chip telling them where they live and who they are and so a memory chip is definitely in the cards and I think this will eventually affect human civilization what is the future of the Internet the future of the Internet is brain net brain net is when we send emotions feelings sensations on the internet and we will telepathically communicate with other humans this way this is going to affect everything look at entertainment remember the silent movies Charlie Chaplin was very famous during the era silent movies but when the talkies came in nobody wanted to see Charlie Chaplin anymore because he never talked in the movies and so a whole generation of actors lost their job and a new series of actors came in next we're gonna have the movies replaced by rain net because in the future people will say who wants to see a screen with images that's it sound an image that's called the movies our entertainment industry this multi-billion dollar industry is based on screens with moving images and sound but what happens when emotions feelings sensations memories can be conveyed on the Internet it's going to change everything human relations will change because you'll be able to empathize and feel the suffering of other people will be able to communicate telepathically and this is this is coming you describe brain that in future of the mind this is an interesting concept do you think so you mentioned entertainment but what kind of effect would it have on our personal relationships hopefully it will deepen it you realize that for most of human history for over 90% of human history we only knew maybe 20 a hundred people that's it folks that was your tribe that was everybody you knew in the universe was only maybe 50 or a hundred with the coming of towns of course it expanded to a few thousand with the coming of the telephone all of a sudden you could reach thousands of people with the telephone and now with the internet you can reach the entire population of the planet Earth and so I think this is a normal progression and you you think that kind of sort of connection to the rest of the world and then adding sensations like being able to share telepathically emotions and so on that would just further deepen our connection to our fellow humans yes right in fact I disagree with many scientists on this question most scientists would say that technology is neutral a double-edged sword one sword one side of the sword can cut against people the other side of the sword can cut against ignorance and disease I disagree I think technology does have a moral direction look at the internet the internet spreads knowledge awareness and that creates empowerment people act on knowledge when they begin to realize that they don't have to live that way they don't have to suffer under a dictator that there are other ways of living under freedom then they begin to take things take power and that spreads democracy and democracies do not war with other democracies I'm a scientist I believe in data so let's take a sheet of paper and write down every single war you had to learn since you were an elementary school every single war hundreds of them kings queens emperors dictators all these wars were between kings queens emperors and dictators never between two major democracies and so I think with the spread of this technology and which would accelerate with the coming of brain net it means that well we will still have wars wars of course as politics by other means but they'll be less intense and less frequent you