“Epstein’s Black Book Is REAL” - Epstein’s DARK Ties To Billionaires, Elites & Intel - Nick Bryant

I wrote a book called The Franklin Scandal, a story of power brokers, child abuse, and betrayal. And Epstein, in many ways, is a carbon copy of the Franklin Scandal. >> But for whatever reason, this topic makes people on both sides very uncomfortable. >> The 1980s, Lawrence King of Omaha ran a child trafficking network with Craig Spence of Washington DC. They would get a lot of kids from the orphanage, Boytown, and then they'd fly him to DC. And at DC, there was Craig Spence's party house that was wired for audio visual blind. You're saying there was ties with the CIA to the Franklin scandals. I've heard you talk about Bush. I've heard you talk about Warren Buffett's wife. Who were some of those names? He circled. Billionaire Glenn Dubin, Alan Derseritz, Leslie Wexler, Gla Maxwell, John McBrell. [Music] 30 seconds. >> Did you ever think you would make it? I feel so taste sweet. >> Adam, what's your point? >> The future looks bright. >> My handshake is better than anything I ever signed right here. >> You are one of my [Music] >> Nick Brian. Great to have you on. >> Great to be with you. Yes, I was telling you earlier it's not as if uh the Epstein topic is going uh you know trending right now as if people are interested in what's going on there. The press conference on the third you were telling me about that's coming up. But for some of the people when you talk about Epstein the guys that they're the guys that follow the stories where they maybe watch a couple documentaries, they watch a couple YouTube videos. Then there's those guys that know the names of you know Whitney Webb and all the and then there's the guys that know who the OG is that started all of this. You kind of start a lot of this stuff. So, if you don't mind taking a minute, share your background with the audience so they know who you are and what you've done. >> I got it rolling. Uh, I wrote a book called The Franklin Scandal, a story of Power Brokers, Child Abuse, and Betrayal. And Epstein, it's about a child trafficking network. And Epstein in many ways is a carbon copy of the Franklin Scandal. >> And I started doing research on the Franklin Scandal in 2002. And then the book I spent seven years on it. It was published 2009 2010. And at that point, I was pretty exhausted. When you go as deep into a child trafficking network as I went, I mean, I interviewed like a black male photographer and u a lot of other and and found lots of victims and interviewed them and it was >> this is the story of Lawrence King, right? >> Yes. Yes. Lawrence King, >> which is a horrible horrible story. >> Great expense. Yes. And so I spent seven years on that and then the book came out and no one wanted to touch it. I mean I and I live in New York City. I live in the epicenter the the mecca of media and I have a had a lot of friends in the media and I thought well you I know so many people in the media that certainly they're going to help me and I was only helped by one person which which kind of surprised me. Maliki McCort. He's a fairly famous author and and Maliki and I were pretty good buddies and he was the only one that really tried to help me and and then it and then it just kind of withered and I I mean I was on some podcast with crazy people talking about the Illuminati and shape-shifting reptilians and things like that. It was very um demoralizing at that point to spend that much time. >> Why do you think why do you think they didn't have interest? And by the way, for maybe the average person that doesn't know about the Franklin cover up, the the community federal credit union and Lawrence King, maybe maybe share that story a little bit because it is a very controversial story. Well, in the 1980s, Lawrence King of Omaha ran a child trafficking network with Craig Spence of Washington DC. And they would fly kids mostly from Omaha. They would get a lot of kids from the orphanage Boytown and then they'd fly them to DC. And at DC, there was Craig Spence's party house that was wired for audiovisisual blackmail. And if someone decided to partake of any illicit goods at Spence's home, they would they would be blackmailed. And Spence was a CI asset. all his uh I I wrote a second book called Confessions of a DC Man: The Politics of Sex, Lies and Blackmail about a guy who ran a gay escort service and he let and Spence used his escorts to compromise closeted politicians. So, I've written two books that pertain to Craig Spence, and there was a a Nebraska Senate subcommittee that tried to get to the bottom of what was happening, but they were rolled over by federal firepower, much like what we've seen with Ebstein with corrupt grand juries and um the Department of Justice being corrupt. So ultimately what happened there was these grand juries, there were two grand juries and I don't know if you're audience is familiar with how grand juries work because this will also come up with Ebstein. A special prosecutor is chosen to oversee a grand jury and he or she presents evidence to the grand jurors that he or she deems important and also calls the witnesses. So whatever a special pro and grand jurors are just citizens that have shown up for jury duty and they've been filed to a grand jury. When we hear the term grand jury, we think like the gods of juristprudence have spoken for Mount Olympus, but actually grand jurors are just citizens that have been filed to a grand jury. And the the special prosecutor has so much sway over the grand jurors that there's a famous quip from a a New York Supreme Court judge that says special prosecutors could get grand jurors to indict a ham sandwich. And that's what happened with the Franklin. That's what happened with the Franklin grand juries. And that's also what happened with the Epstein grand jury. Except with the Franklin grand juries, the kids that wouldn't recant, the FBI got came in and got most of the kids to recant. The kids that wouldn't recant, there were two of them, were uh indicted for perjury. Um Paul Benasi was indicted on three counts of perjury. He was looking at 60 years. Alicia Owen was indicted on eight counts of perjury from a state grand jury and eight counts of perjury from a federal grand jury. >> And she was looking at 200 years and she still refused to recant. Actually, both of them refused to recant. And Alicia was g was fed to a kangaroo court. And now here's the kid that came forward when she's 20 years old. They gave her 9 to 15 years in prison for perjury. And then the authorities really tried to destroy her. They put her in solitary confinement for two years, nearly two years to be punitive. And actually what's amazing is Alicia is somehow survived it and is flourishing in life which >> is she still openly talking about it or she's kind of moved on and doesn't want to talk about it? >> Well, actually I started a nonprofit 501c3 called Epstein Justice and we're seeking we want two simple things. We want to know why the government is covering up child abuse. If you cover up a crime, you're aiding abetting that crime. So we want to know why the government is embedding child abuse and we >> she's the one right there. Alicia one >> that is Alicia and we want the perpetrators to be prosecuted and Alicia is an associate director of Epstein justice. >> Wow. So now to give a little bit of context on the uh uh Franklin coverup. So Lawrence King is coming up in a Republican party. He's a superstar. He sang at the 1984 and 888 RNC. >> 1984. 1984. Yeah. He's saying so, you know, people are looking at this guy as a superstar. You know, potentially, who knows what's going to happen with him. >> And then there's the the 30 $40 million scam, which he goes away for the money, but nothing related to the events that were taking place with underage kids and, you know, the sex and all the stuff that's that that's the scandal that was happening with this, right? Could you give a little bit more context about the story of Franklin Coverup? Well, Lawrence King ran the Franklin Credit Union in Omaha, Nebraska. And he used that as a front for his child trafficking network, and what happened was he was able to stave off federal audits for a number of years, I I think four, and then he was audited, and he came up $40 million short. So, a Nebraska subcommittee formed to look at his looting of the Franklin Credit Union because he hadn't been audited in a while. But then when they started to form, people in social services came to them and they said, "King is running a nationwide pedophile network." And they had had various reports about King running a nationwide pedophile network. So then the subcommittee started to look at those allegations too. And they had an amazing investigator. His name was Gary Keridori and he found a number of victims. Actually, I had his records and he had a list of 60 victims and that was my job was to find these victims and get them to talk when I wrote the Franklin scale. And a lot of the victims don't really use social security numbers. They're marginalized. They've come from lower socioeconomic dysfunctional backgrounds. They've been molested repeatedly and drugs was always the carrot for most of them. So they were given drugs and then at a certain point they had lost their youthful marketability and then they were just expuned by the network. And so ultimately what you have there is a very dysfunctional individual that's going to go on to commit crimes and thereby compromise their own credibility. And we saw a lot of that. And I was able to find a number of victims and get them to talk to me. And that was tough because some of them didn't want to talk and some of them it took me a while to get them to talk and then some of them really wanted to talk. But I went deep deep deep into this network. Like I said, I I even got to it like a blackmail photographer. And um I was very very disillusioned by what happened with the Franklin, ironically the Franklin selling really well today, but it was not selling at all when it was published. and and people thought when I would tell them there's this nationwide pedophile network that is for very powerful people that's connected to the CIA, people just didn't want to hear that at that point. And I would be pitching editors and publishers and I'd be looking straight at them and then I would tell them about this story and I could see the cognitive dissonance occur before my very eyes. They would think to themselves, "This is really a horrible story." >> You're saying there was ties with the CIA to the Franklin scandal because I've heard you talk about >> Bush. I've heard you talk about Warren Buffett's wife was working at that credit union. >> She provided money. >> She provided money credit. >> So, what what is the ties to CIA and and Buffett? Um, I I didn't find any ties to CI and Buffett, but there's definitely CIA to Craig Spence, and he was definitely a CIA asset. And he was the the second pimp who was in Washington DC. And I managed to acquire like 200 flight logs like with Ebstein with with the Franklin Scout and most of them went to Washington DC and that's where the party house was. And Craig Spence uh was a uh powerhouse lobbyist DC uh somebody that a lot of the folks in DC respected. So it wasn't like he was a lightweight guy. Yeah. Right there. Spence registered with a US state department as a foreign agent for Japan and began lobbying for Japanese interest. So he's got a very interesting background with both King and Spence. Now this is my surmise. Both King and Spence came from relatively lower socioeconomic backgrounds. And King was sent to Thailand during the Vietnam War and given top security clearances. And Spence was also in Southeast Asia reporting as an ABC reporter. And now they both had kind of mediocre careers prior to Southeast Asia, but after Southeast Asia, it's like they come back to the US and like their their careers just rocket. And my surmise on this is that King and Spence were I mean they were they're ineterate pedophiles that King and Spence were probably busted molesting kids in Southeast Asia and then at that point they were turned by some dark malignant corner of our government that that deploy perpetrates things like Franklin also perpetrates things like Epstein. >> Yeah. and he he he was apparently giving late night white house tours to boys and taking him in there and some some very dark stuff and I think this guy ended up dying from suicide of the uh what what I don't know what whether it was alcohol or drug he committed suicide in wake of Washington Times expose on his involvement with a prostitution ring and blackmail. Yeah. So dark guy on what he ended up doing. >> Well, his suicide was kind of interesting. He was at the Ritz Carlton dressed up in a tuxedo and he took an overdose I believe of nrivilene the anti-depressant but he had a number of notes that were scrolled out and then he had a newspaper article that was found right next to him and it was about CIA assets or agents that were forced to testify and uh because there was a a grand jury that was gunning for him at that point. I don't know that grand jury is very corrupt. I don't know. But I think that with Craig Spence, Craig Spence was a lot like Jeffrey Epstein. >> Was Craig Spence more like Jeffrey Epstein or Lawrence King? >> I would say that Craig Spence was more >> in what ways? >> He had the connections. He had the power. Um, I would say that King was or Galain Maxwell was analogous to Larry King. As far as Golain Maxwell built the machine that enabled Jeffrey Epstein to get kids and Lawrence King built the machine that enabled Craig Spence to get kids. >> Is there a link between Greg Craig Spence and Epstein? Did they ever meet each other or No. >> No. What's interesting about there's one link that I know of. William Bar was the attorney general under Bush one that covered up Franklin and then he was also the attorney general under Trump first administration and he covered up Ebstein. So William Bar is a coverup guy and he's been with the CIA forever and it's even on his Wikipedia page that he was in the CIA at a very young age. >> No, I mean you see uh didn't he and Epstein actually go to school together or they were at a summer camp together? There was some kind of a picture from them when they were kids >> there. Okay, so I was given a picture of Jeffrey Epstein at Interlockan summer camp, >> right? And I was given a picture of someone that looked exactly like Donald Bar who was also attending Interlockan summer camp. >> Did it end up being him or No. >> Um the my source said it was but then Interlockan said it wasn't. >> This picture right here. >> Yes, that's the picture. Now that looks a lot like William Bar. But my source says it was and Interlockan says it wasn't. So that's a wash. I >> Okay. So, outside of the fact that the cover up is tied to one name, which is bar that kind of worked on both cases together, there is no other direct affiliation or connection with not even just Lane to her father, Robert Maxwell that's tied to Craig Spence. There's no ties. >> I haven't found any. No. >> Okay. All right. So, let's bring it up to today with Epstein. You know, these stories have become uh more and more. You have the Diddy scandal that just got finalized. You got the Epstein one that's going up that they have a press conference on September 3rd. You have the recording that was dropped, the six hours of recording that was dropped, the interview that they did with uh is it Todd Blanch, I'm going to say his name correctly. Todd Blanch spent six hours with Jazlain Maxwell. And this is July 24th or 25th. That was just dropped a few days ago. Uh, have you had a chance to listen to the recording and see what was said? Was there any new things you heard in there that you hadn't known before? >> Well, this is kind of interesting because someone called me before it came out and said, "We're going to get it and we want you to read it." But the Department of Justice reneged and so I had to read it and when it came out with >> the person I called you, I don't need names, but the person I called you, are they in right now? Are they working for the government right now? Are they an outsider? They're an outsider with a lot of Jews. >> Somebody we would know or not somebody we would know this person. >> Yeah, you would know. >> Okay. So, this person has a connection with the insider that they wanted to give that to you, but they didn't. >> Well, they the transcripts were going to be given to him and he wanted me to read them >> to see because he knows about my expertise in this area. So, but they reig the Department of Justice. It's like with everything the Department of Justice does with Jeffrey Epstein, it renegs on his promises. >> Why do you think they did that? What's your speculation? >> I have no idea. I have no idea why they reneged in in this particular instance. I I don't know. >> Did you have a chance to go through it and hear what things she had to say? >> Well, I did. I mean, there wasn't really a lot. >> Yeah, I didn't hear anything. I mean, she exonerated Donald Trump and actually she had told a former CBS 60 Minutes producer that Epstein had blackmail material on both Clinton and Trump, but in this I mean it wouldn't be difficult. There would be a lot of uh it would be very advantageous for her. Now, I'm not saying Donald Trump is I'm not saying he isn't, but um it would be very advantageous for her to exonerate Donald Trump because she gets moved to a Kush prison and uh hopefully she doesn't get a pardon. I mean, I'm really hoping that she does not get a pardon. >> You think she will? >> I I hope not. I She led a lot of lambs to the slaughter and uh she's a vile evil woman. So, I I really hope she doesn't get a pardon. >> Got it. Okay. So, how did you start even from the beginning with Epstein? I got the Franklin coverup story. So, now you're seven years there. They don't want to do anything with your book. You meet this fellow who is the only one you you said uh uh what's his name? Malaki Mccor. You >> Malaki Mccor. >> Malaki Mccor who's the one that's willing to entertain it. And then later on, you know, you your interest into Epstein. How did that Epstein story fall on your lap? Well, with the Franklin scandal, when I was meeting with editors and publishers trying to get something done, I'd had I I was represented by a fairly big agency and then I gave them the Franklin book proposal and they dropped me. And then I had another very good agent, James Fitzgerald, try to sell the book and he couldn't. But I would be meeting with editors and publishers and I would tell them about the Franklin scandal and I could see, as I said earlier, the cognitive dissonance in their eyes. They would say to themselves, "This is a horrible story. I need to help Nick Bryant." Or, "I can just write Nick Bryant off as crazy right now and have a nice meal with my family tonight." So, they all went that way. And I was surprised because I had some, as I said earlier, some really good friends in the media. So, when this book came out and we could get no traction, I was talking to crazy people on podcasts. I was I went through a a deep period of dispondency and then these reports about Epstein started coming up and this is like 2012 and I saw that a grand jury I mean it was very obvious that he'd been molesting underage girls but then I saw that a grand jury had exonerated him of molesting underage girls and that's exactly what happened with the Franklin scandal. So, I just felt, you know, I know a lot about this and and I've I've kind of thrown myself into this area. I've spoken at a lot of big anti-child trafficking conferences or anti-trafficking conferences and uh and actually I contributed a peer-reviewed chapter about trafficking with a number of people that work with uh trafficking victims that are psychiatrists and psychologists. So, I'm I' I've been received in that world pretty well, but I felt like I should I should go check this out, see what you know what's going on. >> What did you learn? >> Well, I went to Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Beautiful Fort Lauderdale, Florida. It was my first time in beautiful Fort Lauderdale, Florida. And then I just started knocking on doors, the thing that I do. and and I ultimately got the black book, Epstein's black book, >> which Gelain says does not exist. >> Well, I've got it and it's on the internet. So, you know, I mean, the black book has all of Ebstein's contacts. I mean, a lot of them are pedophiles and a lot of them aren't, but I got the black book. >> I don't know if you've ever revealed how you got the black book. >> I got it from an attorney who was representing some of the victims. It's kind of interesting how the black book came into my possession. Alfredo Rodriguez was the house manager of Jeffrey Ebstein >> and he ripped it off and his grand plan was to sell it to attorneys that were launching civil suits at Jeffrey Ebstein. And he contacted an attorney and said he he said he had the holy grail to Ebstein and that he would all he wanted was $50,000. So the attorney called the FBI. the FBI did a sting and then ultimately they impounded the black book and Alfredo Rodriguez who was given 18 months for that. And um so I ended up getting the black book and in the black book under massage there's a number of names. There's like 175 names. And I started calling those girls. Most of them are girls and and a lot of them were the victims. And they told me about being flown around to different places. And they also told me about being flown around to an island. And at that point, I realized I'm dealing with a a network that's very much like Franklin that it was covered up. And also these it's flying underage kids around. And I just I went back to New York with the black book. And now the pool of editors and publishers that I could pitch it to was significantly reduced at this point because of pitching the Franklin scandal. Um, but I pitched it and nobody would touch it. Nobody would touch it and I I sat on it for three years and then finally Gawker I met John Cook who was the editor-in chief of Gawker and and and they published it and then by at that point I had flight logs too. So, we published the flight logs and we published the black book. And it's kind of funny, we redacted the names of the adult or the numbers of the adults and then we redacted the names of the last names of the victims and then also their phone numbers. There it is. >> Yeah. So with the black book, we published it and then the floodgates opened on the black book. I mean, it it was kind of funny. someone was waiting for someone to take the chance with the black book and then and then at that point the the floodgates just opened and and every I mean tons of ink have been dumped on articles about the black book since I published the black book. >> So no one's interested, no one's calling you. Uh, has anybody done a um have you gone to a uh one of these JSA or authent you know heritage uh auctions to find out to authenticate that this is the actual black book. Has anybody authenticated it? >> Well, I authenticated the providence is through the FBI. The FBI got it from Alfredo Rodriguez. >> And then you got it from the FBI? >> No. And then the FBI gave it to an attorney who I got it from. So, so the Alfredo gave it to the FBI. >> No, no, the FBI impounded it. They did not give it to them. >> So, Alf, so FBI impounded it. FBI then gave it to the attorney and then you got it from the attorney and it's the same exact one. >> Yes. >> So, why would the FBI give it to that attorney in the first place? >> What's interesting I found, I don't know the exact mechanisms involved in that, but the Department of Justice was really gung-ho on covering up Ebstein at all. And I think that there were some people in the FBI that had some very strong misgivings about it. I don't know exactly why the FBI gave it to the attorney, but that's my surmise on that. >> Got it. Okay. So, h um so has any unique person I talked to Michael Wolf the other day. He's got 100 hours of conversations with uh Epstein at his place at his private residence in New York. Steve Bannon has about 15 16 hours when it was prepping him for how to recreate his brand in a media limelight. And you know, originally I thought it was Bannon's, but apparently uh Epstein's estate owns that recording. So Bannon does not based on what Michael Wolf told me when I had him on. Has anybody knocked on your door? Anybody interesting knocked on your door to actually see the black book that you have? I mean, we put it up on the internet and it's >> no to actually physically see it. >> No. >> Would you sell the black book? >> I mean, the thing about the black book is it's all over the internet at this point. And there's a unredacted ver there are multiple unredacted versions of it. So, it's all over the internet. And when I say black book, I'm not saying the people that are in there are exclusively pers, >> of course, >> but but a lot of them are. A lot of them aren't. It it is Alfredo Rodriguez called it the holy grail and it is the holy grail to a certain degree because it does show all the people that Epstein dealt with and a telltale I I won't say this categorically but a telltale sign is if there's a lot of numbers um it means that Epstein dealt with him quite frequently and Alfredo Rodriguez circled people that he said were in cahoots with Ebstein as far as the chow trap And who were some of those names he circled? >> They're uh billionaire Glenn Dubin, uh Alan Dersowitz, Leslie Wexler, um Glenn Maxwell, Jean Luke Brunell, uh actually Donald Trump's name is circled, too. And uh Ahud Barack, the former prime minister of Israel. So there's a lot of powerful people that are >> and these are friends of his. Is Alfredo saying these are friends of his? >> They're saying what he's saying when they're circled is that Ebstein was in cahoots with them as far as child pandering. >> Got it. Okay. Um Ehood Barack, which I asked Michael Wolf, you know, he he's the estimated 36th time he visited Epstein's u uh private residence in New York. What what else did you learn about him and some of the others as you're investigating this a little bit deeper? >> Well, you can get double corroboration in the respect that the ones that are circled and then Virginia Gurey litigated with Gla Maxwell and during those depositions, she named a number of her perpetrators and Aud Barack's name is circled by Alfredo Rodriguez and Virginia Gurey named Aude Barack as a perpetrator. actually a very nasty individual. Uh Galain Maxwell's name is circled and uh Virginia named her as a perpetrator. Leslie Wexter's name is circled and Virginia named him as a perpetrator. John Luke Brunell's name is circled and uh Virginia named him as a perpetrator. Alan Dersawit's name is circled and Virginia named him as a perpetrator. and uh William Bill Richardson, he was the former governor of Mexico or New Mexico and also Clinton's energies are and his name is circled and Virginia named him as a perpetrator. >> So you can get double corroboration between um Rodriguez and uh Virginia Guffrey. I mean it's not airtight and solid, but it's double corroboration. >> Yeah. And he passed away in 2014 2015. Alfredo Rodriguez. Did you ever have a conversation with him? >> I did not. No. >> Okay. And And who did he tell that the ones that were circled were corroborated? >> He said that the ones that were circle I he told that the FBI that the ones that were circled were people that he felt were in cahoots. >> And who from FBI told you that Alfredo said that? >> Um the attorney. And is that documented or is it just you're speculating that the attorney told you that? >> I would say it's the same providence, but I wouldn't go 100% on it. No. >> Okay. So, we're assuming that this is fourth person. Alfredo told the FBI. FBI told the lawyer. The lawyer's telling you. So, we have to believe what the FBI is saying that what the what the lawyer saying is true. >> Yes. >> Okay. So the credibility there's not really that high for me because that goes three tiers. >> I understand that. I mean I think the credibility the providence on the black book I think is 100%. Because it's been released since I released it >> of the book of the book being real. Yeah. >> Okay. Have you showed it to anybody? Have you do do you did you bring it with you today or No, >> no. I mean Gawker published it in its entirety. Who owns the blackbook today? >> It's It's out there. Anybody can own it. I mean, it's been downloaded. >> No, I get that. The actual physical real black book. >> I Okay, so what I got was copies of the black book. >> Got it. So, you don't have the original. No, I do not have the original black book. Who owns the original black book? >> It was Ebstein. >> I know. So, where is the original one now? >> That I do not know. >> Okay. So, so in this story, we have not the original black book. We have the copy of the copy of the copy. And we're taking feedback from Alfredo Rodriguez that told the FBI that told the lawyer that the lawyer told us. And so that again loses a lot of credibility. Have you ever spoken to the FBI agent that spoke directly to the lawyer? Have you spoke to that person? >> I have not because it was an ongoing investigation. The FBI has not given me any information whatsoever. But as I said, I've got no doubts that what Ralph the the copy of the black book that Alfredo Rodriguez got was exactly what he had ripped off from Ebstein. >> How do you know that? >> You have to realize I'm a guy that's very skeptical with this, but I also >> actually there's there's an FBI report on I can I can send you the FBI report. >> Okay. So, the FBI report shows the exact copies that match what you have. The FBI said that what they have was acquired from Alfred Alfredo Rodriguez who acquired it from Epstein. >> Okay. So, what were you know with all the movement that's going on today with Epstein? I think the second judge just prevented it from uh uh Did you see that one, Rob? I'm sure you saw it as well. Uh Nick, uh uh judge denies request to unseal the Epstein files. Now, this is a second one. >> That's for the grand jury. >> Okay. So, you do from the looks, >> which is which is very different. Okay. So, Ebstein was arrested in 2019, >> and there was a grand jury prior to that that indicted him on one count of child trafficking, I believe it was. So that information wouldn't really give us a lot of the news or the the documentation from that grand jury would not give us a lot of information because it was very limited in its scope if it only indicted Jeffrey Abstan one count of child trafficking. Are you are you from the school of thought that the the current administration does not want to release this? And if they don't, what are you speculating are the reasons why they don't want to? >> My thoughts on this are well, you had Pam Bondi, let's walk it back a little bit. You had Pam Bondi in February say that she was going to release the Epstein Files. It was called the Epstein list or the Epstein list and the Epstein files are kind of synonymous. She said that she was going to release it and then she released a nothing sandwich. Now the black book that she released was the black book that I released. >> Except the black book that she released had everybody's name redacted. We only redacted the numbers of the people the adults in the black book and then the people that were potentially victims who redacted their last names and also their numbers. So, she said that she'd been burned by the FBI field office in New York City, and that's why she uh and and that's why she served us a nothing sandwich. And then she, you know, she keeps on putting herself in a in a bigger and bigger hole because then she says that she's going to release everything and that the only matters related to national security will be redacted. So now she has to tell us why a bunch of child molesters have anything to do with national security. So she keeps digging herself into a deeper hole. And then she said that there's a trunkload of evidence that's being vetted. And here's what shortly after Epstein was arrested in 2019. The FBI saw open his safe and they pulled out, according to the New York Times, hundreds, if not thousands of discs and images of underage girls. And Business Insider reported that they also pulled out hard drives. So there were FBI agents or whatever dark malignant corner of the government that deploys people like Epson. They were looking at that stuff that night. I mean, I'm willing to, you know, put a lot of money on it that they were looking at that stuff. So, for her to basically insinuate that they were they just started looking at this stuff in in 2025 is, you know, I mean, that's utter bunk. That stuff was It's like So, they impounded it all these discs and hard drives from Epstein's safe and then it was in the corner of the FBI where it was collecting dust. I mean, that's completely ridiculous. the FBI or whoever vetted that stuff knows exactly what was on it long before Pam Bondi became attorney general of the United States. >> So then why are they playing this game? I think there's a couple of reasons. I think that we have a political system that's rife with blackmail. And I firmly believe that the people that hold the pictures are pretty powerful people that have a lot of juice. And there was a Tennessee a federal Tennessee uh congressman that um came out about a year and a half ago. His name is Tim Burchchett and he actually said, "My colleagues are being blackmailed in honey traps." So, a sitting US congressman said that my colleagues are being blackmailed in honey traps, which I I think is kind of amazing. And I wrote a book called Confessions of a DC Madam: The Politics of Sex Lies and Blackmail. And it was from the perspective of Henry Vincent. And he ran a gay escort service. And Craig Spence would use his gay escorts to compromise politicians. And we also saw that in the Franklin scandal. So, I got to a black male photographer and I was trying to get my mind around this because this is something that you really don't read about in books. Now, you can because I I wrote a book called The Franklin Scandal, but um you really don't read about it in books. And I got to this black male photographer who was unctuous. But I think that it's kind of funny with um with people that you cultivate as sources. Some of them are unctuous. They're not the paragon of morality, but and this has happened to me a few times where early on they're pretty honest to you and then later on something switches and then there and and I had this with this black male photographer, but I'll give you the uh metaphor that he used. He said, "Once you're compromised, it's like you're on a big beautiful yacht and you can have anything you want on that big beautiful yacht and it's a beautiful day and there's nothing but good times on the yacht. But if you decide to get off the yacht, the people on the yacht are going to make sure that you drown." And I think that that's a very good metaphor for how blackmail works in our uh in our political system. >> Okay. So you're again Nick, I'm trying to go as specific for the audience to get it. So you're saying there's a blackmail operation going here. That's your claim. Is that is that fair to say? Okay. So you're saying there's a blackmail oper operation going here. When I sat with uh Michael, Michael claims that if um if Jeffrey Epstein was a a MSAD agent working for Israel, he would have been terrible because he had such a big mouth and he couldn't stop talking and he would always tell everyone's business to everybody. He was always talking talking, right? So maybe Israel could have used them, but in what ways? Who knows? And by the way, I haven't even asked you. Is your speculation that the uh blackmail was tied to an intel agency where I'm sending assets information over back to Israel? Is is that where you're at as well or no? Because I know where >> Let's take a look at that. Um people ask me this all the time. >> Yeah. >> Was Jeffrey Epstein connected to the MSAD? Mhm. >> And I say Jeffrey Epstein very well might have been connected to the MSAD, but I don't really see the dark side of the CIA that does this type of thing allowing the dark side of the MSAD to compromise American politicians on American soil without getting a cut of that intelligence. So I think that actually there's a dark side of the MSAD, there's a dark side of the CIA and I think that they were working together and the the amount of power that was used. So Alexander Aosta was the US attorney and he was asked I mean he gave Jeffrey Epstein a sweetheart deal and he gave all the co-conspirators blanket immunity. um and he was getting vetted to be Trump's labor secretary and he was asked why did you go so light on Epstein and he said I was told that Epstein was intelligence and that I had to back off. Now there's only two people I've talked to a number of legal scholars about this. There's only two people in the government that can tell a US attorney to stand down. One is the attorney general and one is the president. A US attorney isn't going to go out on a limb and cover up a bunch of child molesters unless he's told to. And the attorney general isn't going to go out on a limb and cover up a bunch of child molesters unless he's told to. And the sweetheart deal was in 2007. So George Bush 2 and Alberto Gonzalez, George Bush too was the president. Alberto Gonzalez was his attorney general. And that really shows how much power was deployed. I mean that came from the top. That came from Mount Olympus to cover this up. >> Okay. So came from Mount Olympus to cover this up. Hi, I'm Nick Bryant and if you want to connect with me, connect with me on MC. You can ask me about Ebstein justice and also all things Ebstein. >> One, he's given assets. to why else could be the reason why they're protecting this guy Epstein >> because and you talk about Epstein Michael talking about Epstein talking there was a uh article I believe it came out in 2001 it was from the evening standard the UK >> and it was I think probably the best article that's been written about Ebstein um and it was talking about Epstein being a spook and it was saying that Ebstein had said that he was CIA but he he no longer says that. So, um that's a it was written by uh uh Nigel I can't think of his last name, but it's it's a Daily Standard article and uh or Nightly Standard article and it's it's a very good article. >> Is it Nigel Farage or >> Nigel uh I want to say Ross, but I think I can't remember his his last name. >> Okay. Okay. Evening Standard from the UK 2001 and all his homes were wired for audiovisisual blackmail. According to two victims, his New York home there was a secret and this is exactly like with Spencer's home. There was a secret room and it had monitors of the bedrooms and the bathrooms. And according to one victim, there were men, as in plural, sitting in this room monitoring everything. And then another victim said that she had been in the room, but she didn't talk about various individuals monitoring anything. And his I mean, every residence that he had had clandestine cameras. So to say that he wasn't in the business of blackmail, I think is uh very naive. >> I I think he was. I actually think he was. I'm just trying to see what uh uh Okay. So maybe let's talk about stuff that is currently happening. Rob, do you have a the link from CNN? This is what CNN just posted today. Okay. And it's not normal for CNN to share a clip like this. If you don't have it, Rob, I'll just text it to you. Um, so CNN, we some would say pretty friendly to the Clintons. They don't normally go after the Clintons. And just out of nowhere, while everybody is kind of trying to move on with linking Epstein and Clinton, especially on the left, this was a video that they post on their Instagram account, I think just earlier today, if not yesterday, talking about an event that the Clintons recognized Gelain Maxwell in 2013 after Epstein scandal. So, if you can play this clip, Rob, go for it. and has uncovered photos and videos showing Glain Maxwell being honored at a prestigious Clinton Global Initiative conference in 2013, years after she was publicly accused of helping Jeffrey Epstein groom and abuse minors. >> May I have all of you who we are honoring today please stand up so that you can be recognized. >> Maxwell was at the 2013 conference representing a nonprofit she founded, the Tara Project for Ocean Conservation. Information reviewed by CNN shows Maxwell was on a list of people who were approved for complimentary access to the conference and that access would have been personally recommended by either Bill or Hillary Clinton, according to a source familiar with the event. In response, a representative of the Clinton Foundation told CNN that 600 comp tickets were given out that year and Maxwell's access was made at the staff level, which included former President Clinton's office. At the time that Maxwell was honored, British and American newspapers and tabloids had been covering Maxwell's involvement in the Epstein scandal for years, starting with a publicized lawsuit that mentioned her in 2009. In fact, she had been served a subpoena for that lawsuit while leaving a different Clinton Foundation event that year, which was reported at the time by the New York Post. The allegations surrounding Maxwell gained international attention in 2011 when Virginia Duprey told the UK's Daily Mail that Maxwell had recruited her as a teenager for Epstein and had been involved in the abuse herself, which Maxwell denied at the time. But in 2021, she was convicted of five sex trafficking related charges and sentenced to 20 years in prison. Clinton staff had barred Maxwell from events by 2011. According to a source and information that we reviewed, which makes her appearance at the Clinton Global Initiative two years later even more striking. But a representative of the Clinton Foundation told CNN, "If that happened, it wasn't widely communicated." Maxwell was in Clinton's orbit for years, attending a reception for donors at the White House in 1993 and even co-hosting a fundraiser for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign in 2007. A spokesperson for Bill Clinton told CNN, "This is about someone working on ocean conservation attending a charitable conference 12 years ago along with thousands of other people and nothing more." As we have consistently said, the Clinton >> What do you think about this? >> What they missed was Glain Maxwell was at Chelsea Clinton's wedding. >> That was in 11 or 2010 when she was at that wedding. So, I mean, obviously the Clintons felt enough about Galain Maxwell to invite her to their daughter's wedding, which was the hottest ticket in town. So, Galain Maxwell is been hooked up with the Clintons on a on a number of occasions. What's happening now is and Trump had come out and said, and I'm not a Republican, I'm not a Democrat. I've got no dog in that fight. But Trump came out and said that the Epstein thing is a Democratic hoax. And a number of people are getting subpoenaed. Uh Alberto uh Gonzalez is getting subpoenaed. Um the Clintons are getting subpoenaed. James Comey is getting subpoenaed. And actually, Alexander Aosta, his name wasn't among the people that were getting subpoenaed, >> but now he is going to, I guess, volunteer to testify. So, I thought that that was kind of telling. I don't really know if we're going to get a lot of information from that. What we need, as far as Epstein goes, is an independent congressional commission to look into it. I think that as long as it's just the government looking at itself, we're going to be subjected to the same perfidiousness regarding Epstein as we've already been subjected to. >> What are the right questions we should be asking today? Today with everything that's going on because you know it the more and more you get of a story, people get to burnout mode. It's kind of like, okay, is I'm I'm I'm burned out at this point. I really don't want to talk about this anymore. I already have an opinion on it. What I think is going on. Are you going to drop the story? You're not going to be dropping the story. Am I going to see anything with this? Are we going to have anybody getting arrested for what they did to these innocent children? When I'm watching the documentary the other night with my oldest son and you see one of the girls comes over to the house in Palm Beach, eventually cops find out that there's too many young kids going from West Palm Beach over the bridge to this guy's house. So, they start monitoring and consistency with stories. One girl goes there to give a massage. He takes his clothes off and she says, "I don't want to do this." And he says, "Well, can you at least go find a girl? every girl you bring, I'm going to give you $200. So, she starts bringing a bunch of girls. She brought 24 girls and she got paid $200 each time. The youngest girl she brought >> about Haley Robson. >> Yeah. She brought the youngest girl she brought was 14 years old. So, she made a few thousand. Then she goes and talks to the cops. Then they say, you know, you're guilty because you're involved in this. And she's like, I didn't know I was guilty. How about all the other girls? So, at this point, we we are very much on information overload with was there's documentaries on on Gelain. There's documentaries on Epstein, but what should we be asking today that maybe hasn't been asked? What are those questions? >> Well, what's really important that we ask? And 89% according to a CBS poll, 89% of Americans want everything. I'm Jeffrey Eskin. The question that we really need to ask, and this is why we need an independent commission, is why is the federal government covering up child trafficking? When you cover up a crime, you're aiding and abetting that crime. So why is the federal government aiding and abetting child trafficking? That should be the first question. And I think once that question is answered, then we can get to the bottom of Jeffrey Epstein. >> Okay. So, why do you think they're hiding it? Because to me, when I'm looking at this, this is what I see. Yesterday, President Trump announced that moving forward, if you burn the flag, you're facing up to one year of jail time. Okay? Now, some people don't like that. I support it. I've been asking for this for years to say that we have to I don't think it's okay for people to burn the American flag in a country that gave them freedom. I don't think it's okay to do that. I'm uncomfortable with that myself. That can be debated and go back and forth. H Yeah. Okay. Yes. No. Maybe. Great. Guess what? Blanket statement. You like it, you don't like it. You burn the flag, you're going to jail. I think we're one of the only countries that you don't go to jail for burning the flag. All right, cool. That's out there. So to me now if we had the Diddy, if we had the Epstein, if we had the Craig Spence, if we had the Lawrence King, if we have all these stories, if we have even the Roy and Co Roy Cohen who was, you know, he was more doing the male escorts at his place and getting all this blackmail model and this goes back, this has been going for many, many years, right? >> What do you do to prevent the next ex Epstein, the next Diddy? what what should be the crime to protect those innocent children? If the if the if the crime and the punishment isn't big enough, this is going to continue happening. >> Well, that's that's the thing. I mean, with the government now, they released that very strange document on July 6th that said that there were 300 over 300 gigabytes of information taken from Jeff Jeffrey Epstein's uh possessions or safe and that over a thousand victims had been abused. Now, I agree with that 100%. Um, but it said that Epstein had no co-conspirators. I mean, that's absolute bunk. Um, that Epstein didn't engage in blackmail. You can definitely prove that they were co-conspirators for sure. I mean, without a doubt. I mean, the New York Times wrote an article about six co-conspirators. Glain Maxwell, Sarah Kellen, Leslie Grath, uh, Adriana Ross, Nadia Marsonova, and Haley Robinson, who you were talking about. And then Politico named three or four of them also. >> So, and actually Kellen, if if you look at the Palm Beach Police Department notes on the investigation, Kellen comes up all the time as far as leading lambs to slaughter. So, if we really wanted to go about this, how the uh how the Department of Justice is taking down the mafia is they get little fish and then they indict them on multiple RICO predicates and then they're looking at the rest of their life in prison. Then they roll over on the big fish. We know about We know about uh Kellen. We know about Grath. We know about Marson Kova. We know about Ross. They knew how big this was and they knew who exactly who a lot of the perpetrators were, but they've been unscathed. And actually, they were named in the nonprosecution agreement as there was the nonprosecution agreement gave everyone co all the co-conspirators blanket immunity, but they were specifically named in the nonprosecution agreement. So, that would be the place to start is we get them Excuse me. We get them into a uh indict them on multiple counts of child trafficking, which wouldn't be that difficult. And nobody's listened to the victims in this. That's what's really horrible about it. The government obviously had all that child abuse material that was empowered from Jeffrey Epstein. And I'm willing to bet that they didn't even look for any of any of the victims. So there's a lot of victims. And when the uh Epstein victim victims compensation program was started, which I'd like to get into a little bit, um 200 only 225 of the victims came forward. So and the government is stating over a thousand and Epstein traffked underage girls for probably 25 years. So over a thousand is definitely a reasonable extrapolation. So what we need to do is start indicting the co-conspirators, the procurers. And if they're looking child trafficking in the federal system is a heavy sentence. It's 15 to life. And if they're looking at seven life sentences or five life sentences, I mean, however many we want to throw at them, um, they would roll over on the ps in a heartbeat. So, what we need is the Department of Justice to do its job. We need the FBI to do its job. And I started an organization. It's called Epstein Justice. Your uh audience can go to epste.com. And we have webinars every month on how we can put basically what we're trying to do is form a congressional commission. And we're going to need a majority in the House. We're going to need a majority in the Senate. An independent congressional commission that will incorporate uh >> You're not going to get that. >> Well, we're going to try for it. >> Yeah. No, I'm glad you're trying it. You're just not going to get that. >> Well, I'm you know, I might be diluted, but I'm optimistic. And um >> you know, you know why? So, so I would there aren't many people more than me that would love to see that. >> Okay. >> Right. But for whatever reason, this topic makes people on both sides very uncomfortable. What is what is Thomas Massiey's involvement right now with you? Because I think he wants to see something like this come out, right? >> Yes. >> So, credit to him. Who else like Thomas Massie are coming out saying, "Hey, we have to find out what happened here." >> That bill has, I believe, over 34 co-sponsors at this point, both from the right and from the left. You've got very conservative guys like Tim Burchett, and then you've got very liberal types like AOC. They're coming together on this. So, there's a number of KO sponsors out there for that bill and there's going to be a uh >> AOC's on that list as well. >> AOC. >> Can you zoom in on that list to see who it is? So, these are the names. >> How how many do we have now? I mean, they keep adding uh >> so we got Messi. Okay. Um Ilhan Omar on that list. Interesting. Brad Sherman, that's California. That was my uh congressman in the area I was in. Uh Pelosi, keep going lower. Keep going lower. Uh who else do you see there? I don't see AOC on that list. >> I saw How many do we have at this point? >> Uh 23 it says here. >> Oh, 23. >> 22 Democrats and one Republican. >> So you have And what is the bill? What is the bill? >> Is that the latest? Look, look for the latest one. It's 851. Try 851. It wants an investigation into Ebstein. If it's not 851, it's 581. HR 581. Yeah. An act concerning judgment. I don't think this is it. No. >> Try 851. [Music] No, neither one of them. It's not 581 or 851. But you're saying AOC's on the list. It looks like majority what uh we just looked at with Thomas Massie was uh Democrats with only one being a Republican. >> House resolution 581 here. >> Okay, there we go. >> Can you see who's on the list? co-sponsor is 44 now. 44. Zoom in a little bit. >> And it's 33 Democrat, 11 Republican. >> Marjgery Taylor Green's on it. Roana's on it. Tim Bchett's on it. So Rorowbert's on it. Um, Corey Mills is on it. Tom Barrett is on it. Rasheed Talib's on it. AOC's on it. Nancy May is on it. Jamie Raskin's on it.Uh Uh uh uh uh uh Nancy Pelosi is on it. Who else you got? What else you got? You're going through it fast. I'm trying to see. Cat Brad Sherman, same name. Okay, you got you got you got a few names on there. So 44 names that are on there now. >> But AOC should be on there. I thought >> she I said her name. She is on there. Yeah, she is on there. >> So what we need to do is make sure that the government doesn't cover up child trafficking anymore. Don't you think that that's what we need to do? >> I to me I'm sick of it. I just want accountability. I want to know, >> okay, >> what's going to happen for these guys to be held accountable. >> Okay. So, what we need is an independent congressional commission, >> okay, >> to look into this. That's what Epstein justice is all about. >> In order for that to happen, you need a major support from the top to push forward. >> Well, you need a majority in the House and a majority in the Senate. But if we don't stop this, think about it. Our government, and I love the United States of America, I love the United States of America. Our government, and the United States of America is different than its government. Um, our government is aiding and abetting child trafficking. We have to stop it. The political machine is unwilling to stop it. So, it's up to us to stop it. And this is our opportunity right now. This is going to be the best opportunity in our lifetimes to stop this. And that's why we need people to come to Epstein Justice. We've got a petition that you can sign. Um you can get involved with us. We have webinars. We do need donations, but we're growing. We keep growing. And uh it's a it's a very good feeling that we keep growing. But if this doesn't happen, then the government is going to we're going to allow the government to aid in child trafficking. We cannot let as Americans, we we just can't let that happen. >> I got you. So what what what else can you do to prevent the next Epstein diddy, you know, crime? >> We we have to Okay, so Epstein justice has two objectives. We want the government to tell us why it's embedding child trafficking and we want the perpetrators to be prosecuted. Very simple uh baseline morality. But we need the first question. Why are you covering up child trafficking? We have to know that as Americans. We need to know why our government is covering up child trafficking. And until we have that answer and and we can stop the mechanisms that are involved in it, then it's going to continue and we have to stop it. It happened with the Franklin scale. It's happening with Ebstein. I'm been approached by many people over the years that talk about other networks that are active and and Epstein was really ominous. Um, there was a lawsuit uh from the Virgin Islands against Epstein's estate and the Virgin Islands ultimately got $15 million and then they'll get half the the sale of uh Little St. James. And there was uh a very good Melbourne Daily that reported that uh Epstein was trafficking girls that were as young as 11 or 12 at in the Virgin Islands. And I know a couple of therapists. One's a very eminent psychologist and both believe that they have represented girls that were molested by Jeffrey Epstein when they were under the age of 10 or by Ebstein at all under the age of 10. And >> wait, under the age of 10? >> 10. Yes. >> This is Epstein. >> Epstein. Yes. And I think that that's one of the uh ways in which you know the media hasn't called for justice at all. And and I think if there was a real investigation, these guys are psychopaths. I mean, these guys are psychopaths. If if you want a 10-year-old, they'll get you a 10-year-old. But anyway, both these therapists who are very, one of them is very eminent, tried to get settlements from the Epstein victim's compensation program and they were denied and both of them feel because the cover story that the media has embraced is that the youngest Epste victim was 14 years old. So although we have evidence of Ebstein um trafficking girls younger than that according to the Melbourne uh daily the age um and then we have these two therapists who are very very solid therapists saying that they have clients that they believe were trafficked under the age of 10. So the media has done everything it possibly can to sanitize Jeffrey Epstein. I'm not aware of a media outlet that has said, "Hey, we need justice here." Have Have you ever seen an article from a mainstream media that said, "We need justice here." I mean, they're very good at digging up salacious dirt, but no one said, "We need justice here." I I haven't seen it. I' I've read a lot of Epstein articles. I haven't seen it. >> I I I saw a story about, you know, one time uh 12year-old triplets were flown to Epstein. Yes. For his birthday. Is that true? Uh, they were bought in um, Eastern Europe. >> Yeah. >> 12-y old triplets. >> Yeah. >> I mean, who brought them in is the question. >> According to Virginia Gurey, Ebstein and Brunell had some kind of uh, connection in the government where they could get these girls visas, which wouldn't surprise me given everything that they got away with for all those years. Yeah, this the one that Vice uh reported on unsealed documents from 2015 civil action by Jafrey which included her deposition recounting this claim. Additional investigative reporting such as uh the mindsight news corroborated the details noting that court documents record that details from the investigation include allegation of 13 12 yearear-old triplets were flown in from France for Epstein's birthday and flown back the following day after being sexually abused. Virginia describes an orgy and wish were 12 year olds there. So yes, and the we've got the Melbourne newspaper, daily newspaper saying 11 and 12 and then we've got these therapists saying under 10. So if the media really want why am I able to get this information and the media the mainstream media with its seemingly infinite resources cannot get this information. What what is up with that? >> Yeah. Wasn't there a movie with um uh what's his name? Liam Niss uh and Maggie Grace called >> Taken. Yes. where she uh gets taken and goes to a, you know, sex trafficking place where she's on the he finally finds him on the girls are coming out dancing and he's behind the glass and they're watching and they're bidding 10 grand, 20 grand, 30 grand, 40 grand, 50 grand. So, you know that that that movie and then at the end of the movie I think he goes up and kills the person, whatever it is. So, it's not like this stuff doesn't exist and it doesn't happen. This has been going around for a long time. The question is what is the crime? Who is the a comparable person like an Epstein or a Diddy or a Craig Spence that was caught? What is the worst punishment that a country that is a you know westernized country that's given to people like that that we can go back and see a pattern there. Who have we punished for somebody that did this? Say somebody else ran something like this. Is there another Epstein or a Diddy that did this that got the death penalty that went to jail for God knows how many years? Do those stories exist? Case studies exist? >> Okay. The FBI, when the Department of Justice was going to engage, what happened was there was a 14-year-old girl who told her stepmother that she'd been molested by Jeffrey Epstein. And her mother brought her to the Palm Beach Police Department. and she was from a lower socioeconomic uh part of Palm Beach, if there is such a thing in Palm Beach. But anyway, she was from a lower socioeconomic part of Palm Beach. And she was able to describe Epstein's the interior of his home and also his anatomy. And that's what started their investigation. And by the time, and now there's numbers that are conflicting here, that they had five the statements of five victims. Um but then there were 17 corroborating statements. And from what I understand, this number has fluctuated, but they had at least they knew of at least 17 victims. And they were ready to indict Jeffrey Ebstein on four unlawful counts of sexual activity with a minor and one count of luden lascivious molestation, which would have put him in jail for a very long time. And then it was given to this grand jury by and the special prosecutor was Lannabelle Lovik and she called two of the victims. She could there she could have called many more but she called two and one was 16 years old and she'd been molested by Epstein when she was 14 and one was 18. She been been molested by Jeffrey Epste multiple times when she was 16. And she was calling one of the girls a prostitute. I mean, she skewered these girls. Wow. >> Skewered them. And I mean, the transcripts, Dantis has released the transcripts. So, the transcripts are out there. And that's the grand jury that said Jeffrey Epstein hadn't molested a single child. Um, so Michael Ryder, he is a hero in this. He was the chief of the Palm Beach Police Department. He became he said this is the worst failure something I'm going to paraphrase it the worst failure in modern judicial history. And he went to the uh Department of Justice. He said, "You have to do something about this." Now, the Department of Justice had a list of 34 Epstein victims. I've got that list. But then it knew of 40 more, but yet it covered it all up. So that's where we need to start is the Department of Justice and why it had 30 or 40 victims, underage victims of Jeffrey Epstein's and why didn't it do anything? Why did why was nothing adjudicated other than Jeffrey Epstein getting 18 months in county jail and serving 13? >> Yeah. So, I'm I'm I'm I just asked the question, who was the most notorious case similar to Jeffrey Epstein that got the death penalty or went to jail for life? Right. First one that comes up is Lawrence King. Let me which we talked about earlier, the Franklin cover up, the scandal, and he was accused of running child trafficking rings involving politicians and elites. Convicted for fraud, but never convicted of the abuse. Not life or death, not a perfect pair, nothing. Right. So, then there's Mark Dut from Belgium. Yeah. Mark Dutro from Belgium. Wealthy contractor, serial child child abuser, kidnapped, imprisoned, and sexually abused multiple girls. Two dived of starvation in his hidden dungeon. It's the guy right there. Okay, that's 1990s. He had alleged ties to elite sex networks. Many male Belgiums uh believe there was a cover up protecting high-rups. >> He was sentenced to life in prison. >> What's interesting to about that is actually there were law enforcement people that came forward and said there was a cover up. And there's footage of I think at around 200,000 Belgians hitting the streets. They're all dressed in white um and they're protesting the cover up that haven't occurred. >> Can you pull that up if they're protesting Mark Mark Dut protest >> protest white um there's a video of that. Yeah, if you pull it up you should be able to see it. What I >> I see a picture of you. I I typed in Mark Dutro, >> Belgium White March. >> No, it's a bigger one than this. If you go on Google, you'll see the picture. It's massive. It's not small. >> It's huge. Yeah, it's huge. >> It's massive. It's not a small thing that happened. So, uh um this the 25 year anniversary. There it is. There it is. Right there it is. So, that's a legit march of people saying, "Hey, that's more than a legit march." What I'm saying is, I mean, if it needs to get to that to get the attention of what happened here, maybe that's a good case study. All I'm trying to do is get case studies. >> Okay. So, that's what we need. I I mean, if the Belgians are willing to hit the streets to protest uh pedophile network being covered up, Americans have to. Don't you think that Americans need to do that? >> If this to me, >> would you be willing to do that? to me if if this is everybody has their own issues. When the when the Trump administration put up uh what their 20 issues were in the 47 campaign 2024, this wasn't necessarily a top 20 issue for them. The Epstein, but it was for a lot of people that supported that drove for this to become a reality. A lot of people were pushing for this. And I do think as somebody who's got a family, I think people want to know what the hell happened here. I definitely do. Or else I wouldn't be doing all these interviews. Why am I talking to you? Why am I talking to Michael Wolf? Why am I talking to Whitney Webb multiple times? Why are we talking to these? We shouldn't be doing it because it's more constant uh stories of it coming up, but we're interested in it. Let me give you another one here. >> But we have to keep it alive. I mean, it's happened in uh Portugal. It's happened in France. It's happened in I mean it there are multiple and it happened in Mexico. There there are multiple cases >> to be a real punishment. There's a guy in UK's name was Richard Huckle. >> Yes. He abused 200 children, sentenced to life in prison, later murdered in prison 2016. Okay. Richard Huckle, Hu CL. >> And then you have Jimmy Seville. >> Jimmy Seville is another one. Yes. >> Who was part of that? And that was hooked up to uh uh UK intelligence through the uh pedophile information exchange. But but did did anything that Epstein did to the the victims did did anyone get killed by Epstein or his people? I do know this that some of those and and I saw this with the Franklin scandal. Some of those pedophiles were vicious to some of these girls. I can say that >> Epstein. You're saying Epstein was not? I I'm saying that there were some victims of Jeffrey Epstein that were pandered to some very vicious individuals >> such as >> um there's a woman that told me that she was pandered to a very powerful guy, a former prime minister who was pretty vicious to her. >> Do we know the name? >> I mean, I could say the name, but then the woman I would rather, you know, for her sake not say it. >> She hasn't said it. >> Not publicly. No. Not Not publicly and not what she told me. >> Is this a living PM? >> Yes. Yeah. >> And somebody got killed? >> No. But he was he was very violent to her. >> He was violent to her. He was aggressive. >> She said that he put her in the hospital. >> And you see that with the Franklin scandal and other situations. like with Dutroe, he started killing girls. Um, and you see unbelievable sadism in the Franklin scandal with with the victims. >> Um, yeah. So to me that because when you look at these cases what gets the attention is if that's taking place you have the story of uh Lewis Gravido Colombia serial child killer convicted of murdering over 100 children sentenced to 1853 years reduced to uh uh under Colombian law no death penalty died in 2023. That's the guy right there but he killed 100 children. Then you have another one called John Wayne Gayy, serial killer who raped and murdered at least 33 young men executed by lethal injection. >> He was more into uh >> boys. >> Well, older. I think a lot of his victims were older than 18 years old. >> So his was older than 18 years old. >> He might have. >> So you're saying at least he followed the laws. What you're saying? >> No, I'm not. >> Come on, Nick. But no, no. What I'm what I'm saying if you're talking about if you're talking about pedophilic perpetrators. >> So he would ID them before he did anything to them or >> Yeah, I think he ID them. >> What a responsible killer you are, buddy. >> Um, so we see these in multiple cultures, but Lawrence Lawrence King did no time for molesting children. Craig Spence did no time for molesting children. Gain Maxwell, the deal that she got is mindboggling. And now I mean she was put into a dormatory very early on which is pretty cush. I mean people that have served a lot of time or have done a lot of their sentence and have and inmates that have exhibited exemplary behavior are generally put a number of times and they're getting close to the end of their uh bid. they're put into dormatory style living and and she was put into dormatory style living uh very quickly and now she's in a even kosh prison in Texas which is really really horrific >> and by the way when Craig Spence died he wrote a note if I'm not mistaken Rob didn't Craig Spence write a note in the hotel >> and he says take this as my form of resignation or something somewhere like that hey chief consider this my resignation effective immediately as you always said you can't ask others >> to make a sacrifice you if you are not ready to do the same. Life is a duty. God bless America. This is after he killed himself taking all those seven Xanax, small packets of Xanax. >> Well, it I' I've heard of different um pills that he took to overdose, but yes, he and he was in a tuxedo and he was at the Ritz Carlton in Boston. So, >> what a way to go. >> So, that's how >> what a way to go. So, he wanted to have a black tie event when he killed >> But he was never arrested indicted for molesting. >> So, nobody has. So, so to me there there's a difference between, you know, when you're put on that, what is that list that uh uh you go to any city, you're on a list, what is that list called? >> Sex offender registry. >> Sex offender registry, which by the way, it's a very effective thing because, you know, and you can even go and see how many sex offenders live around you. I mean, that that is a public humiliation old school type of way of doing things, right? So, that's one. But when you're talking about a guy like Epstein, Jazlain, you know, I if if Jazlain if if if she is given a pardon and she's released, how do you think the market's going to react if that happens? >> Well, I hope that there's tremendous outrage, but we need outrage now. I mean, Glenn Maxwell, I mean, Jeffrey Epstein didn't even have to register as a perpetrator in New Mexico because he'd pandered uh underage girls to both Bill Richardson and Bruce King who were the governors of New Mexico. >> He bought the property from the governor, the 8,000 acre property. >> So, um, we need something now. >> Yeah. >> That's why Ebstein justice is really important. I mean, don't you think that if our government's not going to do it that us as Americans, we have to create a movement? Now, movements aren't interest are are difficult. There there was the uh labor's rights movement. And at one point, people that wanted unions were considered far-left radicals. Uh there was a civil rights movement. There was the women's rights movement. Now we have to come together and make sure that the children have a right not to be molested. Now if you if you look at the numbers of kids that are molested in the United States, it's pretty mindboggling. Now these this is from the CDC. According to the Centers for Disease Control, 25% of underage girls have been molested. And people in the field think that that's conservative and 5% of underage boys. Now, there are studies that go as high as 16% on underage boys, but if we just stick to with the CDC numbers, there are 50 million Americans that have been molested as children. 50 million. We need to stop this. And we have to and and this is what's really important about Epstein. If we allow the Department of Justice to cover up a proven trafficking network like Epstein, that sends a message to millions of Americans that you have no voice and no hope for justice. That's another reason why we have to put our foot down and say no more. >> Yeah. Um I I don't I don't disagree. By the way, there's another list uh when I had uh this this guy named Anthony Weiner around. I don't know if you're familiar with him. I asked him a bunch of different questions, but >> there's another article that just came out talking about the number of names tied to Webstein that have died from uh murky circumstances, suicide or different things. Rob, do you have that list? >> I do. >> If you have that list, if you want to pull it up. I don't know if it can be zoomed in or not. If it's blurry. >> This guy is pretty savvy techwise. You got a good guy. >> Yeah, he's very savvy. Zoom in a little bit more, Rob. So Jeffrey Epstein obviously he was found hung and the last text message he sent uh when Michael Wolf asked him how are you doing he says I'm just hanging in there that was his last text from his lawyer to Michael Wolf I'm just hanging in there and then it was found hung obviously dead Steve Hoffenberg 77 believe natural causes found at home uh Ephine Reyes after speaking investigators he died uh from uh from what was this he died from >> coid9 19 Jaffrey uh obviously alleged suicide. >> I wrote an article on her. It's on my blog, Nick Bryan NYC. And I knew Virginia and I there was so much apocrypha that came out after her suicide that the MSAD had killed her, that she was alive and living with Jeffrey Epstein. I wrote an article to kind of set all that straight. So if >> So you think she died from a suicide or you think she really did die from suicide? Really? Okay. any of these other names before I go through. Was there anything that was uh >> Well, Alfredo Rodriguez had cancer. Joe Ricari uh died of a heart attack, I believe. Um I mean, Roy Black, I mean, uh he was 80. Marvin Minsky was 88. >> Go a little bit lower. Rob, >> Ronald Epinger, he's kind of an interesting case because he was he he was busted for child trafficking. >> He's a first pimp with Virginia. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, he's kind of an interesting case that um and then he ultimately gave her to another guy that molested her. Uh and the FBI got on to Epinger and then it got on to this guy and then Virginia was in bed with him and the FBI did a pre-dawn raid and kicked the door open. >> What's the other guy's name? >> I can't think of it. There's there's a lot of Epstein stuff on my RAM. >> I can't but but look into it. Yeah, this this guy will tell us. >> That is interesting. So, Ronald Epinger. >> And what was he known for? >> He was uh busted by the FBI for trafficking. >> He was >> humans. Yeah. >> So, what ended up happening to him? >> He spent the I think the rest of his life in jail, but don't quote me. >> Interesting. Well, any final words, uh, Nick, before we wrap up? Anything else that the audience should know or look into or any final thoughts you want to share? I know September 3rd press conference was coming up. What are you expecting from that? I'm expecting that the legislators that there's other legislators there that are going to support this. But if we go to our justice system and expect our justice system to fix this, it's not going to happen. It's it's just not going to happen. It's like a a dog chasing its tail. That's why Epstein justice is very very important. We need a movement of people like what happened in Belgium to say that's it. We've had enough. We have to do something about this. And short of that, this is going to continue. And there's going to be more children molested. And as I said earlier, according to the CDC, there's over 50 million Americans that have been sexually abused as when they were underage. So, we have to put our foot down on this and just say no more. If we're not going to fix that huge endemic problem until we fix our justice system and our justice system actually prosecutes people that molested children and that has to be a permanent concern of ours. I mean for I understand the government crossing certain lines but this is a line in the sand that should not be crossed. American children should not be trafficked in America and their molesters shouldn't be molesting them with impunity because the Department of Justice refuses to prosecute them. I mean that's what's really important here. and Epstein Justice. We're taking a big step and I'm really heartened by the way that we're growing. We're we're we're really going. There's a lot of people like you that are outraged. I've been outraged forever. I I was outraged when I got the black book and I started calling these victims and they started telling me about being flown around and I was outraged about the Franklin scandal that no one none of none of the per >> Has Elon Musk at all been involved? Has he done anything with you guys or Massie or No, cuz I know Elon has got a relationship with Massie. >> Um, Massie has pledged his support to Epstein Justice, which is which is great. >> Elon has not yet. >> Elon has not. No. >> Okay, got it. Sounds good. Well, Nick, where can people find you? I know we gave the epstejjustice.com. Anything else you want to share before we wrap up? >> Epsteinjustice.com. Uh, there's also a petition there, a change.org petition that you can sign. You can join us in our uh webinars. We have webinars every month on how you can put pressure on your legislators to get them to support what we're doing and to seek justice on behalf of the victims. And as I said, if we don't, this is going to be our best opportunity to stop this. And if we don't stop it now, we're not going to be able to stop it. It's it's going to it's going to keep growing. And 89% of Americans want to see the government with transparency on this. We're with It's not like it's I mean we're talking 89% of Americans. >> Who is the 11% that doesn't? That's who I want to know. The 11% that doesn't want to know. >> They they attack me quite often on the internet and in social media. I've met them. >> Nick, appreciate your work. Keep at it. Um and I hope more people look into it and get more curious about this topic because we just want to find out what happened. It was one of the things that some of the administration promised, not necessarily Trump. I don't put this on Trump because even when uh um uh Campos interviewed him on Fox News, Compos Duffy interviewed u him, he specifically said, "I don't know about Epste." He said yes to 911. He said yes to JFK, but he didn't say yes to 911. Yes to Epstein. Cash Patel did. Uh Banino spoke about it a lot as well as Pam Bondi. And we got nothing so far. So hopefully the leadership team who fumbled this will come through and reveal and release something. They're telling us, >> do you think that's going to happen? >> I don't know if it's going to happen. I think I don't I think everything happens, Nick, with pressure. >> And that's why Epstein justice is so important. >> If there's if there's pressure of this in the right way and it becomes more and more and more and doesn't go away, then eventually yes. If not, it'll go away and then we'll wait another 5 years for another story to come out. And in the interim, the next Epstein is plotting his moves and he's doing what he's doing. >> The only reason why the Epstein story came out, I I firmly believe this is Michael Ryder, the chief of the Palm Beach Police Department, he would not back down. And if it wasn't for him, this wouldn't have come out. If it wasn't for the the Franklin the the Nebraska Senate subcommittee that looked into the Franklin scandal, this never would have come out. >> Him. >> It's Yes, he's a hero. >> Has he been interviewed? Has he >> he was interviewed on a Netflix uh called uh uh Filthy Rich? >> Oh, okay. That's documentary. >> But he he is a hero. Michael Wrighter is a hero. Well, Michael, wherever you are, kudos to you, buddy. Nick, thank you for coming on. Appreciate your time. Thank you so much. Take care, everybody. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. >> Hi, I'm Nick Bryant, and if you want to connect with me, connect with me on MC. You can ask me about Ebstein justice and also all things Ebstein.