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Dava Newman: Role of AI in Space Travel

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Dava Newman addresses the philosophical implications of artificial intelligence in space exploration, specifically referencing the famous scenario from *2001: A Space Odyssey* where HAL 9000 prioritizes mission objectives over astronaut safety. She argues that while this is a compelling ethical question regarding whether an AI made the right choice, future Mars missions will necessitate fully autonomous systems because real-time communication with Earth is impossible due to significant time delays of up to twenty minutes. Consequently, both human crews and robotic systems must operate independently without reliance on Mission Control on Earth, making autonomy a critical design challenge that requires rigorous testing before deployment in deep space environments where immediate intervention is not an option. The necessity for robust autonomy stems from the vast distances involved; whereas lunar missions can be tested with only three-second communication delays allowing for some level of oversight, Mars presents a scenario where systems must function entirely on their own once launched. Newman points to historical examples like Magellan and his crew, who departed Earth fully autonomous and had to rely on in-situ resource utilization upon landing, illustrating the mindset required for future exploration. These missions serve as proving grounds where technologies are validated under conditions of limited connectivity, ensuring that when humanity eventually reaches Mars, the infrastructure is capable of sustaining life and operations without constant terrestrial support. Regarding the extent of AI involvement in decision-making processes, Newman clarifies that humans will remain "in the loop" during system design, though future systems may evolve to handle complex mission decisions independently once deployed on other planets. Currently, however, space-based AI capabilities are heavily focused on Earth-centric applications rather than immediate Mars exploration needs. The technology is being trained using petabytes of data gathered from Earth to address urgent global issues such as climate change and environmental monitoring. By analyzing satellite imagery across ocean systems, land, and air, these advanced algorithms aim to provide actionable insights that can influence human behavior and help society live in balance with the planet. Ultimately, Newman envisions a future where AI acts as powerful tools for curating vast amounts of space data into accessible visualizations that empower individuals to understand Earth's changing climate systems. She emphasizes that before expanding our reach to Mars, there is an immediate imperative to care for "Spaceship Earth" by leveraging current supercomputing resources and artificial intelligence research. The goal is not just technological advancement but the acceleration of positive change through better data analysis and education regarding environmental challenges. By holding future satellite imagery in one's hands via these AI-driven tools, society can make informed decisions that foster sustainability and resilience on our home planet before turning its gaze to the stars.
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I love artificial intelligence and you thought I've also saw that you've enjoyed the movie space obviously 2001 a Space Odyssey let me ask the question about Hal 9000 that makes a few decisions there that prioritizes the mission over the the astronauts do you think from a high philosophical question do you think hell did the right thing prioritizing the mission I think our artificial intelligence will be smarter in the future for a Mars mission it's a great question that is the the reality isn't for a Mars mission you know we need fully autonomous systems we will get humans but they have to be fully autonomous and that's a really important that the most important concept because you know there's not going to be a Mission Control on earth you know I'd you know 20-minute time leg there's just no way you're gonna control so fully a ton so people have to be fully autonomous as well but all of our systems as well and so that's that's the big design challenge so that's why we test them out on the moon as well when we have a okay a few seconds you know a three-second time leg you can test him out we have to really get autonomous exploration down you asked me earlier about Magellan and Magellan and his crew they they left right they were autonomous mm-hmm you know they were autonomous they left and they were on their own to figure out that mission then when they hit land they have resources as the in situ resource utilization and everything else they brought with them so we have to I think have that mindset for expression again back to the moon it's more the testing ground the proving ground with technologies but when we get to Mars it's so far away that we need fully autonomous systems so I think that's that's where again AI and autonomy come in really robust autonomy things that we don't have today yet so they're on the drawing boards but we really need to test them out because that's that's what we're up against so fully autonomous meaning like self-sufficient there's still a role for the human in that picture do you think there will be a time when AI systems just beyond doing fully autonomous flight control will also help or even take mission decisions like how did that's interesting it depends I mean they're gonna be designed by humans as you mentioned humans are always in the loop I mean we might be on earth we might be in orbit on Mars maybe the systems the Landers down on the surface of Mars but I think we're gonna get we are right now just on earth-based systems you know I systems that are incredibly capable and you know training them with all the data that we have now you know petabytes of data from earth what I care about for the autonomy and AI right now how we're applying it and research is to look at earth and look at climate systems I mean that's the it's not for Mars to me today right now AI is two eyes on earth all of our space data compiling that using supercomputers because we have so much information and knowledge and we need to get that into people's hands we need first there's the educational issue with climate and our changing climate then we need to change human behavior that's the biggie so this next decade it's urgent we take care of our own spaceship which is spaceship earth so that's to me where my focus has been for AI systems using whatever is out there kind of imagining also what the future situation is a satellite imagery of Earth of the future if you can hold that in your hands that's gonna be really powerful will that help people accelerate positive change for Earth and for us to live in balance with earth I hope so and kind of start with the ocean systems so oceans to land to air and kind of using all the space data so it's a huge role for artificial intelligence to help us analyze I call it curating the data using the data it has a lot to of visualizations as well you