Banned Priest Reveals What Actually Happens During an Exorcism | Seán ÓLaoire

As a priest, one of the roles of the priest is exorcism. >> Yes. I get a call from another psychologist and she's dealing with a little child. There's some weird stuff happening in the house. I think he needs an exorcism. So, we did an extended hypnotic regression and all of a sudden this adult African-American voice begins to speak through the child. And the story was the family were on vacation in Florida and they came across a crash and as this young African-American man was being killed, the soul of this man takes occupancy of the child's psyche and asks him, "Can you look around and see if there's any light in the environment?" He said, "I can see a light way, way, way in the distance." And he's beginning to feel the love emanating from this golden light. Let go. And he let go. And the child comes back and it never occurred again. >> God's love shines infinitely and the light is always available. >> God is using you to birth a new little child into the world. But that is not the only way mature God can be a father. Whom you're responsible for, primarily for this little girl, but secondarily for a wider community and then finally for a cosmic community itself. But at the beginning of fatherhood, there's this protective instinct of the father to look after the child. But by the time you become a grandfather, now you're protective for all the children of the world. You have no idea what lies ahead of you, Robert. You have no idea what it's going to look like to look into the eyes of your newborn child. It's going to take you places you've never gone before. >> Catholic priests are called fathers. I'm about to be a father. >> You admitted that. >> Who is the father to you? And what is the role that an earthly father >> Mhm. >> has to play in living up to those responsibilities, that archetype and that role in the world. >> Beautiful question. And so, I love to talk in story form and a parabolic form. And the greatest teacher, the greatest parabolist of all time was Jesus himself. So, when you look at his teachings, you know, he uses parables which are kind of really, really succinct, you know, synopses of really deep teaching. So, I defined a term many, many years ago that I call mythish. And mythish is the the articulation of sacred wisdom in story form or in parabolic form. So, you go all the way from great epics that take many days in the telling to kind of vignettes that you can tell in 5 or 6 minutes to parables which are just, you know, a minute to work in the proverbs which are just one-liners. So, you got this level of kind of storytelling all through and I call that mythish. So, I like to go to the parables of Jesus. And um one of the themes he goes back to very frequently come from an agricultural background. Now, some will have to do with fishers, some will have to do with women baking bread, some have to do with merchants and search for fine pearls or whatever, but there's a real emphasis on agricultural kind of the theme in his life. So, one in particular, he says, "The sower went out to sow his seed. And as he sowed, some fell on the on the pathway and the birds came in and ate it up. And some fell on rocks, you know, and it sprouted immediately, lots of sunlight, but it had no roots, so it died. And some fell among thorns and initially it thrived and then the thorns choked it. And then some fell on good soil and it produced 30-fold, 60-fold, 100-fold. Those who have ears to hear, let them listen." So, I began to think about that then vis-a-vis fatherhood. So, the father is the sower, the seed. Literally. I mean, even kind of physiologically, biologically, the father is the sower of the seed. So, what becomes really important then is, you know, how carefully we sow the seed. You know, the term that was used was broadcasting from which we get TV and radio, but broadcasting is an agricultural term. You took a bag of seed, cut it in your hand, and you try to scatter it as widely as possible. This is called broadcasting. Now, the difficulty with broadcasting is you've no current guarantee where the seed is going to land. So, some of them are going to land on, you know, on the pathway, and the birds are going to come and take it immediately. So, I went out and packed those piece by piece. So, I said, "So, who are the birds in this?" Birds in some senses are angelic beings. They have flight. They have ability that we don't have. They have extraordinary navigational capacities. But sometimes they pluck the word out of that has been sown. So, that's sometimes that we kind of false angelic guides who kind of take the word from us. You know, we think they're angelic, but what they're doing is they're they're snatching the word. So, we have to exercise extraordinary discernment, you know, of what spirits that we we call into our lives. Then he said, "Some fall on rock and has no depth of soil, but it's held held in a warm rock, and then it's being fed by the sun, and so it sprouts, but it can't send down roots. So, this is the kind of the temptation to kind of adopt a spiritual path, you know, and get really excited about it, but then it proves too difficult and we give it up like a rabbit." And that's the temptation for us as fathers, you know, as receivers of what the Father has to offer. And the third one he says is thrown among the thorns, you know, and they grow up initially. It's getting the same nutrients that the thorns are getting, but then there's a competition for resources, and particularly a competition for the ingredients of the soil and for the sunlight itself. And so they get choked out. So, that's the situation in which as the Father has sown the seed, that there's a competition to kind of grab the resources offered by the sunlight itself. So, be really really careful that we choose our spots wisely, and then that we have access to the father's love, the continual love, the sunshine. Because I believe that the sun is the the the chief driver of evolution on our planet. I really believe that. We know that there is more information contained in 5 minutes of sunlight on planet Earth than is contained in all of the libraries of planet Earth. Every 5 minutes the sun beams all this information at the planet, which allows us to to connect to to evolve. And so there's this competition for the father's love. And so the father has to be a great enough that, you know, he can't particularize the love. That obviously there are kind of there are ripples and waves and that as a father to be, your chief concern is going to be about your own baby. But you're going to be invited to be a father to a wider community. You're going to be invited to be a father of perhaps a global community. You're going to be invited to be a father of a cosmic community. And so there's this extraordinary journey from the egoic protection of self to the kind of eth- kind of the ethno-centric uh look looking after my own tribe to the egocentricity of looking after the global population to the cosmocentric notion of looking out for the entire universe itself. And so we have to be really careful that as we imitate father love that while while it's particular that we are focused on those closest to us and particularly those who come from our own loins, that we have to have enough love in us to be father to a much much wider community. So I see that that's what he's saying. And he says that father then produce 30 or 60 or 100-fold. Depending on how open you are to fatherhood, you will begin to kind of be a protector of, a nurturer of, and a provider for not just little your little girl who's coming in in June, God willing, you know, but to your I believe listening to your podcasts, the people you interact with in, you know, your teachings, you know, and the kind of the connection that you have uh to the to Gaia Sophia, and the connection that you have to the cosmos itself. So to be big enough to be a father to all those because you're an articulate little source, you're a bite-size piece of God, you're a holographic fractal. So, you contain the totality of the of the source itself. If only only you can access that level of self-awareness that you can disidentify with your mere physicality, with your uh mere etheric uh nature, with your mere astral body, or your mental body, or your psychic body, and even your soul self. Cuz the soul is the the first, you know, um it's the first impediment on the way out from God and the last impediment on the way back into God until finally we merge completely and we realize it is God having all these experiences. So, God is using you to birth a new little child into the world. But, that is not the only way in which you're called to be a father. And so, just to uh to think about that, in what other ways am I being called to be a father? And in what way is this child event that's happening in June, God willing, is that actually preparing me not just to care take for this little baby that I'm bringing to the world, but for the the cosmos itself, which is God's baby. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> And those two go together. >> Absolutely. >> Because the environment, the terrain, the terroir that this little baby girl is going to be born into is the environment that she's going to grow up in and it's going to have as many thorns as there are still. It's going to have as many barren places of rocks, as many birds and pterodactyls even that are out there roaming around. So, I can't just take care of my girl without dedicating myself to the world. So, at least I can look her in the eyes. And when she says like, "You know, Daddy, why?" >> Yeah. >> And then, "Why is the world so cruel?" And I say, "I don't know, my love, but you know, daddy's doing his best. And then I've given it everything I got." And you know, that's what I really feel is yes, like that pure unconditional love and also the willingness of the father to say, "You're perfect as you are and you can do better, too. Little girl, like there's more in you." And I think those are to something that the father says in the same word. Like, "I love you just as you are and there's more. There's even more." And to hold that and to hold that personally and universally is really as I look into what this next phase is going to be like. But first, I feel like I need to be a good father to myself. You know, there's there's a point I think for every boy where the boy has to let go of his earthly father and start connecting with the heavenly father to become the incarnation of a bite-size piece of the father. >> You're absolutely right. And so, there's a great uh there are two great uh episodes in the life of Yeshua where at age eight days old, as a little Jewish boy, he's brought to the temple to be presented to God. So, he's been initiated into the wisdom tradition of his own people. And that's really important that every child has to be kind of initiated into a wisdom tradition. You can't just uh which happens so very, very often, unfortunately, in our world, where we're birthing kids into a totally atheistic uh culture. And then we expect them to thrive and to be able to find answers and satisfaction in vicissitude. And they can't cuz there's nothing much to stand on. And so, he's in he's initiated into the wisdom tradition of his own people, the the Israelites of that period of time. But then there's another story at age 12, where uh the family goes out to Jerusalem from Nazareth, where they were living, and it's like a 3-day journey to get home for the Passover festival. And then on the way back, the first night they're camping, they realize the child is missing, 12-year-old boy, and they're freaking out. And they rush back to Jerusalem to try to find where the hell is he. And at that stage in Jerusalem, the population in Jerusalem was typically about 40,000 people year-round. But for the Passover, it would swell to 1 and 1/2 million, cuz they would come from all over the country to celebrate Passover. So there'd be tented cities all around Jerusalem itself. So where the hell are we going to find our child? And they finally find him inside in the temple. And he's uh talking with the the great experts of the law, and they're These guys are fascinated by his erudition. You know, and his parents come in, his mother says, "Why did you do this to us? Didn't you realize that your father and I have have been looking for you for 3 days? How could you do that to us?" And Christ says very famously, "Did you not know that I must be about my father's business?" So now, it's not that he's abandoning Joseph or his own tradition, but he realizes that I need to step outside my tradition, not by abandoning it, but by transcending it, by looking at all of the other great wisdom traditions of the world, and cross-fertilizing the them with my my birth tradition. And that's my real father. My real father is the father of the cosmos, not just the the father of who looked after me in in Nazareth. And some of the stories would claim that at that at that stage, he started actually on a kind of a a world tour, if you like, that he may have been related to Joseph of Arimathea, who was a tinsmith, and that Joseph of Arimathea would travel particularly to Cornwall in Southwest England to great tin mines tin mines and elsewhere, and that he took the little 12-year-old boy with him. So that this little kid is exposed to Celtic druid teaching. He may have gone down to Egypt and been exposed to the mystery schools of Egypt, and so he'd been trained in so many different wisdom traditions that he can then cross-fertilize them. And the possibility is that there's nothing said about him from age 12 to age 13, there's 18 missing years. And a lot of traditions claim that he actually traveled much further afield, that he may have visited Persia and been influenced by Zoroastrianism. He may have gone to India and been influenced by uh Hinduism and Buddhism. You know, in fact, when you look at the eight beatitudes and you look at the kind of the eightfold path of the Buddha, they're almost identical. And so that he was exposing himself not to some of the other great wisdom traditions, and then he comes back at age 30 and he's ready for his public mission. And he starts with a baptism. Interesting. A baptism followed by a desert experience of 40 days, and he says, "Now, I'm ready to go." You know, he'd come. And so that in some senses, the father had to change its meaning about for the child and for the father. That you as the father have to change a whole whom you're responsible for. Primarily for this little girl, but secondarily for a wider community, and then finally for a cosmic community itself. And that that that is the job of the father to continue to widen the the scope of its interest. And what I've seen in my own life is that, you know, with the beginning of fatherhood, there's this fascination with the child and the protective instinct of the father to look after the child. But by the time you become a grandfather, now you're protective for all the children of the world. Almost immediately, you go from a kind of personal kind of commitment to a little one individual to a a global community of little children that whatever there are children in the world suffering in any way, you're father to them. And so that you're on the beginning of a journey, and this is a very important stage where you're going to be exposed. You have no idea what lies ahead of you, Aubrey. You have no idea. What it's going to look like to look into the eyes of your newborn child. I guarantee you. It's going to take you places you've never gone before. But it's going to She's going to be a conduit, not a a final location. She's going to be a conduit for you to look into the eyes of all the children of the world, all the species of the world, the global community itself, you know, and be father to all of those. >> Yeah. Yeah, I I with you over these past few days, I've put myself in that position. And what's really come through is the responsibility to the future. And I think I've had an orient- orientation to being in service as I could to the world, and I've had my own quest to study with the great traditions and the plant medicine traditions and the different ways to get to know a different face of God through different language and through different practices, different prayers, different sacraments. But to be honest, I've been more concerned with the present reality than the future reality because there was some part of my connection to the future which was abstract. And with a daughter who, God willing, will have her own children and birth them, I can feel the the kind of dendrites, the the start of this deep connection to the future. And I think that's something that when you look at many of the monuments that have survived from ancient civilizations, you can kind of feel that they were sending messages, putting time capsules out for the future, for us. And I think we're remembering them now. We're seeing them, we're discovering them, we're seeing the sacred geometry, we're seeing how they're aligned to sacred time, not Gregorian time, but the time of of Earth and the Sun and the Moon. And that was a covenant with the future. And to me that depicts an extremely high level of consciousness. >> Absolutely. >> That's even beyond the impressiveness of their geometry or the straightness of the lines that they could carve, the weight of the stones that they could move. All of that is wildly impressive. But what's more impressive is that they loved the future enough to leave us Easter eggs and messages so that we could find our way as we're lost in the woods and grappling with our own 40 days in the desert. >> That's really powerful. Really powerful. And it brings up for me the misunderstood notion of perfection. You know, there's a famous step in the in the Gospels where Jesus says, "You must be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect." Now, it's interesting that that's Matthew's version of it. Luke's version is you must be compassionate as your heavenly Father is compassionate. So, we just break those two asunder for a little bit. Jesus is speaking in Aramaic, but the New Testament is written in Greek, so the problem is a problem of of translation. So, the word, you know, when when Jesus says, "You must be compassionate as your heavenly Father is compassionate," the word for compassion in Aramaic is rahamim. And rahamim is the plural of the word for a womb. And when Christ talks about, you know, when you talk to the Father in heaven, the word he's using in Aramaic is abwoon. And abwoon is not a gender-specific parent. It is the birthing principle of the cosmos. So, here's what he's saying is, "You must be womb-like as the birthing principle of the cosmos itself is a womb." And so, that, you know, our our job is to give birth to God. Meister Eckhart would say very famously, "You know, of what use to me is it that my savior was born of a virgin 1,300 years ago if he's not born again in my time and in my heart?" Every single one of us is meant to be a mother of God. And so, this abwoon and compassion is about, you know, um, being womb-like and that the what does a womb do? It conceives, it carries, and it gives birth sequentially, not just once. So, the first thing we do often is as little children newborns, we identify with our physicality. We stick our finger in our mouth and our toe in our mouths, you know, and we're what is this thing? You know, and then we realize like this is me. So, the first identification is with my physiology. And then about age seven months, I begin to identify with my ego. Somebody calls my name, I realize that me this is the person they're talking with. There's three people in the room. There's one name being used and they know that's me. So, now I'm identified with the name. So, you know, my identification has to do with with the ego. And then at some stage, I begin to identify with my emotions. I think I am my emotions. Then I begin to think I am my thoughts. Then I begin to think I am my profession, you know, or my am my am my reputation. And I'm none of those things. I'm a bite-size piece of God who volunteered for incarnation in order to be a birthing principle of the cosmos. That that's what fatherhood really really means. Now, the the other version then in Matthew's gospel is you must be perfect as your heavenly father is perfect. But the word that's written in the Greek is telos. And telos the word from which we get the English word teleology. And teleology means to be attracted toward a goal. So, that my present actions are predicated on something I want to achieve. And so, perfection is not about a stainless steel sinlessness. It is being It's being radically committed to the purpose for which I incarnated when I said hinani, here I am, send me. That that's what profession consists of. And so, it becomes really really important then that I'm preparing the future. When you talk about those beautiful images of the messages that the kind of they gave us from at the distant past because they knew the circumstances in which we were going to find ourselves and they were like breadcrumbs to help us not get lost. And so, your daughter is going to be a teleological agent for you. She's going to allow you to look at the future and prepare her for the future. And then you have to be a good prophet. And we misunderstand what prophecy means. A prophet is not somebody who predicts the future. A prophet is somebody who prevents the future. That's what the job of a prophet is. A prophet can see clearly where we're headed, and say, you know, you know, this is where we're headed. Now, if you don't want to go to that destination, here are some changes you need to make. And that's the great function of the prophet, to give us alternative routes to the future. And so, that's what it means to be a father than to be perfect. It's to be able to create an alternative route to the future for your daughter, and for your grandchildren, and your great-grandchildren. Because at some level of you, when you operate from your soul self, you can see the trajectories, you can see where uh lines are going to move, and the possibilities of the conjunctions of circumstances are going to lead to particular kinds of outcomes, some which are good, and some which are not good. And so, you're going to try to uh load the dice for your child and for your grandchildren, so that they're continually choosing kind of options that create peace in our times and love amongst us. So, uh that for me is just the beauty of the signs we've been given by past prophetic figures in all great mystical traditions. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> We just went through a beautiful baptism, and never in my life did I think I would go through a baptism until I met you. And uh but it was it was beautiful, and I felt the power of it, and just a line of demarcation. I've gone through many very sacred and real ceremonies, and this is as sacred and real as any ceremony I've ever been through. And that's also a choice to to give it that power and authority, and it's not going to do it on its own. But one of the elements of this that you mentioned in Yeshua's story is that he went off afterwards for 40 days into the desert to wrestle with Satan. >> Yes. >> Who, what is Satan >> Okay. >> to you? >> Okay. So, for me there's this kind of almost like a bifurcation because in the process of the kind of emanation from God, and I don't believe in creatio ex nihilo, creation out of nothing. I don't think God goes into his workshop in the morning and says, "Ah, think I'll create elephants today." And then choose to think I'll create mosquitoes today. That is not creatio ex nihilo, creation out of nothing. It is emanatio ab deo. Plotinus, very famous 2nd century philosopher, said, "I don't believe in creatio ex nihilo. I believe in emanatio ab deo. I believe in emanation from source rather than creation from nothing." And I'm sure you've had this experience yourself. Somebody gave me a gift a few years ago of a potted plant, and it was just a bulb inside in a container. And I'm dreadful at growing stuff. I either overwatered or I underwatered. And she said to me very simple. She said, "Stick your finger in the clay. If it's wet, leave it alone. If it's dry, put water in it." So, I did. And after about a month, this huge big elegant green stalk came out of it, you know? And about 4 weeks more, four beautiful purple trumpet flowers came out from the top. And I asked myself the question, did the bulb create this stalk? And I said, "No, the bulb did not create this stalk. The stalk was emanation of the essence of the bulb. And did this stalk create the flowers? No, the flowers were the essence of the bulb itself. So, there's it's just manifesting in different stages. And so, that that's how kind of evolution evolves. Now, in that process of evolution, various forms came into being, angelic beings at various levels, 10-dimensional beings, 3-dimensional beings, 2-dimensional beings, whatever. And we happen to be in three-dimensional bodies right now. But there are beings above us. And particularly, there are two choices of the beings at the very top. Either the the Luciferic, which is sometimes called Satan, and Lucifer literally means carrier of light. And so, these are kind of that is kind of what I call pseudo-mysticism where people pursue ascetical practices hoping that asceticism itself would win God's favor. And so, we want to distance ourselves from the earth itself, a kind of in a in the the the kind of the dark side of Gnosticism, which is that the earth is evil. You need to separate yourself from the body is evil. It's full of temptations, so we need to separate. So, the Luciferic impulse or is an aspect of Satan that brings us into our color as pseudo-mysticism, rejection of the world. And then the Ahrimanic impulse is the opposite, which is to be a so enamored of the body and the and the world and our sensorial and our sensuality and our technology that we think there is nothing afterwards and we're totally fixated on the here and the now. And so, there's this epic battle that goes on between the two. So, Satan sometimes is used as a kind of a an overlay for those two kind of diverging kind of temptations, to eschew the world completely and not for a pseudo-mysticism or to embrace the world completely and ignore the spiritual or the after afterwards. And I see then that there's you've got these two sets. The overlap is where Christ consciousness resides. And for me, Christ consciousness is the very same thing as Buddha nature or a self-realization cuz it's it's the place is the vulva through which the new self identity comes through. And it's an identity that, you know, there's a soul self, there's a soul self, and there's a role self. So, my role self is shown in playing the role of an Irish guy with an in Irish accent today. But that's not who I am. You know, I'm an ancient being who was never born and will never die, my soul self. But that itself was an emanation from source. And there's Aubrey Marcus. Aubrey has a particular name, he's particular kind of a skill set, he's got a particular physiology, but he's not any of those things. He's an eternal being who was never born and will never die. I know you're being the conduit for another soul to come in and she'll inhabit a spacesuit. And you'll fall in love with her. And she'll have a personality that you'll fall in love with. But what you need to really fall in love with and kind of monitor and be fathered to is her soul self. So that she never misidentify. That she never really thinks she is her body just or her or her beauty just or her intellect just or her talents just. But that she is literally a holographic fractal of source itself. And so then we have to avoid these two extremes about the kind of the the pseudo-mysticism that is skewed the world or the kind of the mechanistic world of transhumanism that adopts technology in place of divinity. >> We are in unprecedented times and the first thing that arises is a need for safety. How do I ensure my own safety and sovereignty so I can protect myself and my family and also contribute to a better world. And so one of the things that I think is really important is to recognize where you are holding your value. And right now a lot of us are holding our value in cash. What is cash? Cash is promises made in paper or plastic from governments that we know we can't trust. But what has real value? Precious metals. And this is why I created the mint metalmark.com mtlmrk.com. Precious metal currency. I believe it's the future. It has real tangible value and we're combining it with the collectible value of incredible artists like Frank Frazetta and many more to come. 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Me and my family are safe and well and we're able to support those that we love. I want you to be that person as well. So, I'm going to be talking about that a lot more. So, make sure you like and subscribe to the channel and follow me on social media at Aubrey Marcus. Thanks for your attention. We're in this together. All for one, one for all. Let's go. Yeah, I think that's a beautiful explanation of what is kind of classically the Rosicrucian trinity, you know, of of Ahriman, Lucifer, and Christ. You know, to me Satan has its own distinct qualities as a as a force of resistance or negation. You know, this thing that's actually both deceiving and it it can carry deception carries through the Luciferic impulse. Eschew the body and just go into this pseudo mysticism and, you know, be holier-than-thou and just only rise the light and ignore the beauty and the bounty of this sensual erotic world that we live in. And then the other side, the Ahrimanic, to reduce everything to its what can be weighed and measured and again eschew the the holy and the and the sacred, you know, flame of the divine that that can allow us to rise like a like a hot air balloon into the ethers. So, yes to both of those. And then there's another force that's just a deceiver. Something that seeks to actually take our God-given potential and diminish it and invert it. And to me that force will work as hard as it can to actually do the opposite of what we're striving to do. And it'll use many different tactics. Lies. It'll use a voice in our head to berate us. And you know, in the in the new book that I'm about to turn in now, I've just named that force anti-you. Which includes all of these different elements. The seducer, the reducer, you know, the separator, the all of these different elements that I've felt in my own life and I've been in my own you know, contestation with this force. And it's been a a lot longer than 40 days in the desert. It's more been 40 years in the desert. You know, I remember my first encounter with something that was just so strange to me. I was I had a beautiful family. Yes, there was divorce and this there was some challenges, but I love my life and everything was good. And I remember I walk up to a ledge and I just hear this voice that says, "Jump." And I was like, "What the [ __ ] is that?" Where did that thought come from? And I asked my dad. And he gave a psychological answer. He said, "Well, Freud talked about the death impulse and but there was something else that I could feel resisting me. And I've tracked it and ultimately that force, you know, I believe took my father. You know, and that and so I've dedicated a big portion of my path to exploring and excavating what that is. And that process continues. I think but also I I read a I read a quote that you said and you put it on your Instagram actually and I thought it was really beautiful and so I'm going to I'm going to read it here you probably remember it. Whoever Satan is we are meant to work with that reality in order to grow spiritually. And that to me has been the ultimate lesson is that this is the iron that sharpens iron like this is the force that drives us to our own greatness. This is Magic Johnson and Larry Bird and Ali and Evander Holyfield it's the great rival that by the act of contestation and competition with that force it actually is a force that drives evolution like we need that resistance. We need a workout that tears our muscles down so we get stronger we need the cold so that we can build the resilience in our mitochondria to give us more fuel like we need this force actually and we cannot let it win and that that kind of commitment to contest with those with those forces and all of its many faces has been a big dedication in my life and I think recognizing the gratitude ultimately for the opponent. The adversary and saying like thank you. And you know like it's like a bow across from a dojo mat like bring your you know bring your worst and I'm bringing my best and you know we'll see what happens. >> That's beautiful. So it reminds the good the great story in the Hebrew scriptures the the book of Job. Which was actually written about the time when the last two tribes of Israel are in exile in Babylon and they come under the influence of Zoroastrianism which has a huge influence on Judaism subsequently and therefore on Christianity subsequently. And the story of Job is basically is a very simple Semitic tale of just three chapters but this split is after chapter two and there's 39 chapters in between, which is kind of philosophical and theological reflections on a very simple symmetric tale. And the symmetric tale is just about, you know, a very, very righteous man called Job, and he had sons and daughters and herds and people working for him, a very, very, very, very well-off man, and very, very religious, very dedicated to his God. And um there's a the sons of God meet in heaven, and God says, "What do you think about my servant Job? Isn't that something?" And Satan says, "Easy for him. You've blessed him. You've given him lots of herds, great kids, very, very wealthy man, he's got servants. Why wouldn't he?" Now, the interesting the word Satan is actually an adversary in the sense of the kind of the devil's advocate in the sense of somebody who wants to kind of test for what reason is he being good. And so Satan says to him, "Yeah, take away his herds and see what happens." And so the next story is then raiders come in and they take all his his herds and his all his all his herds. And Job continues to pray and to praise God. And God says to Satan, "See? I told you he wouldn't lose it." Satan says, "Fine. You know, you can take his herds. How about what happens if you kind of took his kids?" God says, "Okay, have at it." And the elder brother's holding a party and he invites all his siblings to the party and when they're there, the roof collapses and all the kids are killed. And Satan comes to God comes back to Satan and Satan's still praising God. At least um Job is still praising God. And God says to Satan, "See? I told you. Even the last of his kids didn't phase him." And Satan says, "Yeah, I mean, people will suffer the loss of their property and even of their kids, but you touch his own physical body and see what happens." God says, "Okay, have at him." And so Job is covered with this boils of all kinds of pus emanating from every part of him, and he's sitting on a dung heap and he's scraping with pieces of stones to try to get the pus out of his system, you know? And the Job's comforters arrive and say, "You must have done something wrong. You must be a a secret sinner. God wouldn't punish you if you were good." And Job would say, "No, no, there's nothing. I kept the law of God. I love my God. I've not done nothing wrong." No, no, you couldn't have. There's some secret sin. Fess up, you know, or something worse is going to happen. And finally Job loses his cool because he says, "Why the [ __ ] are you doing this to me? I kept all the rules. I've loved you. I've obeyed you every time. Why are you doing this to me?" And then God makes this really ridiculous response. He says, "Yeah, who are you to question me? Were you there when I fashioned the earth? When I divided it? When I said to the waves, 'Thus far shall thou come and no further.' Were you there at that stage?" And he berates Job and finishes it and says, "I'm really sorry." And the end The end of the story is that don't argue with God, you know? We have no idea why God is doing what God is doing. Now, it's a terrible philosophy, if you like, but it's a recognition of the fact, you know, that even keeping the law or being a good person is no guarantee that shit's not going to happen to us. So, how do you survive that? So, it's a totally different kind of philosophy. And Jung wrote a whole section on this. But my uh this notion of theodicy then is the is the biggest problem in theology. It's called theodicy. Why do bad things happen to good people? And that's something I've put a a lot of thought into. So, part of me feels like why did you um Wim Hof uh go naked up a mountainside in for sub-zero conditions? You know, why why did you test yourself? You wanted to see what you're capable of. You did it. So, you could have stayed at home and just watched television. Watched some some other dude do it. But you you wanted to feel it yourself. And so there are there are beings up there, you know, souls who say, "I want to sign up for a really difficult lesson. I want to see if I can remember who I am even in three-dimensional density. Even when [ __ ] happens, can I still remember that I'm a bite-size piece of God? Bring it on. Let me experience it." And God says, "Okay. If you think you're up for it, go for it." So, there's nobody don't have it because God forces us to come down. And there are no circumstances in our lives, you know, where God is just testing us. You know, we just we're dropped into improv theater and we roll with the punches. You know, and I believe that my experience is that souls at much higher levels, angelic beings, are totally amazed at the courage of those souls who volunteer for incarnation in the three-dimensional world because they know it's always equally balanced light and dark, good and evil. And they always still find a send me, I'll go down there and I will still try to remember who I am. And when I look into the face of my enemy, I'll try to remember that that is also a bite-size piece of God on planet Earth. And so we're we're we're testing ourselves with different kinds of vicissitude and the object of the exercise always the same. Can I remember myself? Can I remember that I'm a bite-size piece of God? And much more importantly, perhaps, can I look into the face of somebody else and recognize that that too is a bite-size piece of God? And can I treat them as as such? And that for me then becomes that's the the the greatness of the Satan or the greatness of these figures that they're they're they're they're testing us in order for to prove for us to prove for ourselves that no matter the situation, I can still remember who I am, where I came from, and why I came. >> Mhm. Mhm. That as an operating philosophy >> Mhm. >> is probably the most important and valuable operating philosophy is to say whatever happens it happened for me. And, you know, thank you. And maybe you don't even know why. >> Yeah. >> But that is a choice. I think Victor Frankl Yes. was right when he said that that's the last of the great human freedoms is the ability to choose your attitude towards any given circumstance. >> Absolutely. >> And this is I think a big challenge in this victim culture that has developed which is always blaming what is happening on somebody else or something else or, you know, just kind of alleviating their own culpability in whatever or or opportunity at the very least, even if it's not their fault. You know, there's an opportunity that's available and that we have the power to choose our attitude. And the best of us have always done that. They've always chosen that, all right, like this is this is my circumstance. I'm going to love my fate, amor fati. And I'm going to move forward from here. >> You're absolutely right, Aubrey, because there's no circumstance, there's no relationship, there's no event that happens that cannot be harvested for good. There's a a brilliant story that Jesus tells one saying about him a very rich man who had a steward who was in charge of all his property. And he found out after years that this guy was embezzling his his property. So, he calls him to the county. He says, "I want to see the books." And the guy said, "Holy [ __ ] what am I going to do now?" I'm told get a real job. I'm too embarrassed to beg. What am I going to do? So, he calls in all his master's debtors and he says, you know, "And John, how much do you owe my master?" And the guy says, "100 barrels of of wine." "Take Here's your bill, make it 60." And he calls somebody else, you know, "Michael, how much do you owe my master?" You know, "100 bushels of wheat." "Here's your bill, make it 70." And then Christ said a very strange thing. He said the master praised the unjust steward in so far as he had acted wisely. Because the children of this world are wiser to their kind than the children of light. Now, was he praising this guy's duplicity? Absolutely not. He was saying, "This was a man, the steward, who could turn every single situation to his own economic advantage." When he was a steward, he was embezzling the property. But even when he got fired, he was looking for backsheesh. You know, I I cut your bill in half, you know, I want to see some payback. So, he was able to turn every situation to his own economic advantage. And Christ is saying, "Why can't you do that? Why can't you turn every situation that you find yourself to your own spiritual advantage. There's no circumstance in your life There's no relationship in your life. There's no occasion in your life which you can't harvest for your soul's growth and for any of your contribution to developing Christ consciousness in our planet. So, it's not about what's happening to you. It's what are you going to do with it? >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> What has happened to our culture? Why do we not praise and venerate the true essence of the archetype of the father in our culture? How did we get to where we are now? >> I think, you know, there's a pendulum swing between the total overemphasis on the patriarchal energy and then the kind of the the swing back to the matriarchal notion. This notion that if we could only replace men with women, we'd live in ultimate peace. And certainly we see in our time there are as many crooked women in politics and other areas of life as there were men before them. So, the solution is not just replacing men with women. That's not the solution. The solution is the equal balancing of the yin and the yang energies. And so, for me, you know, yin and yang predate even gender affiliation. That the soul has no gender whatsoever. But when the child decides to incarnate in planet Earth, you know, there's a gender it has to attach itself to. But that in fact we're we're way beyond gender. I gave a whole retreat to my own community a few years ago which I called spirituality beyond beyond gender. And for me it's the realization that, you know, the Carl Jung said it really really beautifully as well, kind of the balance between the anima and the animus. So, that the anima is the fem- the female aspect of the male psyche and the animus is the male aspect of the female psyche. And that we're meant to bring those in balance. But there are two kinds of balance. There's a systemic balance and there's a personal balance. So, I think there are situations in which, you know, there's a need for masculine energy in a particular group of people and some people will be able to demonstrate that more than than others. And there are other situations where there's there's more need for the feminine energy. And a community has to have enough people who can satisfy the entire spectrum of the male-female balance. And then within the individual person, there's the balance within myself. In what instance am I being called is my feminine archetype being called forth? In which circumstances my male aspect being called forth? And there are two stories, you know, that really make sense to me about this. I saw a story a few years ago about a woman driving a two-ton truck, and the truck overturned in an accident, over slipped over. And somehow she had a little child in the car, and the truck landed with the child just pinned underneath it. Two ton two tons. And she got her two feet to number one tap, and she lifted two tons of truck and pulled the child out from underneath it. So, here's a woman now who's totally gone into her yang energy, what she needed to rescue this little kid. And then of course she takes it and puts it to her breast. Now, she's gone from her yang energy to her yin energy. So, that's an instance where an individual at an individual basis to know when is it appropriate to rely on the yang and when on the yin. There's another story I saw of wildfires in Australia just a few years ago. And there's this video of this big big big rugged firefighter inside with flames all around and smoke all around. And there's this tiny little koala bear who came out of the forest, and this forest is on fire. And he's going to help him out. And then he takes a bottle and puts a nipple on the bottle, and he's feeding the little koala bear. He's holding the koala bear here. And the little thing is sucking crazily, using his fingers to kind of to milk it. And there's this big strong masculine yang energy rescuing this, and what does he do? It's almost like he's breastfeeding it. He flips into his yin energy. So, for me then it's a balance between in what circumstances do I need to call forth my yin my my feminine energy and in what circumstances do I need to call forth my yang energy as an individual person? And in communities, you know, it is appropriate that some will have more developed yang and some more developed yin, and they should be complementary to each other. But it's like we're forcing everybody to be yang now. Women don't want to be women anymore very often. They want all of them to be yang. And so, you know, there there there is no feminine energy left. There's very little feminine real feminine energy left. And I'm not saying that we should deny women, you know, public positions of any kind. We need them. But we need them to come in with their femininity, not with kind of an an overpowering animus sphere, you know? I had a really the first like upsetting experience I had when I came to the States in 1987. I was downtown in Palo Alto, and I was approaching I opened an account in the Bank of America in Palo Alto Lytton Spring Lytton Road. And I'm walking up to the front door. It was a big big glass door, and I pulled the door open, and just when I stepped through, and I see this young woman, maybe 25 26, coming up behind me. I hold the door till they were through. And she says, "I can open the door myself." Taking holy [ __ ] What did I just do wrong? So, you couldn't be a gentleman, you know, in this kind of culture? So, being a gentleman was some kind of a reduction of her femininity instead of an embrace and an acknowledgement of her feminine. That was a It was an act of love and kindness, not superiority, you know? There are things that you can give me that I can't give myself, and things I can give you that you can't give yourself. And so, it's the complementarity of functionality is so important. But we've gone totally overboard. So, the first lecture I ever gave when I came to school here, there were 23 of us in the class, and each of us had to give a lecture to the group. And after about I was in the States about 2 months at that stage, and I was shocked by this kind of the kind of the rift between the male and the female. And so, I titled my talk I titled it patriarchy, matriarchy, and hatriarchy. And my thesis was, you know, we can't just swing from from patriarchy to matriarchy because right now we're stuck in hatriarchy. It's about hatred. So, there were 23 guys in the class, people in the class. There were um five guys and 18 women. And all of the women's husbands were working and get paying the school fees for these women to attend college and they spent a non-stop time complaining about their husbands, the [ __ ] they were and whatever. And these are the guys who are working so these can go to college. I'm watching this performance, yeah, and it's really upsetting to me that this is kind of uh this blatant hatred you masquerading as feminine liberation. So, we need to kind of find that balance again. We desperately need the female and the male in balance. We can't afford just this endlessly or periodic swinging from one extreme to the other. We've certainly come out of a time of a time when patriarchy has kind of oppressed the feminine and now it feels to me like the feminine is in danger of oppressing the masculine. So, how can we find the balance without having to go through these pendulum swings non-stop? I think that's part of our our our journey here. And that we'll make the breakthrough only when women acknowledge their femininity and work from that as their contribution and men acknowledge their masculinity and work from that. But that each person is also kind of um cultivating the opposing part of themselves. But the balance may not be 50/50. Maybe the right balance is 70/30. That the 70% that aligns with my with my with my gender and 30% resides with my kind of mindset. And that that's perhaps the ideal balance and all that, but it's not 50/50. That's not going to work. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> There's a seed of something wise in this whole gender discussion that's now been raging and I think probably reached its zenith a little while ago, although you just told me a story about something that happened in Ireland and you can maybe touch on that. But the seed is the soul doesn't have a gender. Yeah. And that actually we're all a unique mix of many different percentages and micro percentages and little quarks of femininity and masculinity and we can cultivate these. So, you know, in Ireland uh you know, you might as well tell the story and then I'll finish my point from there. >> Yeah, sure. I mean, for me this is kind of woke counter total extreme. It's bad enough here that they're claiming I don't know what the the converse is LGBTQ or something >> Plus plus plus plus plus. >> Uh a piece of legislation went through the Irish Parliament about five or six months ago. The Irish Parliament is called the Dáil, you know, and they passed a piece of legislation which formally recognizes and legislates for 57 different genders. And as this woman was reading about in in the Parliament, you know, so that could be approved by the group, she couldn't even pronounce half of them and I didn't have no idea what they what they meant. But some of some genius came up with the idea that there's not two, there's not three, there's not just five or six, there's actually 57. And the Irish Constitution has to recognize these 57. And each person who self-proclaims in one of these 57 categories must be given the same rights and privileges as everybody else. But not just equality before the law, uh primacy over the law. That their agenda is much more important than the 95% of people who identify with their their their their sexual organs. >> I know I'm a man cuz I have a penis and a prostate. You know, so um somehow this tiny minority is like it's not even >> the tail is wagging It's like there's a single hair on the tail of the dog that's that's that's why wagging the the entire dog. So, this kind of craziness that we can't recognize, you know, what is a man. Um this idea that you can have you could have a you know, a um a a 250-lb 6'4" man competing on a basketball court, you know, with a 5'2" woman and claim that that's okay. So, what we're we're looking for equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity. If you have equality of outcome, then you're reducing everybody to the lowest common denominator. So, there'll be no there'll be no great great athletes anymore, no great intellects anymore because you're trying to get equality of outcome and it's impossible. You have different inputs, you have different abilities, you have different interests and it's important that people everybody have the same opportunity, but very very quickly you'll find out, you know, who's going to make it to the to the NBA finals very quickly, you know. It's not somebody who's just dropped a a basketball for the first time and doesn't know how to dribble, but he needs not just equal opportunity to demonstrate his ability, but equal outcome. If he's not getting the same number of points in the game, there's something wrong with the game. There's not something wrong with him. It's the game is is wrong. So, you got to change the rules of the game to make sure, you know, that this guy gets the same number of points as, you know, you know, Michael Jackson or somebody. I'm putting the wrong name there. Who's the >> Jordan. >> Michael Jordan. >> Yeah. >> I mean, maybe a maybe Michael Jackson could hoop. I don't know. >> He would do it he would >> do it with some style. >> Does his stuff be a great basketball player. Great shuffle, but no. >> You know, I think the ridiculousness to me is that they're taking an idea which has some truth in that we are unique gender. However, to make 57 is absurd. There's 8 billion actually. So, if there's 8 billion genders, however many people there are, there are that many unique genders. And guess what? Your name will suffice to describe your unique mix of masculine and feminine energies. So, 57 is actually just wildly confusing. Let's just stop it, too. Oh, yeah. Stop it, too, or go all the way to 8 billion and allow everybody to be their own unique gender. And it just seems like very very simple to understand and then we try to make these these moves and these this is part of the confusion that I think we're you know we're entering and you know there's you can track the antecedent causes of all of this and you know there were people who were in a body that didn't express the dominant you know gender of that body. So a woman who wanted to express the masculine energy or a biological man who wanted to express his feminine energy and they were historically potentially bullied and and there's a variety of different things. So that needed to be corrected but as you said the pendulum it just swings way too far and hopefully in our time there'll be some some balance restored. I mean there was a congressional hearing where a congressman was asking a doctor if men could if men could get pregnant and she was unwilling to just say no and we even have a little emoji. And it's we're getting beyond this place where actually language is used to help us make sense. Language is used to confuse us. It's like Orwellian doublethink and everybody's having to use the appropriate double speak less this often mob will come and just launch pixels and attacks and and try to keep us in this strange state of confusion and it seems like there's this force you know this satanic force even that wants to sow these seeds of dissent, separation, confusion to keep us from uniting and as one people and as one people then we can represent one Gaia and then we can all be working together you know and it's yes there's people participating in it but it just really seems like there's another force and and that's something that I've identified as a father as well as like, you know, there's a great reggae song from Max Romeo and he says we got to put on an iron shirt and kick the devil out of Earth. You know, and that's really what it feels like to me. It's like, okay, like you have your cosmic role. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> And not here. >> Yeah. >> Not in my home, not in myself. You know, because the best place to go find the devil is in the mirror. >> Mhm. >> You know, like like you want to know? Like go look in the mirror. You'll You'll see all of it in there if you look carefully enough. And you have the humility and the courage to look, you'll see all of it. >> Right. >> And so kick it out of your own home, your own vessel. Kick it out of your family and then eventually push it out and say >> Okay. >> go for it, have at it in the cosmos. We appreciate you, but not here, not right now. You know, this is this is my own sacred no. This is where I draw the sword of love and truth and I create a boundary. >> Yeah. Pretty beautiful. And so I mean, I think I've said to you before that, you know, I've been seeding my dreams since started recording my dreams in 1979. Uh and I seed them. So I I propose a kind of a question to my higher self or my angelic guides or whatever before I go to bed at night and then hope for an answer when I'm sleeping. And I posed this question some years ago, um what is the distinction between sin and evil? And the response I got in in my dream was that a sin is the the kind of the the individual breach of a culturally created precept. Sin is just breaking human human law. Whereas evil is a cosmic conspiracy using human intermediaries to separate souls from source. So I think you and I in a conversation yesterday or the day before you mentioned Ephesians chapter 6 where Paul says our struggle is not the forces of the earth, but against uh, the demons of the skies in some senses That literally there are much more advanced beings than than us, you know, who are intellectually superior to us and technologically superior to us, but not necessarily morally superior. You know, there's this great balance always between science and conscience. The word conscience actually means conscientia, which that which goes along with knowledge. So, you got science, and that which goes along with science is called conscience, conscience. But there's this total imbalance between science and conscience. And so, the fact that you can develop something doesn't mean that you should develop it. A form of technology that could prove really, really destructive. The fact that you can intellectually, you know, develop it doesn't mean that sociologically you should go ahead and and do it anyway, having no idea of what the outcome would be. >> Are you saying that the Wuhan lab shouldn't have developed COVID-19? >> Let me revisit that. >> I mean, come on. Of course, that was a great idea. >> It's It's It's deadly. Absolutely deadly. And so, for me then, I really believe that there are there are beings out there, either extra-dimensionals, you know, who don't have physicality at all, or extraterrestrials who do have some form of a kind of physiology, who are much more technologically advanced than than we are. Not just kind of in in kind of mechanical technology, but even in kind of psychic abilities. But that they're not necessarily moral or spiritually developed. And that, um, since they have evolved to extent that they have, they've gone way beyond our sexual They have no sexual organs anymore. They can't They don't feed themselves anymore. They're not using food. So, that little slit for arms. And so, they're totally focused on rational development like left-brain activity. So, they're going way, way beyond, you know, the human being, the physiology of the human being. And the only way they feed themselves, they're fed energetically by by creating, you know, war, rage, anger, jealousy, all these kinds of things. and that the energy generated by those is actually their food. That's what they what nourishes them. Yeah? >> Parasites. >> Total parasites, energetic parasites, totally. And so they're fomenting all kinds of occasions on planet Earth to divide us. And the the most extreme version is kind of kind of global conflicts. But they've gone right down to kind of basics, entertainment. Take over the entertainment industry and kind of indoctrinate little children in pornography. They take over kind of the family, split the family. Parents are no longer the right to determine, you know, what the kids are being exposed to in schools. So a child can determine to change gender and the parents are not even advised about it. Children can be inoculated without the without the parents' consent. Parents themselves are forced to take an inoculation if they want to go to a movie or kind of a venue of various kinds. So it's like we're splitting the the most important unit is the male-female bond. And they've been hell-bent to suppress that, to create division between the male and the female. The next level up is the family system. Then they split the family system and they're hell-bent on doing that. The next thing up is kind of the communities. So how do you split communities? Then next, how do you split cultures from each other? Then how do you split nations from each other? Then how do you split, you know, humans from nature itself? So again and again and again, they're looking at all the kind of the weak points which heretofore had been our strengths and now they're kind of sowing dissent in all of those arenas. And so it's a calculated kind of it's a calculated algorithm and it's now reaching proportions where, you know, even little children are being indoctrinated by everything to which they're exposed, the educational system, their their technologies, their their screens, you know, the entertainment to which they're subject. And so that's the most devastating kind of a That that's the most devastating kind of child abuse for me. That you're separating kids from their their parents, you know, and then and introducing kids to all kinds of kind of really demonic ideas and the and the that the pursuit of entertainment or education. >> Mhm. Love is inherently subversive to the ideology that of separation and divisiveness and and the seating of control cuz love actually is what inspires the hero. You know, and the heroes will rise when there's enough love. But if you if you eradicate love, then there's no resistance anymore, you know, and then the the hellscape can emerge and cuz love is fundamentally subversive to all of that. And so you you uh you're still a priest, although, you know, the Catholic Church didn't like the ways that you were that you were actually experiencing the gnosis of God and the heretical beliefs that you held to the doctrines and just to remind people that, you know, heretic comes from the Greek like hereticos, which is to choose. You were choosing. And you know, the dogma doesn't like choosing. But I say this not to make that point, but to make the point that as a priest, one of the roles of the priest is exorcism. >> Yes. Yes. Uh-huh. >> And I asked you yesterday on a walk and and you said, "Uh yes, I've I've done two exorcisms." But I've never heard those stories. So, share those stories. What was that like? >> Um the first one happened in Palo Alto. I was living in Palo Alto for uh a long time until 1981 when I moved up here to the forest. But um I was I had a community in Palo Alto. I came to church three days every week, Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays, uh four days a week, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. And then I was up here for the other three days. And there was a family came to me and they were living in a street in downtown Palo Alto, and these weird weird weird phenomena were happening. They used to see these weird shapes here under under windows. So, initially they thought that it was foliage outside the windows that it was outside that was creating these shadows and and they So, they cut down all the bushes. And these weird shapes still started coming. And then stuff started started happening inside the house. Like the woman's hairbrush sitting on her desk up in the bedroom went on fire. Spontaneously went on fire. And so, they were really freaking out and there were these kind of weird noises in the house. So, they asked me if I do an exorcism for them. And it was located exactly one block from a funeral What do you call it? A funeral parlor? What's the word you were using first? >> A funeral home. >> A funeral home. It was one block from a funeral home. So, I go into their home and they bring in a bunch of friends and there's maybe 20 20 of us sitting in the room. And we we set the table and I decided to say mass for the group. And we get to the the consecration, the kind of the high point of the mass where the priest says, "This is my body." You know, "Hic est enim corpus meum Christus." "Hic est enim corpus meum." This is my body. We get right to that and all of a sudden there's this torrential just crush. And everybody goes, "Ah!" Everybody jumps. I didn't hear a thing. I heard nothing whatsoever. Everybody in the room is jumping and screaming. Right at the moment of consecration. And I heard nothing. And that was the end of the all the all the all the phenomena ceased from then on. You know, they continued to come to mass in the church, you know, on a weekly basis. Never happened again. So, what Whatever the Eucharist did at that moment of consecration, the the the forces that were taking over and they may have been coming from the funeral parlor. I have no idea what the origin was. But suddenly the kind of the the experience of the real presence. And I'm not saying that the host actually contains the kidneys in the picture of Jesus Christ. But that it creates an altered state of consciousness in which, you know, your ascended sense of self encounters the ascended Christ consciousness. And that meeting proved to be so kind of so upsetting to whatever this energy was that it screamed and everybody heard it and everybody else screamed. And that was the end. It never happened again. There was that There were never any more shadows on on the windows of it. So, that was the >> Why do you think that they could hear it and see it, but you couldn't? >> I felt like I was so engrossed in For me, mass is um when I say mass, I've been saying mass for 53 years. And I say mass sometimes here on my own. There's nobody Nobody here to accept myself. But it creates this extraordinary altered state of consciousness for me that I know that I'm having a Christ encounter with the Jesus of Nazareth, who I think was on the planet many times before. I think the Buddha was a previous incarnation of the same soul. But that for me, when I when I celebrate Eucharist, you know, I'm in a totally altered state of consciousness. It's my version of ayahuasca. I can kind of transcend, you know, and I'm in communication with the carpenter from Nazareth. And it's like I was in a space which was kind of immune to kind of follow what what was happening around me, you know? And the others were just watching me as participants in the Eucharist. They were in kind of still identifying with their own physical selves and with their sensorium. I wasn't using my eyes or my ears or anything. I was totally focused on on the mystery. So, somehow the the noise couldn't access that level. You know, so I was in your world. Yeah. >> Yeah, that makes sense. That it's uh this idea between, you know, the objective and subjective realities has been really you know, pierced by all of the quantum physics come around. Which has shown really profound things that observation can change the way that things appear. And the the perceiver actually influences, you know, reality the perception. And there was a recent study that just came out that I saw where even perceiving like or observing something after it has already been done changes it. So, it can even go backwards in time, which is which is really mind-blowing to understand. So, you know, it it makes sense in this regard that maybe this wasn't actually happening, but was just happening for for them who were perceiving it. And then the way that you were perceiving the world from, you know, the eyes of Christ consciousness, you know, behold I make all things new. Like it it was a declaration of of sight. It was a declaration of perceiving in a different way. And I think that's our opportunity to try to see through the eyes of the Christ to bring about the kingdom of heaven here through our own perception. >> Absolutely. So, I'm a big believer in the notion of what I call retrocausation, that future events can create present present happenings. And a fellow many know really well, Dean Radin at the Institute of Noetic Sciences, has done a lot of great research >> Yeah, I just did my second podcast with him. >> Are you serious? Great guy. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant mind. But I remember having an experience, you know, I I trek a lot in the creek down here. And I like at different times of the year it's waist high or neck high, and sometimes it's kind of mid-thigh. And when when I had my dog, we'd trek upstream. So, the the creek is going in this direction. And I remember coming downstream at one stage, and all of a sudden I see these waves coming up against me. And I'm thinking, "How could that happen? The current is flowing in this direction, and the waves are coming up here." And then I round the corner, and there's a big big boulder in the middle of the river, and the the water is hitting the waves, and it's creating a reaction, and the waves are flowing back upstream. And so, I'm seeing the results, you know, retrocausally of something that has hasn't hap- hasn't yet happened in the future. I still haven't met that rock, but I'm seeing the evidence of what this rock is creating. I'm going to meet the rock in the future, you know, in 2 minutes' time, but in the meantime, I'm seeing the results of something I haven't yet encountered. And so, for me, I'm a big believer in retrocausation, that time flows in many many ways, many many directions. And so, it really feels to me like that, you know, when you get into an altered state of consciousness, time itself either ceases, you know, or flows in whatever direction is most appropriate for whatever lesson you're you're being called upon to to learn. >> Mhm. Mhm. All right, tell us the story of your second exorcism. >> one was Uh so, at this stage, I've um finished my PhD in psychology. I finished a 2-year um uh um attached to a psychologist uh I'm finishing my hours, so now I have my own license, and I have an office down in Los Altos and in um near near um San Jose. And um at one stage, I get a call from another psychologist, and she's dealing with a little child. He's a little uh 11-year-old boy, and his parents are living on 280, you know, between Palo Alto and and San Francisco in a housing estate along there. And the child there's some weird stuff happening in the house. He's an only child, about 11 years old, and um a lot of poltergeist kinds of activity happening there. And uh they got like go to town shopping, they come back, and all the pictures in the house have turned back to front. They've all reversed themselves, they're still hanging on the walls, but they're all back to front. And the same thing, fire spontaneously happening in wastepaper baskets, stuff like that. And kid having really, really powerful really negative dreams and whatever. And so, she contacted me, and she said, "I've been working with this family and this boy for a few months, you know, and I can't make any any progress. I think he needs an exorcism. Would you be prepared to do it?" And I said, "Sure." I said, "So, I said, I need to see him with his parents." So, the parents come down, there's a little boy, about eight eight, nine years old, maybe, and the parents. And so, I do one or two sessions, and I'm trying to get the background and the feel for who this kid is. So, I said to him, "Would you be comfortable with me hypnotizing the child? I trained in hypnotherapy for a year when I spent in London. Would you be comfortable with me hypnotizing the child and finding what what the root causes would be?" And they agreed to it. So, we did an extended hypnotic regression with the child and the parents are sitting there. And I go into the child and ask him, "Can you bring me back to the first time when this kind of upsetting situation was beginning to happen?" And all of a sudden, this really, really adult male African-American voice begins to speak through the child. And the story was the family were on vacation in Florida. And they were driving back to the airport and they came across a crash and tra- traffic ground to a halt. And so, they're inching past the crashed car and there's this young African-American man who's been killed in the car crash. And he spots this little child looking out the window at him. And this the the the the soul of this man is totally discombobulated, totally freaking out. And he takes occupancy of the child's psyche. Just literally jumps aboard and takes occupancy. And also, the child is carrying his own soul self and kind of the discombobulated soul self of this young young man. And he carried this home with him. And this is what's creating the stuff. So, I spent the next half I I I speak directly now to this soul, this kind of um um soul that has come in to find out what the circumstances and the fears and realize that, you know, he's stuck in this in betwe- in be- in between place where he's afraid to move on cuz he's been indoctrinated in the notion of hell and judgment and is he going to get a thumbs up or a thumbs down? And so, it's safer for him not to leave planet Earth, but he doesn't have a physical body anymore to kind of kind of inhabit it. So, he's going to use this as a kind of a walk-in. Um and so, I talked to him about, you know, his notion of his theology and why he would be afraid of God. I asked him, "Can you look around and see if there's any light in the environment?" They're looking around and they say, "I can see a light way, way, way in the distance." I say, "Okay. I want you to focus on that light, you know, and welcome that light and see what happens. And he's beginning to describe that the light is coming nearer and getting brighter and brighter. And it's not just a light of a luminescent being, it's a it's pure love. And he's beginning to feel the love emanating from this. And I said, "Are you feeling any judgment coming from that light?" Absolutely not. Unconditional acceptance, total serenity. So, I said, "Sure, go to the light. Let go." And he let go. And the child comes back, you know, and um it never occurred again. Stopped All the nightmares stopped, you know, all the kind of pictures going backwards, fires, whatever. And the child continued to live perfectly normal life afterwards. Yeah. >> This idea of go to the light Yeah. is something that is so commonly used in in this kind of uh in this in the discussion and in the in the stories of what you do with these, you know, discarnate entities, which is it's interesting because it's never like, well, you know, don't go to the dark place, just go to the light, you know, and I think a lot of this fear is that there is some some hell, but the hell is actually what they're choosing and the light is always available. Like God's love, you know, shines infinitely and there's always that availability for God's love. But, if you try to create a certain set of criteria that's this is the only way that you can get God's love, well, you're going to create a massive disturbance in the psyche of an individual. >> Absolutely. >> So, that makes, you know, that makes a lot of sense and I think there's I heard you mention briefly the distinction between a soul and a spirit. >> Yeah. >> And to me, this is something that I've always believed too, because I've seen the like uh psychedelic medicine indigenous shaman version of these exorcisms. I've seen them literally pull energies out and seen beings scurry around and there's crazy things that happen in in medicine journeys and they have their own practices. Sometimes they suck it out and purged into a bucket and sometimes you do it yourself and it's crazy things that happen, but it's always occurred to me that there's kind of a tulpa or an egregore of your own personality self. So, your own individual life life. So, there's uh there's a spirit of Aubrey or spirit of Shawn. And then there's the soul, which is like um >> a jellyfish >> with many different tentacles and each one is each different life, but actually the jellyfish is the whole soul that that includes all of the reincarnated you know, lives that you've lived and I think sometimes one of the tentacles refuses to go back into the back into the over-soul. And then, you know, I've also had the experience that there's a choice for the over-soul to make to go into a dissolution dissolution. Back to the source. >> Absolutely. >> Self itself. And it's just a choice as to when, you know, when you want to make that and start back over and you know, maybe as a a flower or an ant or a you know, moving on up the evolution of of life itself. >> Yeah. Beautiful. And it's been in my experience, you know, as a priest I get to kind of accompany a lot of people in the dying process. You know, and I've had three almost death experiences, but I'm not NDEs not necessarily was clinically dead, but that I was kind of hovering at at that store. And the first time it happened to me, I was still living in Kenya. I was living in very remote areas. I'd maybe seen another mystery every three months or whatever. And as I say, I got malaria on a regular basis. So, I had malaria again and I was treating myself for malaria. And drug called Daraprim we were using at the time. But I wasn't getting better. And it transpired actually had typhoid and didn't realize it. And so I'm laying on my own in a very remote area and I think I'm dying. And my entire body is shaking, shivering, and sweating profusely. And uh I think this is it. I'm on my way out. And as clear as a bell, I hear a voice inside me say, "Your body is doing what bodies are built to do, but you're not your body. Your emotions are doing what emotions are built to do, but you're not your emotions. And your mind is doing what minds are built to do, but you're not your mind." And all of a sudden this extraordinary calm came over. Now, I'm still shivering and I'm you know, sweating profusely, whatever. But deeper, deeper than the psyche, deeper, deeper than the kind of the emotions, deeper than the physiology of me, there's a knowing that I'm an eternal being. And that there's no way I can lose at this stage. Now, as luck would have it, another missionary came by two or three days later. I got yanked out of our brick hospital and taken back to Ireland. And so I made that a practice whenever I'm working with the dying. And I had the privilege of spending the last 55 hours with my mother in Ireland when she died in 2010. And um I would literally watch her and I kept repeating to her, I used to call her Peg, and I said, "Peg, your body is doing what bodies are built to do, but you're not your body. Your emotions are doing what emotions are built to do, you're not your emotions. Your mind is doing what minds are built to do, but you're not your mind. I want you to look for the light. Just look for the light. And say yes to the light." And I would kept for, you know, 48 hours just again and again and again repeating that that mantra to her. And I've done that to every time I've had the privilege of accompanying somebody in the dying process. That's kind of the the mantra that I want them to kind of focus on. >> Mhm. Mhm. It's commonly reported in near-death experiences that there's a there is the light. Absolutely. That's available there. And that is that that source love, that source light. And you know, white light it contains all of the different colors of light as well. And that's shown in a rainbow. You know, and that's that's I think to me what's always been a sign, you know, whenever I've been in a in a difficult place or a difficult journey or difficult space to see, you know, to see the light refracted into the rainbow to know that like God and all the angels and the archangels are there. And like God's love is still shining. And it's a it's a clear sign to me that this is okay. We're home and these colors, you know, correspond with the colors of the chakras that's seers have seen you know, for in indigenous cultures for thousands of years. Probably, you know, tens of thousands of years. You know. Absolutely. >> So, I just created a a dream image many, many years ago as well where I'm looking at this kind of a a huge big box completely sealed like a kind of a you see like these 18-wheeler trucks on the back of an 18-wheeler truck, a huge big, big box. And the sun is shining and all these rays are emanating from the sun. And there's a pinhole on the end wall of this building and there's one ray of light which is going through it. And then this ray of light meets there's a prism inside there and meets the prism and it's refracted into the seven different colors. And the explanation that came to me in the dream was that the sun represents source. And the rays of light represented the individual souls. And the little hole represents a kind of a an interdimensional portal. And when a a ray of light finds a portal, it comes through. And then it meets the prism which allows it to experience itself in some level of bodies are red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet. You know, has no object on the end wall. And there are the various kind of bodies we experience at during incarnation. And so, uh, the message I was getting is, you know, choose your color, which which color and what you what you read for me the other night was so powerful. Looking at the importance and the value and the contribution of each of these colors, you know, of the rainbow. But that in in some senses that spirit then in some senses represented the little the little hole, the portal, through which God's love comes through into various forms of incarnation. >> Mhm. >> But then every every color has its own Can you say something about that? That beautiful piece that you wrote and you read for me a few nights ago about Can you synopsize that? >> Yeah, I've uh through my own journeys and explorations of different traditions and my own gnosis of experiences that I've had, I've tried to come up with something a story that pointed towards the truth for me. And not that it is ontologically true, but that it it was a guiding story and an orienting story that I think you can learn a lot from the biblical Genesis story, but you have to have a particularly finely tuned mind in order not to get confused because there's I think a confusion of what is the what is the God voice? Is this God voice a production projection of repetition compulsion or is this actually the God voice? Or is this you know, what is going on here? And I think with that right mindset you can actually glean an immense amount of wisdom from the original old Torah. But without that, it's very easy to get confused and lost in a lot of traps. So, I wanted to make a story that was still evocative of our own imagination. And in this story it's uh, and I'll try to, you know, synopsize it synopsize it, you know, quickly, but ultimately in the beginning there is the mother of all and the mother of all exists in this unconscious milky white substrate and I borrowed the milky white substrate part from this gnostic belief that this is actually the source before it differentiates and creates and then the mother dreams of a companion father time and father time is also a representation of her own self-awareness is we're able of course right now to talk to ourselves we do it all the time you know where is the one that's observing Aubrey and then there's the Aubrey so there's this kind of bifurcation of the one into two perspectives so that we can have a conversation with ourself but of course the more you externalize it the more delight comes in that conversation so the mother from her desire dreams of the father and then they they have their experience and then the father brings a variety of different gifts and one of the final gifts is the invitation for creation and in that creation she can draw all of the light that is possible within this milky substrate of both everything and nothing light and dark it's all just source she can draw all of that in and then breathe it out big bang you know and seven eons of light and sound can be created the seven different colors the seven different sacred tones and those tones would work through creation but in that process in condensing and and then exploding all of the light there's the opposite side the opposite of light which is what I call the void that's the emptiness and so that's the balance of the yin and the yang in on the cosmic plane and so there's all the light and then there's not just the absence of light that's neutral it's actually the antithesis of light and so there's this is kind of a cosmic structure that's one level down so there's the source which is all the light and and all the antithesis of light. It's It's everything and nothing. And then there's the differentiation into creation, well, first into self-awareness, and then from self-awareness into creation that has light and then the antithesis of light. And it's a story of the seven aeons, which represent are represented by the seven colors, and their journey to waking up the sleeping sister, which is sister void, and their own path, their own heroes' journeys that they take, and then how that ultimately impacts Gaia Sophia, which is how the story begins. Gaia Sophia asking, you know, Abba, why why is this stone coming that's going to wipe out, you know, three-quarters of life on Earth when that big asteroid came and killed the dinosaurs, you know? I just think of a mother who'd spent all this time creating all of these beautiful children. And this was an extinction-level event, so the story starts with that, and she's asking like, why, Father? And he tells you the story. And the story is a story of of error and forgiveness, of compassion and discretion, and, you know, the the journey towards love and acceptance, and and embracing of, you know, what creation is in all of its mystery, and and the duality of of the void and and the light and the mother and the father and the child, you know, so it contains a lot of different elements that draw on a lot of different traditions. >> Beautiful. >> And uh and yeah, so, you know, I it's a still very much a work in work in progress, but it's been something that's been a it's kind of a I don't know, my love letter to uh >> It was really beautiful, Aubrey. >> Thank you. >> And it was beautiful. >> Thank you. Yeah, I think we need we need new stories to for the new time that we're entering, and these old stories, these old scripts, they're not working. You know, we're not getting mentally healthier, we're not coming together more. There's not more love in the world, you know, at least it appears there's not. Now, also, what we're being shown may not also be >> representative >> reality. You know, we may be shown we may be shown something that makes us believe something that's really isn't true. Um but, you know, we definitely need new stories, unifying stories. And we need those people who are willing to be those chakarunas, those bridge people, those midwives to this new to this new world. And to do that, we need, I believe, new stories that draw on the old stories and keep the best of what is old, but allow a current to revitalize old words that, you know, if you keep, and I mentioned this to you as well, like if you keep water stale and stagnant, it'll start to grow it'll start to grow parasites and worms and and mold and but if water's running in a river, then it's fresh and it gives life and it gives the type of nourishment that you know, all all living beings need. And like cats are cats are genius at this, they don't drink stale, stagnant water, they want it straight, fresh, current, living water, you know, they know. And I think what we've done is we've flash frozen our old stories and our old words and refused to evolve them because of fear, fear of God and the fear of not abiding letter by letter to the interpretations of these texts, not even the texts themselves, because there's many interpretations of the text, but abiding by a certain interpretation. And there's there's stagnation there. And this is not just a knock on classic religion, this is a knock on also indigenous traditions. >> Yeah. >> There's still stagnation and stubbornness and fundamentalists >> Mhm. >> you know, traditions of all sorts and superstitious beliefs that need to be tested. Like, really? For sure? Or was this just an idea that's been passed along? And sometimes those ideas are right. >> Yeah. >> And like actually they got it spot on and it's still current now and sometimes maybe not. >> Yeah. >> Brilliant. So, an image that comes up to me when I listen to you is that I'm a big believer that there are three ways of listening to a story. You know, that um if I if I interpret a story literally I'm going to smirk at a lot of the stories. If I interpret it symbolically I'll smile, but if I interpret it mystically I'll become awakened. Because in some senses I believe that the great storyteller um hands us a surfboard and points us at a wave, but you got to surf the wave yourself. He's not going to surf the wave for you. And to surf the waves you need imagination. And I again for I differentiate between imagination and fantasy. That fantasy is the ability to make up stuff that's not real. But whereas imagination is the ability to volitionally shift my state of consciousness, enter into altered states, interact with beings and and energies that reside there, learn from them, and then come back and transfer to later with my waking consciousness. And so I think that's the mystical interpretation of stories. And little kids have this in spades and you're going to be given that opportunity opportunity really, really that kids you know, who just come through the veil from the numinous to the kind of the physical, they're still in contact with it on a very regular basis. And so I really advocate to people around little children particularly age two to five to join in their games, not kind of paternalistically tap on the head, "Ah yeah, yeah, that's a lovely thing. You go back to your imaginary friend." But to join their games, say, "Where are they going?" They're going through the veil. And what are they experiencing? And no matter how in uh inadequately they articulate what they're experiencing, they're experiencing a real thing, a real spiritual reality. And if I can join them in that, I can pierce the veil myself. You know, so in Irish we have a special term for we call it a coillte, a thin place where the veil between the mystical and mundane is diaphanous, and you can learn to move through it, you know. And I think great prayer, great meditation, great mantras, spending time with your children, being on nature on your own, silence, these are the ways in which it's easy for us to identify these thin places and pass through effortlessly. >> Uh-huh. >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's Isn't there a saying about having, you know, having the nature of a child to enter the kingdom of heaven? What is that What is that >> Christ I once said, there's a story he's walking on the road with his disciples, 12 guys, and they're all arguing they say he's going to become the the king of Israel. And uh I want to take on the education portfolio. I want the defense portfolio. I want to be in charge of finances. And they're arguing who's going to get what job in the kingdom when he becomes the the king the the Messiah, cuz the Messiah is both a political figure and a religious figure within Judaism. And Christ hears them all arguing with him, and he stops and he catch up and he says, "What are you guys arguing about on the road?" And they're really embarrassed cuz they they don't want to tell him what they're arguing about. And there's a a group of little children on the road, and Christ calls them over and he says, "Unless you become like this little child, you won't even enter the kingdom, let alone get a portfolio." So, what what did he see about kids? And I think he saw four great qualities in kids. The first quality is that little children instinctively ask the really important questions. And we can laugh at them. And I have a personal example of that that I was raised by my grandparents for the first 6 years of my life. I was born 1946, so the war had just ended. And so, we'd sit around the table, I'd eat and some uncles and my grandparents and my great-grandmother present there. It's a big gang of us. And I hear them talking about the war. It was always called it the war, not the Second World War, but the war. And I'm listening to this conversation when I I said to my grandmother, "How long did the war last?" And I'm thinking she's going to say, "Well, started 9:30 in the morning and went at little went on until 4:15 in the afternoon." And she says, "Uh it went on for six six years." I said, "What? How could it go on for six years? What happened when it got dark? How could you have How could you be at war when it was dark? And what happened when you went to the had to go to the toilet? How could you be at war when you need to go pee?" And then the cracker was, "What happened on Sundays when they had to go to mass?" And everybody's cracking up around the the table. And the truth is I was asking really important questions as a little child. Yeah. So Christ could see that little children really ask important questions and we laugh at their naivety or whatever. The second thing he saw was that, you know, kids are born prejudiced free. We have to have to be taught to be prejudiced. And the example of this for me was I the last mission I was in in Kenya, place called Kipsaraman, very remote area. And uh poor we had a little we had a little hospital there, we had a high school there, a grade school, and a family resource center. Um and this day I I come out of the mission and there's this woman sitting right outside, a huge obese woman, completely naked, and she's breastfeeding like a 4-month-old little baby boy. And she's totally totally alone. And uh I inquired I I was visiting nobody knew where she was from, where she had come from, how she was doing. So we fed her for three or four days and I'd watch her breastfeeding her child. And there's something about a little child when it's breastfeeding, it's, you know, figuring it looking at the contours of the mother's face, it's constantly feeling the nose and the ears and whatever, like playing with the mother's face. And this little kid is totally enamored of this woman. And as far as this child is concerned, this is God. And for him, she was. For everybody else, this was a crazy, naked, obese woman. But at some stage, this kid's going to be told, "Your mother is crazy." But right now, she's God. So, we have to be we have to be trained to be prejudiced against any kind of life form. So, that's the second thing you saw, the prejudice rate. The second thing is that I third thing, they're infinitely forgiving. I came to the States in 1987, and I went down to San Diego with a friend of mine, a priest friend of mine who was ordained the same day. We spent many years in Africa, and now he was part of the Diocese of San Jose of San Diego at least. And I went down to San Diego, and the morning newspaper came in, and there's this photograph of a a police officer, a woman police officer, with a little baby boy over her shoulder, and he's trying desperately to get back to his mother. He's been taken away from his mother. And the mother has been taken up for child abuse. And she had stubbed a cigarette butts all over the child's body. There was literally marks all over his You know, so he'd been really tortured by this woman. But now he's been taken away, and he's freaking out. This is the only woman he knows, the only person and he's desperately trying to get back to his mother. So, he can he can forgive all the tortures he's experienced cuz this is mama, and he wants to go back to mama. And so, you know, they're they're totally forgiving creatures. And so, he sees he sees that piece as well. And then the fourth piece I think is, as he said, their imagination, their ability to surf the states of consciousness. So, when Christ says, "Unless you become as little children, you won't even enter the kingdom." And he's pointing to those four qualities. You know, you guys who are arguing about portfolios, when was the last time you asked a really important question? You know, when was the last time you let go of prejudice? When was the last time you know that you were able to forgive somebody? What is the last experience you had on an altered state of consciousness? When you When you tick those four boxes, come back to me. Right. >> Yeah. Yeah, but that's absolutely right. And I've always said you can tell a spiritual master by the sound of their laughter. >> All right, totally. >> You know, because that's that's somebody who really gets it. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Cuz uh it's a trap to become overly serious. >> Yeah. >> And this is the only way to hold the horror and the beauty of this existence is to laugh. And if you can't laugh, you know, you've missed the you've missed the point. And children, they they laugh, they dance, >> Yeah. >> they sing. >> Yeah. >> You know, it's a it's a place where they don't have that unless they're taught. They don't have that internal critic. And there's so many stories of sad stories of the moment where a child's singing and the mother says one careless word like, "Stop singing. Your voice is terrible." And then they can't sing. >> Crushed. >> Crushed. Or like like, "You don't know how to dance." You know, like like so there's so many but you can be other classmates or somebody who just laugh at somebody dancing and they don't dance anymore. And they're also, you know, free of this internal judgment. That I think we we learn and we get kind of indoctrinated into. And that doesn't mean that we don't have a kind of social awareness and we understand how our actions can impact, you know, the the environment that we're in. But these are birthrights. >> Yeah. >> To laugh and to sing and to dance and to play. And it's all too easy to forget all of those things. And I think that's another one of the gifts of fatherhood I'm looking forward to is I've managed to hold on to that pretty well. I'm a I'm a rascal by nature and I like to play and laugh and and um and that's actually when I feel like I'm in my own, you know, Buddha nature of the highest level. Like that's me at my best. Like if you're going to ask like, "When's Aubrey at his best?" It's when I'm laughing. And it's when I'm joking and when it this the laughter just peels out of me and and it becomes, you know, this infectious infectious thing for those around and and then I feel like I'm really at home in in who I am and at home in the cosmos. And it can also happen when I'm dancing. It can also happen in in different ways and in prayers or in in other, you know, kind of less sensual experiences. And also, of course, medicine journeys have been a part of it, but finding all of these ways to actualize who we are because I I believe that we all have a potential that's like what what we could possibly be. You know, and it's always we're always evolving that and it's always like the greyhound's rabbit that's just a little bit ahead of the greyhound. And and that's what causes the greyhound to run and I think the potential for me is the antithesis of anti-you, which is the thing that's trying to pull you down. This potential, this high holy guardian angel, you know, it's talked about in this Cabalist grimoire, you know, by a Bremond the Mage and Abraham of Worms. They talk about this guardian angel and it's kind of similarly related to the Greek idea of the daemon, but it's this thing that leads us. And just in brief moments we can touch it, you know, and and I think someone like Yeshua, you know, in reaching Christ consciousness or Buddha in reaching the Buddha nature, they just stuck the landing. You know, they they didn't just touch it, you know, they went straight up, you know, double flip off the back stuck it and it's just 10s from all of the judges. And they're just like, all right, you know, here we are. And and that's, you know, that's one thing that I miss about the way the Torah is is written is I miss I miss the moments where we get to hear Christ's laughter. You know, I think it's referred to elliptically. You you told me the story that after his baptism he came out and big belly laugh. Yeah. Yeah. >> And that I think is you don't see that in any of the depictions. You know, you see it's so strange to me that we see all the images of of his moment of ultimate torture. Like why not look at his moment of ultimate laughter? You know, I think it's pointing to not what the message of the messenger was. Yes, that was a very powerful moment for him and it should be honored. But the one that we should be honoring is the one who is laughing. >> Yeah. Totally. Absolutely. Yeah. There's a great story to tell about the Dalai Lama and Thomas Merton. They met accidentally at an airport at some stage and neither of them spoke the other guy's language. So they couldn't communicate. So they hugged each other and started laughing. That was the interaction. >> Yeah. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Well, this you have, you know, you're in the twilight years. I think you're going to make a hundred. You know, so you got you got like a fifth of your life left. But, you know, what do you see as What do you see as, you know, your final this this final chapter that again I think will be a long and rich chapter, but like from all of your experiences, everything, you know, what are you trying to midwife into the world? >> So I I got an insight a few years ago, you know, that that the reason I'm in America as distinct from being in Ireland or being in Africa is that I was meant to smuggle Celtic spirituality into Silicon Valley. Literally. Cuz I'm a I'm really good at I'm a good storyteller, you know, coming from an Irish background my grandfather was what we call a shanachie, a storyteller, and he had hundreds of great tales. You know, and that I really believe that I'm not trying to be a priest advocating Roman Catholicism or even kind of rigid Christianity. But that I I a kind of a a pre-Christian Celtic spirituality. Yeah, and that it's it's held in the stories. And that my my function has been to be a smuggler. To try to smuggle Celtic spirituality into Silicon Valley. And I've tried to do that for 28 years with companions. I did it for 8 years with the Diocese of San Jose. And then they threw me out cuz I was talking I was advocating for women priests and for talking about reincarnation and then I got thrown out by the Vatican 2010. And so what I've been trying to do is kind of mine the great wisdom traditions of the world. Because there's so much in common the wisdom traditions the mystical core of all them are the same. You know, my strike out said it famously one time he said when theologians meet they argue when mystics meet they laugh. Yeah, so I'm trying to introduce the laughter. I said it once to you that any God we can't laugh at is far too small a God for us. We can't laugh at God, you know, he's our God. And so it becomes really important for me to through story form to introduce levity into kind of any discussion of a spiritual phenomena. You know, and then someone says to kind of cross-fertilize all the all the great wisdom traditions that I've personally studied and realize that that that the core of all of them are the same basic kinds of truths. They articulate them differently. And the temptation is to reduce them to a fundamentalist kind of moral moralistic kind of thinking and to avoid that. And Celtic spirituality is totally different from that. As I say, I believe that the for the Celts um the God the gods were the goddesses were they kind of the archetypes of nature and the gods were the archetypes of culture. And that there was a marriage that happens between nature and culture. You know, and that there was actually a wedding ceremony when the high king of Ireland was being chosen, he there was a formal marriage ceremony between him and the land. And so this kind of this wedding of we would call it the male and the female. I would call it the God the Celtic god gods and the Celtic goddesses. This this partnership again between nature and culture that that's what we need to strive for. And I think I do that a lot through kind of metaphor and story and and kind of fable. That's kind of my forte. >> Mhm. I think that, you know, when we see the places that seem to be the most confused and lost and we had this conversation that they're cultures that have been disconnected from their from their actual roots and the first big crusade against, you know, indigenous spirituality was waged against the Germanic people. It was waged against the Celtic people, the Druidic people, all the, you know, all of these different roots that people had and and in many cases those roots were eradicated and lost. I mean, and so the people who've lost their sense of indigenousness. And then there's really now this so much pressure to if you're not of a certain particular type of indigenous this that's, you know, has some record that's recent, you can't claim your indigenous and I think there's a big reclamation of a universal indigenousness. And I think there's an invitation that the records are there, actually. You know, there's a there's a recovery of a lot of this and yeah, I'm the great tragedy is that so much indeed has been lost, but it can be remembered because that was all intuited from the same source. It developed uh naturally out of people listening. You know, my spiritual grandfather, Don Howard, he he went back into the Shavin culture not through not through actually records of what they did and how they conducted their Wachuma ceremonies, but by looking at the art and the artifacts and then listening to the cactuses and recreated his own Chavin lineage based, you know, based on what he intuited himself and then brought that back forth into the world, and I think we all have that chance. And we can also choose to you know, walk the the beauty way, the red road, if we want to choose that path, if that suits us better than going back to our own traditional roots, but I think reconnecting ourselves with this indigenous sense that we're a child of the earth and that our actual ancestors were children of a particular part of earth and a particular tradition. I think that's so important in this new story so that all of these old songs can be sung. That the Celtic and the Gaelic and the Aboriginal and all the songs and the Lakota songs and all of these songs are part of this universal song that is part of the new story. It's not about everybody singing one song. It's about all the songs creating a creating a symphony. >> And I think as well there's another factor for me is I like to think of the fact that we have a genetical kind of heritage, every single one of us genetically speaking our physical bodies as a result of parents and grandparents and whatever, but we also reincarnationally, I believe, we've been in all the other systems as well. So there's two streams of kind of storytelling coming through for me. There's my genetical heritage so as a Celt I kind of I'm a kind of a conduit for a lot of the stories I learned from Celtic, but I know for instance that I've been in other cultures in other incarnations, and so my soul self has access to that lineage as well. And so the the idea that, you know, only a true born Celt can hold hold a Celtic story, I don't believe that's true. Anybody who's had a previous incarnation in a Celtic country has access to that as well. And so this idea of kind of cultural appropriation I don't like it, you know, that you can only represent particular culture if you happen to have the genetic lineage, you know, in the last two or three generations. And you may have more access to it more easily, but if you can access your soul self, you know, I think that most of us have experienced most of the cultures of the world right now, and therefore we have that lineage in the at the soul. And therefore when we learn to listen to the soul, you know, we can bring those stories out again in a modern form for modern contexts, which are no less kind of genuine than kind of the somebody who was born as a Celt in this incarnation that I was. You know, I had and I had a grandfather who was great storyteller. I would have some kind of an access to the Celtic lore. But somebody, you know, who's never never spoken Gaelic or never been to Ireland, their soul self may have been there 500 years ago, and their soul has information. And so when they now listen like you're talking about your spiritual godfather or grandfather, call him grandfather, spiritual grandfather, in some sense he's like creating something where he may not have had, you know, a genetic contact with that, but he has a soul contact with that. And his articulation of it can be no less true than a genuine thoroughbred thoroughbred member of that group. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, totally. >> Yeah. >> It just opens us up to so much more possibility. >> Yeah. >> And and that remembering, I mean, this is a great time of amnesia. >> Mhm. Yes. >> Of like remembering who we are, what we are, and what ought we do. >> Yeah. >> And that's I think again the the role of the role of the father is is also to tell the stories. It doesn't mean that women or mothers can't tell great stories. >> Yeah. >> But, you know, this is this is an element. The story has a story line, and a line is a representation of the masculine principle. It's moving forward. And it's also remembering moving backwards and moving and telling the story line. The mothers, it's represented then a circle, the feminine. It's about the feeling. What are your feelings? What's going on in this? And together they form the spiral. And both principles need to work together and and weave weave this new story so we can listen to whatever everybody's feeling and allow the feminine principles within us and the women around us to feel what is going on and feel in ourselves and feel together like all right, let's what is the feeling tone of what's happening and then what is the what is the line? What is the timeline? What is the storyline? And talked about a prophet preventing possible, you know, darker futures and helping to actually keep us on the line. I think that is a a fatherly act to do and I think that's, you know, that's a role that you know, needs to be celebrated. And both both roles is not one role better than the other or more important than the other. We have to feel everything that's in this moment and feel everything that was and is and will be. And then also create a line, create a the telos. You know, create a direction towards where we're going and and it's not about whether or not we get there or not. You know, there there's so much mystery, but it's about did we give everything we got to do it? And then if we do, I think we cross that threshold and, you know, we cross it without any heaviness on our heart. When when our hearts are measured against the weight of a feather, you know, our hearts will be light. And and I know that's that's what what I strive for. And I think the thing that you know, I was we've been in long conversations. Yeah, I've I've had the blessing to stay at your house and you asked me what I wanted to be on the other side of this baptism, this immersion in the amniotic fluid of God as you've described it so eloquently and and beautifully. And it's someone who just listens, listens to my potential, listens to my soul. Nobody else knows what those whispers are. Nobody else knows if I did or if I didn't. I mean, lots of people want to project and try to tell me whether I did or whether I didn't and try to imagine that they know exactly who I am and what I'm doing, but they don't know [ __ ] I know. And I know when I've missed the mark. When I've heard the voice and said, "Nah, I'm going to do my own thing." You know, and and so, you know, this recommitment to my own henani, my own like, I am here. I'm here to me, you know, like I volunteer is to is to just agree. Agree to listen to that intelligence that's far beyond this monkey mind that I have. And I have great appreciation for this mind. And it's so limited. And I can't solve the problems with just my mind. It just gets me further into a thicket. You know, when I just listen to that. And all the great things that I've ever done have been because I've listened to something that was beyond my mind. There was a the greater intelligence, capital I intelligence, a capital M mind that I filtered through my own hermeneutic prism, so I have to also be suspect to that. I have to challenge it, say like, "Really? Is that really what I heard? Is that Is that you know, so there's a skepticism that I think is important, but also a listening and a trust. Many times the whispers are clear. And I just I just got to listen. You know, and that's like the and then act by an act of will. And set my will and intent to listen. Period. >> So, it seems to me that like you're at a bifurcation point again at at various stages of our lives. I see this trajectory for all of us that we all start out with like an extraordinary innocence. You know, we're as little children. And at some stage this bifurcates into naivete, our idealism. And naivete is a kid with age inappropriate innocence. So, you can tell a child, you know, a whole bunch of lies and the child will believe it if if they're naive. Our idealism or I want to make a difference in the world. And at some stage, I believe in our 30s or 40s, there's a further bifurcation into either cynicism or wisdom. Cynicism being a tie that didn't work, you know, if I'm going to hell in a handbasket, nothing you do is going to make a difference. You know, our wisdom, which is the ability to kind of see the eternal possibilities and the realization that love is driving this entire exercise and it won't be thwarted. And to stay with the program, you know, and to kind of update myself and at the same time continue to kind of educate myself about my role and my mission in the world. But I'm just I look at those kind of bifurcation points and and figure out which which road have I taken. You know, am I naive or idealistic? And even if I chose idealism, has life subsequently made me cynical or made me more wiser? You know, and what comes after wisdom? You know, auto commitment to the mission for which I incarnated or say "Get me the hell out of there. I've had enough of it. Done this for 80 years. I don't want to do it anymore." So, what are the choices we can hit to make at these kind of bifurcation points? And for you especially, Aubrey, at this stage with your little daughter about to come, you know, an extraordinary opportunity for you to look at the next bifurcation point and say "What am I going to choose?" >> Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Well, thank you for being a shepherd. A shepherd to guide me on this on this path that I'm I'm really grateful for all the teachers and all the all the shepherds who've who've offered their love and their wisdom and and uh you know, that's I think that's one thing that you know, people don't really understand is they don't understand somebody who has um you know, like a perceived sense of power and autonomy. Like I don't have to listen to anybody. I have enough money, I have enough wherewithal, I can operate autonomously, but I choose to remain infinitely porous and infinitely open to changing my mind, infinitely open and to growth and and different things and and that's probably been one of my greatest strengths is just the ability to to listen. Like I can go into a a medicine journey even. I mean, they've been some of my great greatest teachers. And I think I know what I'm there for. I think I know what's going on and then I'll come out of it and be like Oh my goodness. Like I had it completely upside down. You know, it was like it was And that's I I think that's the path. We we stumble and we regain our balance. We fall and we get back up. We get lost and then we find our way. And uh every place we've been we've needed to be there in some way. And that but that's a choice. >> So we were talking this morning about uh self-driving cars and some sensors. So some kind of inner guidance that's able to read the terrain and the kind of the possibilities and the obstacles and make the best best possible choices. And I think that's what that's what you're describing of yourself now, the openness that allows the navigational system to give you clues as to what's the best what's what's the best decision to make in this circumstance. >> Mhm. That's beautiful. And then do a diagnostic of like huh. Why did I make that choice if it didn't work out well? You know, was I was I Actually, that was a good choice. It just didn't work out. Or was it's usually some mix. You know, usually there's some mix of either ignorance that I a piece of knowledge that I didn't have or it was a bit of fear that was actually clouding my and distorting my vision or a bit of, you know, selfishness that was actually there in in in so doing the diagnostic and and retrospectively but doing so without the judgment that keeps you stuck and locked in the past but also just allows you to evolve and learn and I think that's one of the key things is to not identify with who you have been >> Yes. >> and even even like who you are it's like who who you will be >> Yes. >> you know and really listen to that like okay I'm I am the one >> Yes. >> who is evolving >> Yes. >> and like and this evolution may take different different you may go different directions. You look at the price of a stock or a metal or commodity it doesn't just go straight up in an even steady line it's up and down and volatility and in and out and two steps forward three steps you know three steps back four steps forward you know five steps forward oh my god and then a big crash six steps back and this is just the way of it you know this is these are the these are the rhythms we like we like things to be >> linear >> linear but they're just not you know it's going to move up and down and in and out and the falling is part of the getting up and the getting up is part of the moving forward and moving backward is still part of the moving forward >> Totally. So I have a labyrinth that I created years and years ago and it's a scaled down version of the one in Notre Dame I didn't have room for 11 circuits so there's only seven circuits in it and but what I discovered when you used to walk a labyrinth you start off and and very very quickly you find yourself you're very close to the center you're on the circle very near the center and as you keep moving you're getting further and further from the center you get what's wrong with this I I thought I was making progress I'm getting further and further from the circle and the stomach says you come closer again and then you get further and finally you come right in and you reach the center but if you were to take feedback every stage and be kind of discouraged by the fact that I don't seem to be not only am I not I'm progress I seem to be further back than I was, you know, 10 minutes ago. So, what's wrong with this? And the kind of the um the labyrinth is designed specifically to give us the courage, you know, to keep tracking even when we think we're not reaching the target or even if we think we're going further from the target. But if I remain faithful to the urge to walk the labyrinth of life, eventually I'm going to get to the center. No matter how many times I feel like I'm not making progress, in fact, I'm getting further and further away from my goal. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> And if you don't get it in this life, >> Yeah. >> you'll get it in the next. >> Amen. >> I think that's one of the big costs of removing reincarnation, which, you know, the work done in University of Virginia and and all all the different great spiritual teachers, we've known this. >> Yeah. >> But that being removed >> Yeah. >> is a is a kind of crazy thing to have because unless you have this idea of the continuity of consciousness, >> Yeah. >> then you can't understand what's fair and what's not fair. You can't understand what >> Yeah. >> own life is to be. But I think we're going to get as many choices as we want to try and figure this thing out. And this one is important. >> Yeah. >> Very important. I think the big Pardon me, the big difficulty is that if I believe that education ends at the end of kindergarten, I'm going to have a different very different idea about life than if I think, "Oh, and maybe there's a a grade school after that I could go to or maybe there's a high school I could go to after that." And so, if my uh education is limited to to kindergarten, it's going to be a totally different experience of life than if I know there are other possibilities up the lane. So, if I think I only have one shot at it, you know, the temptation is eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we die. Or the temptation is that I only have one life, let me live it to the best of my ability, you know, and be a mensch. >> Mhm. >> And it's interesting to me to watch that even atheists some atheists are living much more compassionate spiritual lives than alleged spiritual you know, religious people who claim that they're spiritual, but their lifestyle is all about me and selfishness and whatever. And so, uh for me then, this realization that reincarnation for me gives me the opportunity of, you know, doing a PhD in spirituality. Mhm. In the sense that And it also allows me the kind of the um I I think it's the best attack on prejudice you could ever have. Cuz if I knew that I was Hindu in the past life, or I was Jewish in the past life, or I was Muslim in the past life, or I was Native American in the past life, or I was a gay in the past life, or whatever, how could I be now be prejudiced against any of those positions in this one? You know, I'm just transferring my prejudice from one incarnation to the next, unless you open my eyes and say, "Oh yeah, I was in that position. I was such and such. How did I perform then? Now I'm in this position, how do I perform now?" And it is certainly not by being prejudiced against the others at this stage. That's not the object of the exercise. The object of the exercise is to say, "Okay, try this configuration and see if you can remember who you are. Now try this one and see if you can remember who you are. Try this one and see if you can let go of prejudices at this stage." So, it's about sequentially letting go of prejudices until finally you realize there's only the soul self. Everything else is just a kind of a dressing. Mhm. Mhm. >> And I honor that dressing, going back to the earlier conversation of finding the balance >> Yeah. >> of honoring the the spiritual path of moving towards the light and honoring like, "Oh my god, like look at my hands, and look at my skin, and look at my taste buds, and look at how good it feels to be hugged or cuddled, and look at look at how amazing this is. How grateful am I that I'm not one of these, you know, alien beings with no genitals and no mouths to eat and no noses to smell and no no emotions that rise like waves and tempests within me." I mean, there's a great appreciation for that, and there's the need to temper that with also these understandings, and that forms the balance. And in that balance, that's, you know, like you said, the vesica piscis. That's the intersection, those overlapping circles, or the the center of the star of David, where it's like, this is this is the birth of of humanity, and I I really believe that, you know, we're the envy of all the star nations and all of the angelic realms and all of the other realms. We have the widest breadth to make the widest variety of choices, to the absolutely most sensual experience you can imagine, to the absolutely most spiritual experience you can imagine. Pure apotheosis that we can experience here. Merger with merger with divinity, and also merger with radical carnality. And what a blessing, you know, this is this is worth fighting for. >> And I think they're they're really enamored of our courage to courage we display to accept the limitations as well of incarnation, you know, the kind of the vicissitude of everyday living. So, it's brought an appreciation of the courage we demonstrate in saying, "Sign me up for 3D." And at the same time, the kind of the appreciation of the extraordinary spectrum of experiences we can we can have as 3D beings. As you deny to the ETs. >> Yeah. >> I would say kind of they've worked out of their system. >> Yeah. >> Indeed. What a joy it is to be alive. >> Hallelujah, brother. >> I wouldn't choose another time, and I wouldn't choose another place. You know, this is it's it's wrought with challenges, and the challenges will continue, and uh you know, this this next chapter is about cleaning up the challenges within, so I can dedicate myself to being a salve and being a guide for the challenges that, you know, my daughter will face, my family will face, my beloveds will face, and the world will face. But uh, but it's it's time for me to take this take this desert seriously. And and deal with all of everything that's in my own house. So that I can really I can really stand strong and uh and be like, you know, be like the bamboo that can, you know, be blown almost till its tops are touching the ground and then when the wind stops snap back to upright. And that's uh that's my prayer. That's the type of dad I want to be. >> Bon voyage me brother. >> Thank you my brother. Thank you for everything. I love you brother. >> I love you. >> Yeah. >> Namaste. >> Namaste. Thank you everybody. Goodbye. >> Amen and thank you Ryan. >> Thanks for tuning in to this video. Make sure you hit subscribe, follow me at Aubrey Marcus, check out the Aubrey Marcus podcast available everywhere, and leave a comment. Let me know if this video resonated or what else you would like to hear from me in the future. Thank you so much.